No.10964[Last 50 Posts]
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>>10097Post shower thoughts or stuff that doesn't fit other threads.
No.10965
I hate how emotional I get when someone doesn't like the same series or characters as me. It's so childish to feel embarrassed and shut down when it happens.
No.10966
I may genuinely stop watching seasonal anime. There's stuff airing right now that I like but despite having a pretty cozy job it still feels like I don't have enough time to do everything I want and I find myself way more drawn to my gaming backlog while weekly episodes are piling up unwatched.
No.10967
Love the threadpic!
No.10968
>>10967Reminder that Kawoshin is canon! Canon!
No.10969
I've been feeling more and more like this lately towards blorbos
>>10968fuck yeah!
No.10970
I've read a translated fic from pixiv of a ship reincarnated, and they meet when the mastermind guy is 16 years old and the other guy is like 30 something. So the older guy "trains" the younger guy by playing with his nipples and all, it's pretty hot. But I realized I always clown on men who do that "100 year old in a loli body" bullshit, but I'm literally the same. I don't feel bad though.
No.10974
I'm trying to consider why I like the Shantae series even though I'm not usually into a franchise that so obviously has a waifu coomerbait element. I think in the end I don't mind it here cause the games go about it in a cutesy lighthearted way and that doesn't make me uncomfortable like the bath scenes in Persona 4 do for instance.
No.10976
>>10975 They are joking. Straights treat pegging as a quirky joke and not a real thing.
No.10977
>>10976In 99% of the cases I would agree, but knowing what Gerard Way is like, it wouldn't be that surprising
No.10982
>>10975>>10977This reminded me of something, this probably belongs in the confessions thread, but I had this RP scenario with a mutual of mine where she was Lindsay and Gerard's son and I was Gerard and of course we were SonDad where Gerard's taller and stronger jock son was fucking Gerard, she ended up trooning out and I sometimes wonder if it was my fault.
No.10984
>>10983>lolitaNow more than ever is the time to try sewing your own diy. I think there's scans online of JP lolita sewing books
No.10985
>>10984Thank you, anon. It's definitely the right step. I sew also, it's how I started out before I was able to buy brand. We'll have no other options then dusting off glb and otome no sews and making our own clothing for the most part. Lacemarket is down every other day, I'm not sure how long it will last.
No.10988
>>10983It's good you got your shipment on time. As an American also into EGL and collecting I feel like the tariffs have completely killed my hobbies too. I don't plan on buying anything for a while. Right now I have a small order with Neokyo (worth less than the 80 USD fee), and I don't know if I should try to have it shipped right away or hold out and hope everything is reversed soon…
No.10989
>>10988When the EU announced their GPSR bullshit I started malding because some indie merch makers stopped shipping to the EU but overal it's definitely not as bad as what's happening to US girlies now. My thoughts are with you.
No.10991
>>10989You just reminded me, maybe I should order more stuff from Mandarake now before it's too late and Europe tries to ruin things for me again.
No.10994
I think if I posted this on /rps/ people wouldn't see it in time but free stream of Charisma de Stage ~Okaeri~ at 9PM JST tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/@charisma_de_stThey delete the stream really fast after the video ends so there's no replay but it's HD and the live chat goes nuts. Okaeri adapts more episodes including cycling to the sea, Ohse's Christmas tree, and Amahiko's penis pressure problem, but it also has part-adlibbed variety games with voice actor guests and more original songs. The bluray recording has Fumiya's break, kind of wish it were Amahiko or Iori's because I think they go down better for newcomers.
Ashflow looks much better in the Festival stage, but the vocals were rushed and out of rhythm. Honestly the song only works if you're already invested in Fumiya as a character and even then you need the lyric booklet to catch most of the lines. RAT BAD END is truly the lyrical genius of our time. No.10996
>>10994Starting in 10mins!
No.10997
>>10983Mine made it in around the same time after sitting in dispatch for a week. It just left customs. This blows. One good thing about this country and it's gone. Wishing the best for all nonnas' packages.
>>10986NICE!
No.10998
My OTP are twins but I can always tell just from how the artist draws the faces which one is supposed to be the seme. And when it's my fave, he almost always looks less attractive than his canon on-model version. Or maybe I'm just not into that Nagatoro-looking squinty smile type of expression kek
No.10999
I need clowns falling in homo love.
No.11003
>>11001I think it's a fun and cute idea, but I'm not sure there's enough shotacons in the world to make it profitable. One can always hope, I suppose.
No.11010
According to fandom wiki Stony(Steve Rogers/Tony Stark), Spideypool(Spiderman/Deadpool) and Winter Widow(Bucky/Natasha) are the three most popular Marvel ships, I wonder if they'll be eclipsed with the rising marvel rivals ships, cause these are all from the MCU
No.11011
>>11010spideypool isn’t from MCU it’s from the comics. I don’t think it’s gonna happen either way
No.11013
>>11010Stucky not that popular? That's surprising. I always thought it was Steve's most popular ship. For the first two I see them unmovable, for the third I have a feeling it could be dethroned but we'll see. The only hetship I know that has stood the tides of time is dramione
No.11014
>>11010Steve and Tony were popular from before the mcu. There’s a ton of ultimates and other comic universe fanfic of them.
No.11026
>search necrophilia + yaoi on nhentai out of morbid curiosity
>11 results
>one of them is an osomatsu dj
New rule of the internet: If a fetish exists, there is an osomatsu doujin about it.
No.11028
>>11026Osomatsu gets the weirdest fucking doujins in general, I remember looking up beastiality on MFC just to spook myself and a couple of Osomatsu doujins came up.
No.11034
>>11026reminded me of that ososan dj where kara fucks himself with a magic onahole that’s connected to his ass while also getting fucked by two of his brothers. very creative tbh
>>11030name?
No.11040
>>11026ososan dj authors feel especially dedicated kek, I also see uke kara getting tormented all the time kek
No.11053
>>11005>though I'm allergic to gachaThat reminds me, lately I've been getting into pokemon again and having a good time playing some of the older 'definitive version' games that I originally skipped. However it's kinda wild how back in the day they had to remove the fake gambling starting in Platinum while in recent years it feels like pokemon spinoff games have been dying out in favour of mobile gacha/microtransaction slop.
No.11062
>>11061I fucking hate the idea that people "fell for" something. Literally nobody is reading Harry Potter for gay stuff they're shipping stuff they already enjoy. Maybe people would fall on the "time spent supporting indie queer artists" chart if that queer stuff was actually appealing. Yaoi of course doesn't fall on that chart because it's usually by straight women.
No.11063
>>11061>time spent supporting kweer indie artistsseems like this meme was made by someone on twitter with a superiority complex to shit on annoying shippers on twitter
No.11064
>>11058>current favorite character and favorite ship are stuck in a gacha Which gacha? I'm curious.
No.11067
>>11065Same, I love living in current times where media is more accessible than ever! Also I think that in general the standard of media literacy has only gone up, people love to harp on growing puritanism and people harping on authors for their political/social standings, but I think people forget that our standard for media "analysis" 15 years ago was Nostalgia Critic and TGWTGs dude bros screaming at a camera about children's movies for having a dark moment or some shit. Fandom psychoanalysts and general analysis now is much more common and I enjoy seeing other peoples perspectives even if I don't agree.
I don't really get deep into that labeling either (yume, hime, ect) so I think that helps I like yaoi, you like yaoi too? We're good.
No.11071
I just found out about r/MyBoyfriendisAI and my first thought was "Oh, this is the normie version of being a yume." But then I remembered yumes already have their own AI chatbots.
No.11074
>>11067>interspecies reviewers yaoiI wish the actual show was a yaoi show where they go around fucking hot monster boys and not thinly veiled hentai for men. Also that pic makes the human guy look way more attractive than he actually is.
No.11075
>>11074I actually like the human best since scruffy men appeal to me, but yeah wouldn't actually rec the series for yaoi content, still doesn't stop me from shipping them.
No.11076
>>11073Oh shit what a coincidence. I started playing limbus again just recently, fully caught up with the story now.
Who is your favorite that you are worried about?
Hong Lu has always been my favorite and I was satisfied with his story for the most part (even found a homo ship I enjoy with him), but I also started to like Gregor more and he feels very neglected which makes me a bit sad.
No.11077
>>11076meursault has been my favorite, but i feel like i'm thinking too hard about his novel, projecting unrealistic expectations onto limbus, and ruining my own fun.
hong lu's canto was very enjoyable to me but seeing how almost all the women weren't really explored, and how daiyu's role in hong lu's life was downplayed made me feel ominous about how marie will play into meur's canto, because she was a huge part of his novel but then project moon doesn't really adapt romance. it doesn't help that meursault doesn't get a lot of lines or screentime per canto, which is alright because he just isn't talkative, but he hasn't done anything huge since the heathcliff moment in canto 6 and the rest of his characterization is very easy to miss (uptie stories, egos, the french letters in the back of the checkup intervallo).
on a more fujo note i'm glad kjh keeps throwing heathcliff and meursault crumbs into the story.
No.11078
>>11077I'm very interested in meursault's canto but yeah, it's better to not expect it to resemble anything from the original book. I've been thinking recently about which books that inspired limbus I have read and realized that it didn't even register to me that Gregor is from the Metamorphosis which I read multiple times, because his story barely had anything to do with the original.
>and how daiyu's role in hong lu's life was downplayed made me feel ominous about how marie will play into meur's cantoI went into canto 8 blind (didn't know the original story or spoilers) and thought "I bet Daiyu was his love interest in the original", checked wikipedia later and turns out I was correct. I think Daiyu might get more focus in the future, she is the one Hong Lu seems to care about the most along with his little sister. PM does seem averse to romance and I think it's fine, for me the way they write love stories is very hit and miss. Loved Angelica and Roland, strongly disliked Heath and Cathy (just my personal taste).
>i'm glad kjh keeps throwing heathcliff and meursault crumbs into the story.My powerlevel is low, I didn't even notice kek. To me the interpersonal relationships between sinners feel dry, with very few exceptions.
No.11080
>>11079Kek, I get them. Satomi was pretty cute when he was younger and that specific setting can give so many ideas for doujins
No.11088
>>11079That's so funny. I would love to see what jp fujos in general think about the western fandom's puritan problem.
I think what's compelling about 3914 versus a lot of other questionable age gap ships is that Satomi controls the pace. I sort of wish karaoke/famires was more popular with EN but understand that it is a complete monkey paw scenario in 2025.
No.11089
>>11088>I would love to see what jp fujos in general think about the western fandom's puritan problem.They know and they think it's totally insane. Regular Japanese nerds read a huge thread written in English on tumblr about it that warned them about it, it was from 2023 iirc. Several of them have been harassed for shipping stuff or "you whitewashed this character so you're racist" stuff. When it comes to professionals I think the guy who made Trigun retweeted some of these tweets. And plenty of mangaka, game developers, anime studios, etc. have complained about being sometimes forced to adapt their works for an "international" audience but it's less from regular western fans and more from western companies so that's a bit different.
No.11099
>>11093Is that the start of the fic or a random part from the middle? I always wonder how anyone can get off to that really OTT transcribed doujin style smut where even the sound effects have hearts kek
No.11101
>>11099ngl as someone who has gone into pixiv and tried to read fanfic there more than half of it really is like this
No.11102
>>11093such beautiful nippongo prose
>>11101I think it depends on the fandom. I've found a good variety of stuff for mine. I kinda wish that AO3 became popular as an additional archive for Japanese authors because of the tagging system, like with Chinese people. But it makes sense that they would want to stick to their own websites.
No.11103
For anyone who's been on a bluesky, what's their thoughts on fujos? I don't often draw bl so I've got by far but still, it's becoming hard to find a presence online as more sites get shafted by censorship laws.
No.11104
>>11103A lot of the EN fujos over there are the annoying "unironically talking about 'his pussy'" types but otherwise there is no drama. The lion's share of the good yaoi is still on Twitter, however. I wish I could make more artists migrate because the tag system actually works and the mute/block features are much better.
However, bsky has recently updated its policies and artists are already side-eying the wording. I honestly think we're all going to have to suck it up and go to baraag at some point in the future. I hope by then there will be a fujo-only equivalent.
No.11105
>>11099I can't explain it but I just find retarded sex narration dialogue hot when I'm horny. It's from the middle.
No.11106
>>11104I respect free expression but I don't think baraag is the best place since I don't want my shit near loli porn. It still sucks, though. So many sites seem to hate artist doing as they please before they put the silencers on and get rid of any wrongthink in their platforms.
No.11107
>>11103in my fandom at least it's cozy, although i'd say a larger majority of asian fandom still prefers twitter. there are no locked accounts on bsky, either, so if you want to shittalk someone or a pairing it's less easy.
No.11108
>>11106Yeah that's why I have yet to even try to move over there and consider it a final resort. I don't like sharing space with art I can't even find aesthetically pleasing or feel like I could learn something from the artist and that is like 80% of the porn I see over there every time I peek in to see if it's gotten better.
No.11109
>>11107It's just, way too public for my taste. I have a nsfw alt for my risker stuff but there's some content I don't feel comfortable posting for a lot of reasons. The adult filters are great but I wish you could apply it to a whole account instead of a case by case basis.
No.11110
>>11105I get you, it works if I just need to fap to some fetish shit but it's a turnoff if I see it for a ship I like because then I want actually good quality IC writing.
No.11123
>>11121I'm still mad about how fast this happened to bkdk.
No.11124
>>11123I’ve noticed it being less frequent as of the ending of the manga at least
No.11125
>>11124That's good to hear. I'll revisit it some day and skim the cream off the top.
No.11126
>>11121My otp is like this, I'm sorry nonnas, I like this dynamic…
No.11127
>>11121isn't this inevitable in all fandoms lmao. anyway not even going to be polite about it this is louis (seme) and will (uke) from metaphor refanatzio and it's so stupid
No.11128
>>11126I like this type of pairing too but when in fandom it's done to characters who are nothing like that I get annoyed.
No.11129
>>11126there's no shame in liking this dynamic at all, I just posted this here because it was a funny meme
No.11130
>>11121Sone days I worry my ships return to picrel in my hands lol
No.11131
>>11128Yeah, like in the Promare fandom. I enjoy Galolio but there's Galolio works out there that turn Lio into an uwu princess because he's small even though in canon he's nothing like that.
No.11136
>>11135>goonettePlease stop with the tiktok speech, im glad this is a place where i barely see any of that
No.11137
>>11135do nonnas actually masturbate to thoughts of their otp?
No.11138
>>11135My otp doesn’t have much art and is pretty small in its fandom, so no I’m not loyal at all
>>11136Goonette is not the worst I’ve seen and sounds kinda cute ngl, but I would be happy if pooner can be deleted from every poster’s vocabulary due to its etymology.
No.11139
>>11137I don't personally, while in-character porn is good I've always been more into character studies and enjoying the interactions. If I'm going to get off to yaoi I'd rather read something original where straying into OOC-ness isn't a risk.
No.11140
>>11136i like it, its funny and cute
>>11137i do yeah. both the guys of my otp are exactly my type physically and in personality so it's an easy go-to
>>11138oh i see nona… as a fellow ship goonette, what do you look for in a ship for that to work?
No.11141
>>11139that's an interesting take nona. im picky with fics and porn too so i get where you're coming from. i can only enjoy fics that are well-written and in character, and i can only find the smut hot if in addition to that it also sprinkles at least a little of my kinks… so when it comes to my otp, i usually end up using other methods to get off
No.11142
>>11135I'm usually into the more popular m/m ship anyways so odds are I'm more likely to find in character content, so yes I am. Especially since multishipping has just turned into making a MC harem even for series that don't have the protag halo, and it pisses me off to see a canonically socially inept autist whose also said to be the least good looking who has been unable to talk normally to his love (for a girl) despite knowing her for years be made into some charismatic uke that for whatever reason no one can resist. That being said if an author has written decent enough content for my ship before, I'm more likely to give their other fics a try.
No.11143
>>11135No, because the internet gave me gross kinks I wish I could delete from my brain and they're the only thing that gives me the urge to fap. I don't want to ruin any character I actually know and like so I can only fap to random fandoms or ocs.
But depending on where my period cycle is sometimes ordinary smut does get me horny so maybe there's hope.
No.11144
>>11137Yes but I only get horny around ovulation anyway so it's rare. During that time I tend to think about my OTP but sort of… loosely, if that makes sense? I might read a fic or see art that is hot but I don't use it as masturbatory material then and there. I might reference it later and then make it more attuned to my tastes in my head.
No.11145
>>11140>goonette>funny and cuteSmells like groomcord but whatever
>>11137Is it weird to do so? If I find two characters erotic and their dynamic is good I'm going to masturbate to it.
No.11146
>>11145i don't think it's weird necessarily? but it's interesting to me that depending on what groups you hang out in sometimes talking about getting off to character porn is crossing a line.
No.11148
>>11145nona, it's just a word. it might be more strongly associated with online spaces you dislike, but ultimately it's not offensive and it's not even tiktok or groomscord or whatever exclusive slang
No.11150
>>11148nta, but honestly I can't think of "goon" anything without thinking of Something Awful, guess that shows my age lol.
No.11151
>>11150Same. I do like that they've lost "their" word to the cumbrain definition though. I will never forget how mean other goons were to weebs (me!) in the 00s.
No.11152
>>11140>what do you look for in a ship for that to work?There’s a lot of ships with similarish dynamics to my otp out there, the only downside is that most of them don’t have the exact configurations of my otp. Like another ship will have one aspect but not the other aspects. But even with just a little similarity, I’m happy.
>>11143>the internet gave me gross kinksMy all time favorite kink is sadly really unpopular it seems so I have to take what I can get. I have another kink I really like and it’s thankfully pretty popular with my otp.
No.11153
>>11147agreed but there are a subset of fujos that seem to have a mindset along the lines of, "i would never desecrate or demean my favorite characters by thinking about them fucking because i only care about them in true, meaningful ways!"
as if the two thoughts can't coexist at the same time
No.11154
>>11153This is so bizarre to me because surely if they’re your otp, you’d have to have thought of them fucking at least once?Or at least some intimate soft core scenes.
No.11155
>>11143Why do you think that this would ruin a character? The moment you've stopped the thoughts no longer exist. Enjoy what makes you fap and try not to think too much on it.
>>11144>Yes but I only get horny around ovulation anyway so it's rare.I didn't believe this was real until I made a masturbation diary. I don't know if it's accurate to say that I masturbate more during ovulation, but when I do it's quicker and easier.
No.11156
>>11155>Why do you think that this would ruin a character?NTA but I get it. If your otp is more vanilla like destiel, then it’d be hard to imagine dean or castiel doing something extreme like necro, torture, kidnapping, etc. Some ships just aren’t suited for certain kinks.
No.11157
>>11138>My otp doesn’t have much art and is pretty small in its fandomFunny that you say that because that's what happens with my OTP too but I actually am loyal to it so I have to make comissions of them. If I can't draw at least I'll pay someone for it.
>>11153This happens to me with SOME characters, but with others I want them gagged and raped and destroyed. It really just depends. Some characters I just can't think of sexually (I'm not opposed to seeing fanart that happens to be nsfw if I see it).
I often find myself in this dilemma
>>11156 that some ships I DO like, just kinda don't have ways to actually fuck without it coming off even if at least ooc. I know all fanworks are ooc to some extent, some people go "fuck it" and write it/draw anyway but I just can't do that. I can't just plop characters into a modern AU and call it a day.
Actually, this happens so much in the Orb fandom where 90% of works are AU. I mean, I get it and it's fun, but something about Badeni being a chaste priest in his canon is a little more appealing than average normal guy No.11158
>>11157>comissionsI honestly forget this is an option. I don’t use socmed for fandoms outside of ao3 so I’m not even sure how I would go about commissioning art for them.
No.11159
>>11157>This happens to me with SOME characters, but with others I want them gagged and raped and destroyed.are you more attached emotionally to the characters that you *don't* want to see fucked up? or is it just that there are no in-character scenarios that allow them to get that way?
i've been trying to understand why some people think like this if they aren't opposed to that content in general. i enjoy seeing all my favorites raped/tortured/etc., just on a purely selfish and horny level
No.11162
>>11155>Why do you think that this would ruin a character?Because I already know from past experience. I learned that shit a long time ago and it has 100% ruined fandoms/characters for me. I have plenty of kinks that I'm cool with and happy to make content for, it's just the specific ones I hate that hit the 'time to fap now' button in my subconscious. Who the fuck knows why.
No.11163
>>11135I'm impressed by your loyalty to your OTP but I will get turned on by any fantasy that turns me on kek. Characters I ship are a definite bonus though.
>>11136No hate to the OP at all but goon / gooner just annoys me because people label anything from suggestive material to just masturbating as gooning. An annoying label. Masturbating and having sexual desires and fantasies is normal despite what some on LC may think.
>>11153>>11157>>11159I love my favs so much that I do want to see them destroyed as the ultimate form of fan love. But they're all happy in my head, and the version where they get destroyed is an alternate scenario.
No.11164
>>11162probably because you hate them/feel shame and guilt around them. i used to feel the same way about some kinks i had and after i embraced them emotionally instead of feeling bad, they literally disappeared over the course of a few months lol
No.11166
>>11162Do you want to apply these kinks to the characters you like and are holding back from doing so? I'm not meaning to sound judgemental and you ultimately know what makes you happy the best, but I do not see any harm being done by indulging in kinks privately.
>>11163The word sounded like silly fun to me at first but now I wouldn't use goon if only to avoid associating with the other people that use it. Now I need some other word to describe overactive masturbation.
No.11167
>>11163saging my post because it's irrelevant to the discussion.
i think gooner/gooning is mostly used ironically tbh, like it's considered a haha funny word. in the few instances where i saw it being used in an actual denigratory way, it was deserved, such as zombiefied men with porn addictions that warped their views of sex and women and made them potentially dangerous individuals. even then, the men calling them that way seemed to have more of a sense of camaraderie and misplaced endearment towards the guy than anything
No.11168
>>11164Yeah, no amount of emotional introspection is going to make me stop being disgusted by literal deviantart-tier cringe fetish shit. All I can be glad for is that whatever shitty diceroll decides your mental issues at birth didn't decide to make me a scatfag.
>>11166>Do you want to apply these kinks to the characters you like and are holding back from doing so?If I happen to run into such content by accident of a character I like, it's a conflict between lizard brain that wants to fap in the moment and rational brain that is grossed out. Just awkward and uncomfortable overall. But no, I don't want to see it and I don't want to write it. I wouldn't write it as origfic either.
No.11169
I loveee thinking about my otp fucking, I daydream about it constantly, but I never feel the urge to get off. It's like emotional masturbation to me. I just cannot get off to pornography that doesn't involve women. Is that weird?
No.11170
>>11169>It's like emotional masturbation to me.This is how it is for me but I don't get off to porn period.
>>11165I hate this type of person but I will defend their right to be annoying online.
No.11172
>>11171I thought that regular jacking off was fapping and gooning was when you'd fap so much and so hard like a porn addict your brain would rot, that it was an advanced form of masturbation but now fapping has been replaced by gooning altogether
No.11173
>>11169Not weird, you like women. Some of us can do both but it's not going to be for everyone.
>>11172>advanced form of masturbation I'm stealing this for future use.
No.11175
>>11138I dislike both just because I hate how they sound, lol. But like other nona, it's probably my age. I don't like all the words ending in -ie these days either, because it sounds like baby talk.
Does normie want to go for walkies? Yes he does, yessh he doooess…>>11143>>11168I get what you mean, nona. I'm not in the same situation exactly, I do let my mind indulge a little, but once a month my brain loses its standards for my embarrassing fetishes and will imagine shit I am deeply ashamed of. The worst part is I daydream long plot situations about characters I like, and my fetishes will worm their way in quite easily and ok, I can let some of it slide. Then bam, it goes TOO fucking silly and I think I need to backtrack this story and pretend that never happened or I can never tell this story to another soul in my entire life. The real problem is that part of me is proud of the things my brain invents and wants to share them, but when you're super zonked with exhaustion or cramps, my personal judgement dies.
>>11172True story, I was in a discord server with a guy who was a self proclaimed gooner. He treated it like a life style choice and told stories about using multiple PC screens to have porn videos playing at all hours, day and night, to overstimulate himself while he wrote self insert fiction about himself fucking a prostitute Miku clone from the planet Zod. Even the other men in the server thought he was a mad degenerate but kept voting not to kick him because his deranged ramblings were entertaining. He was desensitized to a point that he didn't seem to know what was normal or not to talk about with strangers in a sfw channel, and whenever he didn't talk about porn or fapping he would go into rants about real women destroying society so spiritual connection to anime through dick was the only option.
Until that I didn't realize people took the word's meaning seriously. I thought it was just an accusation aimed at anime fanboys with too many titty retweets. I wonder what he does now the word has spread.
Also while typing this I realized that in many cases it could have just been called Solo Competitive Edging.
No.11179
I'm not someone who demands realism in gay anime porn, but certain touches of realism balanced with fantasy make the brst BL imo. I get especially annoyed when the seme sticks his dick into an unlubricated asshole. Even worse if it's during noncon or something. Can he at least spit on his dick and show the uke magically getting lubricated with yaoi juice? Idk why this bothers me so much but I always feel obligated to research everything for my own writing.
No.11183
>>11175>Then bam, it goes TOO fucking silly and I think I need to backtrack this story and pretend that never happened or I can never tell this story to another soul in my entire life. Have you ever tried? I believe we are all like this but no one wants to be the person to embarrass themselves first. I'm lucky that I have friends that know and accept that I am going to overshare every detail of what I am getting off to.
No.11187
I know multishippers have the mentality of "wow!! two cakes!!" when it comes to a character but for me it's anything but that. I'm a baker with my humble bakery, my bakery is my business and i'm doing my best. If another bakery is next to mine and is more sucessful and steals my customers, then what was my work for? This is why I don't understand multishippers.
>>11179I can turn my brain off if I simply imagine the precum slick is slippery enough to work as pseudo-lube. It won't, but it's "good enough"
No.11189
>>11187I'm not sure I understand your analogy. Maybe for the fave uke x anyone type of fujo? Sometimes a character just has chemistry with more than one guy, so you ship both ships. And even if you are inclined to ship a fave with any guy who gets near him it doesn't mean you'll like every possible ship for him. I still have NOTPs and OTPs in my most multishippy fandoms.
No.11191
>>11187Maybe the bakery next door offers a cake with a different texture and flavor than yours. Maybe both are good.
No.11195
>>11170>but I will defend their right to be annoying online.They'll do it whether you defend them or not, just don't expect them to defend you in return.
No.11199
>>11197Samefag
>>11198The yaoi part is mentioned under that quote
stupid flood detection and stupid waiting time No.11203
>>11183Nona, even I don't find it hot when my hormones sober up. It's deeply OOC brainrot that drastically changes characters' body types and the entire focus of the story.
No.11213
>>11197>>11198>>11200pretty sure google auto-translated bishounen and ikemen as twinks
No.11235
>>11234their jannies are retarded
No.11240
>>11194Late reply but I'm a frog. I like my OTP in all ways but as long as they're together. I don't like seme/other character or other character/uke. Most of the fans of the seme like him with someone else and it bothers me (the seme character is more popular than the uke) because the majority of his ships with other characters are ooc garbage, so I wouldn't want someone to just like my OTP and treat it as just "another cake to eat" similar to all other ships with said character
No.11258
Where do nonnies here get their pictures? Do y’all use twitter or pixiv, or both?
No.11261
>>11260>PoipikuI admire your ability to solve shipping riddles and math problems.
No.11262
>>11261I haven't been subjected to anything too super esoteric
yet, thankfully. Worst one thus far was trying to find when the artist shared the password among their around 12k+ posts and having negative luck with the search function.
No.11274
>>11272I know the feeling. My first thought was batjokes. I'm probably mistaken though
No.11280
>>11274Not batjokes, but it's so much hotter if Batman takes it up the ass, easily.
No.11287
>>11280I agree simply because Joker is too much of an ugly bastard to be uke
No.11288
>>11274>>11287>>11280I'm going against the grain, Batman needs to correct his rogue gallery with a good fucking, dubcon preferred.
No.11290
>>11280I read a fic where Slade got to fuck him and all his Robins in the ass, pretty hot
>>11288Gordon please…
No.11295
I can't comprehend being a capeshit fujo. Most moids in those genres aren't even hot or the thought of them being sexy just ruins my childhood memories of them. It's weird because characters like gambit, nightwing, and winter soldier are hot under the right angles but most moid artist make them ugly on purpose. Something like that superman show almost made superman hot to me,but ultimately, it's just not that genre where hot men are abundant.
No.11297
>>11295I've shipped things you nonnas wouldn't believe, I can't comprehend shipping characters based on their attractiveness. I'm not attracted to any of them. I'm attracted to their love
No.11298
I need to make some kind of script to redirect sites i dont want to use to here instead and also, iI feel like drawing gyaku ryona for 30 min today.
No.11300
>>11297You do you nonna. Don't let a shallow whore like me who likes bl because I like men being hot and horny deter you from your taste.
No.11301
Just curious, what are some of the worst attempts at fujo-pandering in anime? I feel like people complain about it all the time but I can’t actually think of good examples
No.11302
>>11301Boueibu has been bad overall since Season 3 but that includes the fujobait. Latest feels really paint-by-numbers but it probably doesn't help that the cast is the worst so far and they keep copying and pasting the Atsushi and Kinshiro dynamic, which was originally good, without doing anything interesting with it.
No.11303
Over the past few months, I've noticed that many Eastern European artists are increasingly focusing on politics. They've stopped posting their art and are now posting about politics full-time. There's one Ukrainian who I'm mutuals whose relatives were killed in a bombing. She not only stopped posted but also deleted all her fandom fandom tweets and removed all her art. Now she dedicates her entire account to politics. It's frankly depressing, but I kinda get it. It's like there's a war in your country going on and you can't just ignore it.
No.11304
>>11297i feel the same way. I dont think theres a right or wrong way to go about shipping though
No.11305
>>11301Didn't Bucchigiri flop real bad because it failed whatever pandering it attempted?
No.11307
>>11306Truth nuke. It's laughable seeing some women call fujoshis male-centered cocksuckers or whatever when fujo spaces are the most men and male gaze free spaces on the internet
No.11308
>>11306I legit thought I was lesbian because all the moids around me looked like used up pieces of toilet paper but the girls I knew would simp for them so often that it was all they talked about. Once I reached my 20s, I started to realize I did like men but they're not the moids people peddled as hot. I wouldn't say yoai was the reason but it did make me realize I was straight, just fed a lie that women couldn't be visual, horny, nor indulgent towards the male form. It still saddens me some will never peak out of their pickme haze, only double down in their pandering to the male gaze.
The men I do find hot, that's another story which would get me socially ostracized in a lot of spaces. No.11309
>>11306I just don't get how normie girls can obsess over fashion when all their shit looks exactly the same
>black crop top>skinny jeans>fugly juicy bag from 20 years ago No.11311
>>11305Yeah, Bucchigiri fell flat on its face because everyone across the board hated the protagonist so much that it was hard to root for him and thus for the story and the fujobait between him and the deuteragonist. I'm not kidding when I say I had to drop the entire series because of him.
No.11313
>>11312That makes no sense. How can something created by women for other women be called male gaze? It can try to imitate it, but it's female gaze by default. Trying to define it by how much body it shows or whatever would be relying on things that are entirely subjective
No.11314
>>11313it's just the official definition.
male gaze is not about who the product is for or who it was made by, it's an approach to how a character is represented. when you represent a character by sexualizing his or her body, you're operating from what has been officially defined in media studies as male gaze.
it is not implying that as a woman you can't enjoy a man or a woman being depicted in an objectified way though, it's just what the women that were studying media back in 1970 noticed as a strong trend when it came to male directors whenever a woman was on screen.
female gaze is associated with when a character, male or female, becomes attractive to the audience, male or female, by virtue of what they are doing and what that reveals about their personality and worldviews.
so semi-naked closeups of male/female characters on screen = male gaze
a guy or a girl who beats up the bad guys and then says somethijg like "no one messed with my friends" = female gaze
these are academic definitions that arent really up for debate in what they mean. what one can and should argue about is how they seemingly imply that both genders arent able to enjoy both types of fanservice. i wouldnt hold it against the women who first explored these terms though since it was a different time and they were among the first to openly criticize how overwhelmingly male-oriented pieces of media were. it was the first step to popularize sexy guys on screen too and the reverse for women (actual characters with depth instead of pin-ups)
No.11316
>>11314Ok, I understand what you're saying now. I didn't know there were studies done on this. I agree, both genders can create and enjoy content for both of these types, so it feels weird to see the words "male" and "female" used to define them. There should be a word used for media made by women for women, it's a huge part of what makes yaoi so unappealing. I like how Japanese has many words to differentiate between genres made by/for each gender
No.11317
>>11316appealing*, dumb typo
No.11319
>>11314But what about fanservice of the type that pretty much only women are into, like closeups on hands or forearms or that kind of shit.
No.11322
>>11312The only one scene where Gojo is somewhat shirtless and Mappa milked it out for all its worth with all the merchs and Okinawa collabs, it's cracking me up.
No.11323
>>11312>>11314Unless the definitions have changed drastically since I got my degree in the 2010s, no. That's not what those terms mean. Where did you get this from? Is it a particular writer?
No.11325
>>11321Thoughts on Dash/Danny?
No.11326
>>11295As someone who loves capeshit, I will say the appeal is the sheer variety of material, as well as the hundreds of AUs that exist for your own personal setting
>>11280>>11274>>11280Batjokes is interesting because they've been written them with homoerotic tension for decades with popular series from Alan Moore and Frank Moore, but it was the Telltale version of Batman and the Joker that truly launched Batjokes. Then the Lego Batman Movie literally made it the main focus of the film, and it's been going strong ever since. The reason Batman is the top and Joker and the bottom is because they fit the feminine "sissy" villain and stoic masc hero dynamic that has been present in media for decades.
No.11327
>>11325Pretty gay, need to rewatch Danny Phantom myself at certain point tho if/when I get the chance. Is it hotter to imagine Danny as uke or having power loss / role reversal with Dash as uke (not necessarily with Danny seme)? That's normally how my fujobrain works.
>>11326>Lego Batman Movie literally made it the main focus of the filmlooks like Lego Batman is on the menu for me now sisters
No.11328
>>11327These are the relevant scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2ESMV1Pc0>That's normally how my fujobrain works.How does it work, because I always refer to Dash/Danny as a typical seme/uke relationship and I totally shipped them when I was younger
No.11329
>>11327>looks like Lego Batman is on the menu for me now sistersIt's pretty overtly gay to the point where I felt a little weird watching it in theater with the family lol. Not my favorite take on Batman, but if you only care about Batjokes you'd probably like it.
No.11331
>>11326I used to ship them because of telltale and lego too kek, both versions are really cute. I like it when the ship itself is really fucked up, but there's also a weird cute and fluffy side to it
>>11327nta, but I highly recommend it! For me it was my favorite batman adaptation out there lol. But I'm also a fake capeshit fan who hasn't read any of the comics
No.11335
It's peak internet how people are sexualising a videogame bug lady who looks like a stick figure under her cloak but they're doing it by drawing her body as a regular human woman wearing skintight spandex.
No.11336
>>11335Extremely online, I hope gen alpha kids who ship shit like Poppy Playtime find anime Jesus some day too, it can't be healthy to be exclusively attracted to that.
No.11337
>>11335Happens to all female characters and Hornet is a cutie.
I finished the game today, wish gay bugs had more content but it's just a few lines, not that I'd ship them but still.
No.11340
>>11334in the dark fics, he is mentioned alongside Barbara and the other people joker's killed, when Batman hatefucks him
No.11343
The official list of fudanshis currently
>Trey and Matt
>Robert Eggers
>Hidekaz Himaruya
>Kazutaka Kodaka
Feel free to add
No.11347
>>11344It's something I've considered getting into for a while but I'm the type of person who has difficulty planning out time to watch things while also juggling videogames. The info is good to know, though. I'll add that to my list.
No.11349
>>11337>cutieit's a stick figure with two empty sockets for eyes, I mean people are just imagining things at this point kek
No.11351
>>11332Thanks for reccing it anon it's a good show and I never heard of it before despite it being my type of thing even without the fujo aspect.
I love how they made the Groaner and Saturn into a legit subplot, the Halloween special was hilarious too.
I'm surprised they didn't even do one jew joke with Robobot in the lawyer episode, what a missed opportunity No.11352
>>11349Nah Hollow Knight and by extension Hornet are cute but more in a "I want plushies" of them way than a fuckable way. Granted I ship Looney Tunes characters so judging this would be like throwing stones in a glass house haha. Good games, played the original in prep for Silksong and it's very atmospheric, love the OST.
No.11353
>>11347nta but be wanted, the fandom is both small and infested(and I mean infested) with tifs and enbies, it's the worst of both worlds
No.11354
The more I get deeper into Uma the more I strongly believe that it could've been the biggest fujo revolution of our time if the horses were kept male.
I read some of the horse irl lore and think to myself "this could've been such great BL"
No.11355
>>11351I watched it back when it was airing and the Halloween special made me go "holy shit", gay characters used to be much rarer and I didn't expect them to take their subplot seriously, let alone for it to be an examination of how they are perfect for each other because they're both the exact same type of obsessive weirdo when it comes down to it.
No.11356
>>11353Are you serious? Lupin III of all things??? I know the main cast is mostly male but I recall one of the main guys disliking women so I figured the zoomers wouldn't like this cause it's ~problematic~.
No.11357
>haven't watched any videos about Western convention drama in a while
>always fun because I don't know shit about Western media franchises and their fandoms
>"people behaving badly at romantasy cons" video
>oh boy!
>women are sexually assaulting the husbands of "dark romantasy" authors on the insistence that they must be into noncon irl because their wife wrote about it in a book about fucking a forest yeti
What the fuck.
No.11361
>>11357LMAOO please link the video this is hilarious
No.11362
>>11357Seeing things like these happen I still stand by the fact that the worst behaved "yaoi fangirls" of the 00's and early 10's con cringe compilations were actually deranged self inserters who got so into it because they were ~literally~ the character and not actual fujos.
No.11364
>>11357Please link that video because I swore a friend of mine mentioned it once. It's rainfurrest all over again.
No.11365
>>11357Covid confinement turned everyone into absolute retards and organizers are too cheap to get actual security.
No.11366
>>11362Con people in general seem to be like this, I guess the general culture encourages it?
No.11367
Somehow I only just found out that Pixiv has groups. Is anyone familiar with them? It seems like it might be a bit of a dead feature, as I only found one group for my favorite characters and no specific ship-dedicated ones, with only 23 members (they aren't rare faves). Maybe there are others that aren't public? I wonder if it's even worth trying to make my own in the hopes of getting even one other person on board?
No.11368
>>11361>>11364Shit, I do my guilty viewing in a private window so I don't have the exact vid in my history, but the convention involved was "Sinners and Stardust". That should get you a bunch of videos.
>>11365The scary part is that it didn't look cheap from the video clips. I think it's that the romantasy girls weren't raised in the nerd fandom crowd where we always got warnings about not behaving in a way that feeds into bad stereotypes. None of us wanted to be gross nerd creeps like in cartoons so we tried acting cautious, but they think they're normal and whatever they do is just having fun. It sounds like some of them treat convention parties like a nightclub, but unlike a nightclub you can't just go to the next one down the road if they kick you out. You have to take responsibility for your actions.
>>11362I think the 00s and early 10s were the first time many weebs actually met irl for fandom stuff, so it was a crazy learning curve for a ton of dumb hormonal teenagers. These women involved in the current drama are much older so they have no excuses.
No.11374
>>11303did she draw Transformers Yaoi? cause I think I know who your talking about
No.11378
>>11357Why am I not surprised at all this was a dark romance con?? Anti-fujos accuse fujos of not being able to separate fantasy from reality when shit like this happens. You don’t see fujos groping or assaulting irl gay men.
>>11368> I think it's that the romantasy girls weren't raised in the nerd fandom crowd where we always got warnings about not behaving in a way that feeds into bad stereotypes.Romance as a genre has always been a ghetto and unlike SF/fantasy or furries, it hasn’t had decades of an established con culture so I can give organizers some benefit of the doubt. If they were more experienced, they would’ve have the foresight to enact guard rails to prevent inappropriate behavior. There was also an instance where someone whipped out a strap-on and someone else started fellating it in public and no one had the sense to stop them. Furries have had decades to perfect their con culture and you end up with spectacles like Rainfurrest, whereas I’m assuming the average romantasy fan is more normie and so probably better socially integrated. So in short, I think the organizers are mostly to blame.
No.11380
>>11357I wish you remembered which video it is, I want to watch it. This topic reminds me of this video I watched recently about a con about Western TV shows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpOEfNYEhrg No.11386
>>11385I like traps because I like the idea of a guy falling in love with someone he thought was a girl only to actually be "trapped" and have to deal with that internal mental struggle. Very melodramatic I know.
Otherwise it's the same as any other character where I like them I'll ship them, I prefer the character to act more typically masculine and have a gap-moe appeal, but if they're fun enough like Astolfo I can deal with more cutesy characters.
>I don't really consider it BLSome of it falls under the BL umbrella some of it doesn't. Generally I think you can tell when a fanwork has been written for a male or female demographic, 90% of western trap works are squarely aimed at men though.
No.11388
For me personally I don't care if the boy's character design is girly cause in the end as long as he has a dick and balls and no boobs he's just a boy so it counts as BL when he's paired with a guy.
>>11386>I like traps because I like the idea of a guy falling in love with someone he thought was a girl only to actually be "trapped" and have to deal with that internal mental struggle.Same. I watched Hibari-kun because it was advertised to me as the origin of this whole concept and Kousaku's gay panic was fun. I should read the manga at some point.
No.11393
>>11382I thought they were a married couple
No.11395
>>11388It bugs me when Tokiyuki is put in the same category as traps because he's just a typical male of his age for the time period and literal shotas are more androgynous by default. I guess they are bringing back the grand old tradition of lusting over wakashu.
No.11396
>>11385I tend to avoid trap stuff that's aimed at a male audience, aka flat-chested anime girl with deeper voice and a dick slapped on.
I like cross-dressing when in BL when it's cute or the guy looks male. I love feminine men and adorable outfits. I also like it when the guy is forced to cross-dress. Maybe slightly degenerate but I realized last night that I like it when the uke is fucked by a cross-dressing seme in certain situations kek.
>>11388tokiyuki is supposed to be like canonically 8 or 9, not a fucking trap. shuji is straight up just a dude too kek.
No.11398
I've been watching Sherlock Holmes-inspired anime for years now but I finally started reading the complete Sherlock Holmes collection and right off the bat this entire premise sets off my fujodar. Two men moving in together and one of them is an eccentric with questionable habits and the other guy is more traditionally-minded and wants to understand the first guy even while insulting his oddball opinions and ways of thinking.
No.11399
>>11385I don't consider it BL unless
>the boy is at least shown as a normal boy once like >>11394>boy still looks considerably masculine in some aspects If not, then it's obviously for men.
For some reason, the trap fantasy is more of a male-oriented thing I have no idea why. It's more so for bisluts/bicurious guys who aren't willing to go full homo "I love men" but want something that still looks like a woman without dealing with an actual woman.
In practice, it can make for some cute BL but it's usually never done for that purpose.
>>11395I hate when people put traps and shotas as the same thing. Shotas can look more effeminate that's true, but they're not otokonoko by default
No.11400
>>11398Some fans from when Doyle was still writing Sherlock Holmes stories already had headcanons about either Sherlock or Watson secretly being a woman and both of them being secret lovers to justify all the accidental fujobait in these books. Have fun!
No.11401
>>11400It's so interesting to consider fandom of that era but I guess some things never change.
No.11402
>>11395to be fair tokiyuki is intentionally designed to lean more androgynous. nagisa is also like this. tokiyuki’s post time skip design also has way girlier hair that doesn’t really fit the time period.
>>11394I love this manga! cool guy smitten with a loser guy is always good
>>11385I still count it as technically BL since it’s still two guys. the vibe can be extremely different when it’s a male author but that honestly can be said about male written romance manga in general. When it’s a female author it usually reads the same as any other BL
No.11403
>>11402>I still count it as technically BL since it’s still two guysSo do you consider bara BL? I don't know what the technicalities of the term are but I use BL for gay stuff written by women for women. So stuff like traps, muscles, ect are case by case for me.
No.11404
>>11388I've never heard of Hibari-kun and your description of it sounded funny, so I looked it up on wiki and it is so TRA'ed that it's hard to read.
I dislike most crossdressing/trap stuff because I find the outfits ugly. You can say a lot of things about Okane ga nai, but at least Ayase had a (now dated) distinct fashion sense. I think the division between bl with crossdressing and weird trap stuff aimed at men is how fashionable the crossdresser is.
No.11406
>>11403>I use BL for gay stuff written by women for women. So stuff like traps, muscles, ect are case by case for me.I’m the same way! that’s why I said only “technically”. I think more than the character’s appearance or the author’s gender the defining point of BL for me is target demographic. BL had to be made for women or at the very least for a general audience. works made solely with men in mind are not BL.
>>11405this is honestly the best mindset. I strive to be this unbothered
No.11408
>>11385I love otokonoko like your picrel but some of the really popular ones like Astolfo are just ugly imo. I don't generally think they're BL though.
>>11403 has the right idea
No.11411
>>11410Shotus Reversus is peak and the best type.
No.11413
>>11410They should’ve added Satoru to the shotus reversus section.
No.11424
There was an drawing posted here or elsewhere of a guy getting raped in front of a girl or his presumed crush which triggered something in me. Noncon is even better when it's public ot the victim's friends or whatever are forced to watch.
No.11432
>>11410This classification should be made into a chart / list with classics like Ciel and Hanako. Pit, Sora, and other video game characters are good Schrodinger's. What are some other honorary shotas though? kek
No.11433
>>11432I would like to include Loki with the de-aged shotas. And yeah a chart would be nice, we need shota autist to make one
No.11434
>>11410maybe i'm retarded but why is scott an honorary shota?
No.11435
>>11434imo the artstyle of the comic is shota-adjascent, and his personality is very immature
No.11437
>>11434>>11435I think Scott also looks younger than the other guys in the comic barring one of the other guys. Kinda like how the shota option in a lot of Otome games are legally by all means not a shota, but compared to the other options, clearly meant to be a shota.
No.11439
>>11438and if we go further back, the progenitor of all shotas were Japanese schoolgirls doing plays
No.11440
>>11435>>11437>>11434IMO Young Neil is the shota
-adjacent option for the series Scott is too much of a manchild for me to see him as actually child-like. That being said Brian Lee O'Malley's artsyle is super cute so I see the appeal.
No.11441
>>11440He said himself that Neil was going to be a little boy but he changed it.
No.11448
If an artist always places complete focus on the uke on their ship art/nsfw art in which literally the seme is never visible aside from their dick, I assume they're either a self-inserter or they wish to fuck the uke themselves.
I hate this type of artist, even if they draw a ship I like. Why are BOTH not visible, why only the uke?
No.11451
>>11448It's kinda like how, in straight porn and hentai. the man is barely visible. He's just a floating dick for the audience to insert over. In the case of BL, I'm assuming its yume behavior considering the audience is 99% women.
No.11453
I wish tactics was actually good
No.11455
>>11453The manga or the FF game?
No.11456
>>11455The manga. I think about Haruka x Kantaro all the time but the story bores me so much.
No.11459
>>11456I remember being pretty into the plot myself and the mystery around the oni sealed in Haruka (?) which was just starting to be revealed, but then it went on forever-hiatus and was being continued on Pixiv iirc. What didn't you like in the story? With all the soap opera constantly going on with random villains of the week always trying to badtouch Haruka I found it hard to get bored.
No.11463
I'm trying to save money because the economy keeps getting worse and I developed bad habits, and when it comes to entertainment it became very easy. I check new releases for manga I like and there's almost nothing interesting or sequels are released so slowly I have no idea when they will be released in Japan, let alone where I live. I don't spend a cent on subscriptions except for the library. I have almost all the video games I want and I'm waiting for my company to give me yet another gift card for Christmas to buy the very few ones I want on consoles. I've already stopped consooming merchs.
No.11467
I wish there were more stories with fake dating but not between the end couple. Rather A and B start fake dating because A wants to make C jealous and the endgame is still A and C. I feel like usually fake dating ends with the fake datees being endgame, but sometimes I just want C to feel jealous and still have his happy ending.
No.11473
>>11463relatable, the economy is just so fucking shit, my boyfriend and I had to sell almost everything we own, we barely have time for our own hobbies, damn I wish I could have had a fujo in the 2000s and 2010s
No.11477
I love the long posts nonas make on here. It's nice to see people write so much about stories they enjoyed, hated, etc. This is really the only imageboard (or website for that matter) I go onto and expect to see something I genuinely enjoy reading (when we're not getting spammed with CP). I wish I still had stuff to contribute, but I don't have much time to do, play, or read anything these days.
No.11479
>>11477I always wish I was more eloquent in typing, I really admire the nonnas who can effortpost about their favorites and people who can write ship manifestos.
No.11484
I finished drawing porn I worked on over the past couple days, fell asleep, woke up, looked at it, and it looks awful. I hate being a beg drawfag because now I feel even more self conscious of my fetishes. But I also have to feed myself and make the very specific material I want to see. Why.
No.11486
>>11484You will get better eventually, just enjoy the process and keep drawing as many things that you like as possible.
No.11487
>>11484don't give up drawing nona, i know you can do it!