No.9440
Rivals to lovers is boring and feel like the lazy ship choice most of the time.
No.9445
>>9441Robots with assholes make no sense unless they're sexbots. Not that it's the only way to be uke but the mainstream BL audience isn't wireplaypilled.
No.9446
>>9442I've seen more and more people online say Clear should have been uke </3
No.9447
>>9445>Robots with assholes make no sense unless they're sexbots.But robots with penises do????
>>9441Extremely based.
No.9448
>>9446A couple of people misremember him being an uke which I don't really get because of his bad end and parts of his dick flaking off into Aoba's asshole in his good end.
I suppose dumb semes are kinda underrated because of that.
No.9449
>>9447>But robots with penises do????True, they don't, but I feel like either way if you have one LI in a BL game who can't fuck traditionally it'll sadly filter the majority of people.
No.9450
>>9447>But robots with penises do????with robo-jizz too…
>>9448the bad ending was so fucking hot
No.9455
>>9440I got bored of it for a long time but now I'm back on my bullshit. I think the more mundane a rivalship, the less interesting it is. If there's another element to add spice, like they're also enemies or brothers or something, it gets better.
When I think of rivalships I consider top quality, they're pretty much all enemies or started as enemies…
No.9456
>>9438Probably not that unpopular (at least not here, maybe) but what I've thought has been:
>Hypermasc semes and shy uguu ukes have always been shit. >"Fuck canon" isn't a good mindset to have if you completely ignore everything the character stood for. If you headcanonize a character so much that they no longer resemble anything of the original, did you ever like that character at all?>Simultaneously, being a hardass over canon and canonicity is also annoying. Not everything needs to be canon, not everything needs a "erm this character cannot fuck another character because he's canonically married to a woman" or dumb shit like that. Canonhomofags are the worst.>I fucking hate threesome ships and specially polyships where the only reason why there's a third character involved it's only so they can get humilliated and cucked. >Actually polyshipping in general is dogshit>People need to stop sucking off eastern artists because they have the most retarded lowkey misogynistic takes too on shipping. Some of them have moid tier coombrain logic and try to apply it to BL No.9457
>>9443its a little sad that hes the only nitro chiral shota, he was so cute
No.9458
>>9456>Actually polyshipping in general is dogshitI also think it's garbage. The only time I've ever been convinced that a polyship was the way to go was in a fanfic with bodyswapping involved that resulted in a lot of crossed wires for the characters, but I think the story would've been even better if they hadn't all ended up in a poly relationship anyway because at least two of the relationships made no sense and one of them was clearly just a sexual relationship.
>they have the most retarded lowkey misogynistic takes too on shippingI agree. I think at least the Japanese fujos have gotten better at not being retarded about gender roles in recent years, but it's still there. Chinese and Korean fujos are absolutely overrun with it though.
No.9460
>>9456>I fucking hate threesome ships and specially polyshipsDifferent reasons to you anon. They're usually used as a band aid solution to ship wars in a "can't we all just get along?" way but when you scroll through the user's profile and you'll instantly know they're disingenuous. Nevermind if you're actually interested in the polyship and got duped by them. Same way switch shippers try to be superior by saying they have no drama. Really need people to be honest and get off their high horses.
No.9462
i've only read 2 volumes of hikaru ga shinda natsu but it's been a slog to get through. if it was meant to be an exploration of grief the characters' interactions (past and present) are too boring to make me care about their relationship. if it's meant to explore humanity vs monsters there's nothing much going on in that aspect. and as a supernatural series with horror elements none of plot developments or environments feel remotely unsettling. the art is incredible for sure, but even with the mangaka's technical skill i can't quite buy into the horror atmosphere.
the only thing that could hook me in is the fujobait, but then again i don't care for the characters, and appparently monster sex is completely off the books. i guess that's it for me with this series and author.
No.9469
>>9462I want someone else to steal the main concept of Hikaru ga Shinda Natsu and make a BL out of it where the monster literally learns what sexual attraction and human love and emotion is after becoming partially human as someone keeping up with the series. I actually might apply that concept to another fandom with similar characters.
No.9473
>>9472Use Google Translate on your phone. Its tedious and not a perfect translation, but its good enough and better than nothing.
No.9474
>>9473There used to be an injector you could load VNs into to have them run through google translate as you read, I'm suprised no one has made a better version using AI yet.
No.9475
>>9474Oh yeah I saw something like that while I was trying to see how Id play Shingakko in Japanese. But I just went the more accessible albeit inconvenient route. It did its job but I had to wave my hand in front of the camera so it would do a new translation.
But yeah I am surprised too that someone hasn't worked on an improved one since there are so many untranslated VNs.
No.9478
>>9473I could do that yeah but something about machine translations always bothers my autism, it just doesn't sound right for me even when the scanlator cleans up the mistakes. It is indeed better than nothing tho so I might do that.
>>9477I do wanna learn Japanese and have tried a few times but I always get overwhelmed and end up dropping it, even I have a hard time remembering katakana and hiragana. I do wanna learn it, I just gotta see what tools are the best and to get in the right mindset.
No.9482
>I don't like fixed ships, riba is always a fun thing to picture. >Can't get into Harada at all, i don't get the hype. I still need to try and get into her manga>I like uke x uke. I want to see two pretty bishies or handsome guys squirming together… >>9441>The best ships are between two characters that both look like ukes in some way.Hell yeah
No.9484
>>9477nta, but there's already a djt thread. its pretty dead though
>>>/ot/365 No.9494
Big, muscular bottoms are gross and preferring them while constantly shitting on people who like smaller bottoms doesn't make you subversive and Not Like Other Fujos when shit like muscular bottoms and old man yaoi been a growing trend for years.
No.9495
>>9494Sorry nonna I love old man yaoi and I have for years, I don't think it's "not like the other girls" either, I think it's just people growing up and liking more than they previously would.
No.9498
>>9495The point was about people who like it and brag about having a subversive taste than "other fujos".
No.9499
>>9498Same with the switchfags and the polytards. They can't help but to act NLOF and be smug about it
No.9500
>>9494I love muscular bottoms but I never understood bragging about it, it makes sense why someone prefers small bottoms so to be all smug cuz you have a different taste just seems like a waste of time.
No.9506
>>9499Based and truthpilled take. 4 out ot 5 times switchfags are absolutely insufferable in their smugness.
>Errrrm, I don't understand other fujos' obsession with fixed dynamics? Maybe it's just me, but that's like heterofying the ship to me? I know other fujos are vapid bitches who only like AB, but I can enjoy all of the content made because I actually love switching! It's SO much more realistic, you know!>Proceeds to only post 95% BA despite being a self-proclaimed switchfag because it's just a decoy to shit on AB shippers No.9507
>>9506Sometimes I do have a top/bottom preference but I love it more when I find a couple I like to switch on equal amounts. I like it when there is equality in my relationships and it gets less boring with the predictability of who gets what kind of romantic or intimate treatment.
Something very intimate and raw about the usual top becoming the bottom, too.
t.smug switchfag
No.9508
>>9506I like both fixed and fluid because I love variety. I think both sides have a strange tendency to make their own likes law without compromising with others. People love different shit, I'm no different, you're no different. None of us are, so why do switch fags feel the need to make their taste novel from the rest?
No.9510
>>9508Because they get a lot of hate from purists for no reason?
The best part about being the superior switchfag is that I am 100% shielded from the "but why not a woman?" from the editors that want to open the doors to bisexual tops and love triangles that include women.
But its really because I want them to exchange their love equally :3
No.9513
Speaking of switchfagging, I hate multishippers.
People whose only enjoyment of shipping depends on how pretty an art looks like or if something has more amount of fics, more fanart, more artists, etc. Just full on consooom, without having any real dedication or care for the actual ship in question.
It's just vapidness to me. If you don't have an OTP or you don't have any real thoughts on why you like (a ship) or (your ship, assumedly OTP) but yet despite having an "OTP" you still like any of the characters with anyone else, you're not a real shipper and you don't count. You're just a coomer consoomer fujo to me.
No.9514
>>9513I respect your dedication but I just think this sounds mental. Being fujoshi by definition is just liking m/m pairings, and by extension not self-inserting.
No.9515
I assume this is not a very popular opinion since I've legit never met anyone else who feels this way, but I really, really don't like genderbends/nyota, whether it's hetbending or nyota yuri. I don't like the fact that it just feels like an excuse to turn male characters into tittymonsters, there's absolutely 0 consideration for how a male character would actually look like as a woman, and also the fact that genderbending is basically synonymous to male charas being turned into women, while female charas almost never get turned into men makes me feel like it's just an excuse to draw coomshit where it doesn't belong. If I wanted waifus, I'd look up art of waifus. This didn't use to be such a big landmine for me but I feel like the amount of nyota shit has been increasing year after year, to the point there's straight up JP artists who exclusively draw m/m ships as either hetships or yuri. I'm not attracted to women, I do not look up yaoi art to look at pin ups of women. Why is this so common and how do I make it stop.
No.9516
>>9508It's not novel but it's not a majority thing either, so i get it. Bragging about what makes you squee is childish though, it's too personal and not even something you fully control.
>>9494>and old man yaoi been a growing trend for years.This, posts about old man yaoi being le freaky kinky patrician taste get tens of thousands of likes. It's absurd
>>9515>Why is this so commonThere are more bisexual women among fujos than in the larger population
No.9517
>>9515I totally feel you. Even though I'm the type of person who will look at straight ships sometimes I absolutely hate it when someone hetbends a gay ship.
No.9518
>>9516No one is really bragging *unironically*. Its just a knee jerk reaction to people taking offense that people like verse couples. Sometimes I have a preference but I just cant with the role autism I see posted sometimes. But I dont bring it up because I dont go after other fujos.
>>9515Absolutely. I get it if people want to get creative but there's already so many characters of the sex that they are drawing as so why go out of your way to change it? I dont like it either.
No.9519
>>9513I’m curious if you’re fine with BLVNs with multiple love interests due to routes or if this only applies to OTPs for you
No.9520
>>9513Multishipping doesn't mean shipping everything. It means enjoying more than one dynamic in the story with certain characters. Can you watch Gintama and tell me with a straight face that Gintoki doesn't have chemistry with multiple guys?
And shipping doesn't = endgame. Maybe you see one particular guy as Guy A's perfect husband, but another guy as hatesex material, and another guy as a one time fuck. You can enjoy exploring all of these different possibilities.
Using Gintama as an example, Takasugi and (sorta) Hijikata would be the hate sex, Sougo would be the rando fling, Kamui would be the yandere noncon, and Madao would be the endgame husband.
No.9521
>>9516>This, posts about old man yaoi being le freaky kinky patrician taste get tens of thousands of likes. It's absurdAs an ojisan enjoyer, these posts just make me roll my eyes because I know 90% of the time that they have someone who's barely even 30 or younger in mind like Reigen or maybe an immortal cdrama guy who looks like a twink or some shit.
No.9524
>>9514>>9519I can enjoy other ships in other media and I can like a character with multiple ones in one franchise but in another franchise I may have one ever-constant OTP.
When interacting in a fan circle with people who like my OTP, I don't want to share space with people who just consider my OTP a "side-dish". Like they like/consume (ship 1) related art/fic while not actually understanding it's appeal or doing shit like another anon said "god I wish I was the seme/god I wish I was the uke" and constantly jumping from ship to ship.
When I have an actual dedication to a ship, I'd want to talk with actual shippers of that ship, not consoomers. Because consoomers never have anything meaningful to say, and they're always the one who jump to one franchise to the next anyway once the (current ships) are no longer interesting.
No.9525
>>9523Well people are using this as Shit You Hate 2.0 instead of posting their actual unpopular opinion.
>>9522>>9521Same I hate it when I'm looking for actual old men and people post characters who aren't even older than me lol.
No.9526
>>9524I thought the typical pattern of Migratory Slash Fandom is to jump from juggernaut to juggernaut. Like, going from Destiel to Kylux to Wangxian to Jayvik. Either way it's always pretty easy to tell the difference between people who are dedicated and people who are enjoying ATG type of content. And at least in JP fandom spaces, the uke character x all crowd will usually clearly label.
No.9527
>>9526Migratory Slash Fandom implies that the juggernaut du jour is also shallow/has very little canon basis. On that list only Kylux is pure MSF. Further reading:
https://fanlore.org/wiki/Migratory_Slash_FandomThe name for the girlies who are somehow always into a juggernaut ship is simply "lucky bitches" haha
No.9528
I don’t think I have any truly unpopular fujo opinions. I feel like most opinions will have supporters and dissenters. But I guess it’s probably unpopular with non-slasher-fujos and definitely unpopular with non-fujos, but I love when fujos cry over their ship not being canonized. I like when there’s a fujo meltdown because [insert ship here] didn’t become canon or got letdown by canon. I know it’s considered cringe to care that much over a ship (especially if your an adult), but I like that they cared enough to have a meltdown. I feel like it shows their dedication to the ship. Also there tends to be a boost in fanart and fanfic of the ship in question, so even if I’m not a huge fan of the ship, I still get giddy just thinking about how fujos are just that good at getting to work. The epitome of doing it yourself.
>>9523Kek I love experiencing the classic riba fujo vs fixed fujo fights though
No.9529
>>9518>No one is really bragging *unironically*.I wasn't thinking about you or the other switchfags on fujochan!
>I just cant with the role autism I see posted sometimes.Yeah, it's a little confusing
No.9531
>>9526>>9527I think jimcurly is probably the biggest example of a juggernaut bait ship because I can't imagine anyone seriously actively getting attached to a ship where one of the guys is a literal nugget and the other a misogynist rapist for a very long time
No.9534
>>9524I'd say I agree then, I got annoyed when I clicked on a pixiv set that had mostly a BL ship I'm not into and then like one of my pic OTP.
No.9535
As a multishipper I am the person discord mods hate because I turn up and live write a 2000 word essay of character/dynamic analysis out of nowhere, then come back two days later with a different one. Nobody knows which ship I'll hit next and while I'm pointing at manga chapters and lines of dialogue from episodes, somehow it's stuff that contradicts what other users "headcanon" about them, and when they do agree I feel rather like I'm betraying them when the same guys are then with someone else.
Anyway, I don't think about it usually, but I am consistently drawn to BLpoi fiction that could be jokingly interpreted as a harem. One thing that appeals to me about ABO AUs is being able to acknowledge the harem as a harem without the meta tongue in cheek. I think joking about harems was more popular in the 00s when actual harem genre anime were commonplace but these days there's not many people who try to negotiate a character being in numerous simultaneous relationships and practicing different positions in each. So that preference is probably unpopular? I should also state that the nature of the harem and who collected or gathered first is different in each case, and the harem members end up with their own dynamics. This makes it sound like a mess, and I'm sure part of it is indecision because I want to be kind to each character and explore all parts of them, but I also like the "protagonist" having some desirable charisma.
No.9536
>>9533Ironically I don't get Adachi/Souji at all, but mainly because Adachi/Doujima is better in every imaginable way. With Souji they barely interact and while the
accomplice ending is fun I just struggle to see any chemistry or real underlying romance unlike say Souyou where they is semi-canon onesided pining. Doujima and Adachj on the other hand regularly get drunk together, have the weird ackward domestic dynamic with Nanako, and you can play with jealously and resentment over
Chisato. Fuck, one of these days I need to write my shipping manifesto on them.
I haven't tried Mouthwashing yet, but I liked How Fish is Made so I'll probably check it out at some point, if there wasn't someone here who kept bringing it up I wouldn't even know it had a large shipping community though. As an outsider I see more art of the woman that anything else. I guess quad amputee can appeal to someone though haha.
No.9537
>>9536>Ironically I don't get Adachi/Souji at allThe accomplice ending is gay as hell, their team up in arena was super fujo, Yu is super obsessed with still being besties with Adachi in cross tag battle and everything with the ending of the P4 golden anime lead into that even harder (you're part of our family Adachi san etc etc)
I get Dojima/Adachi but to me it doesn't have nearly as much fujobait as Adachi/Yu, also I like tsundere semes.
No.9538
>>9537Yeah I can see the appeal of Arena stuff (Haven't played Cross-tag didn't realize it had a plot will need to look into that). Part of it is also just thinking all Persona MCs are boring tbh
No.9539
>>9533Hey, Adachi didn't impregnate someone and traumatized them making that 90% of the game. Even though Adachi has had misogynistic dialogue, it's not to the same level as Jimmy. There's something more endearingly pathetic about Adachi while Jimmy is more "typical moid" coded
No.9540
>>9538>Part of it is also just thinking all Persona MCs are boring tbhI've always been a silent protagonist shipper, but I get that it's not for everyone.
>>9539I get the appeal of it, sometimes you just wanna see an incel get some dick/ass from a guy. I guess it comes from a level of irony since characters like Jimmy would most likely be homophobic kek.
I just don't really get how the game got so gigantic so quickly.
No.9541
>>9540>I just don't really get how the game got so gigantic so quickly.You can probably blame Markiplier. He already did it before with FNAF.
No.9556
Here's a real unpopular opinion:
I don't hate mpreg and sometimes I like it depending on the context. ABO context sucks because it's retarded, why even have human females in that universe? But the old school method of these magical ass babies or fade to black is fine.
No.9557
I love that stupid “b-but we’re both boys” shit so much, and I don’t care that it’s cringe. I think it’s lame when people say they’re glad BL has moved on from it. NO. We should NEVER move away from it. You can pry my “I’m totally straight (said while being actively fucked in the ass by another man)” yaoi from my cold, dead hands.
I don’t know if this belongs here or in “Shit You Like,” but I’m putting it here because I’ve seen a LOT of discussions online where people name this as the worst BL trope, as well as people asking for recommendations that don’t employ this trope. When people recommend a series with the lack of this as a selling point, I stay far away from it.
No.9558
>>9557I agree with you, nona (and I love that you specified that the uke is the one doing it…). Do you prefer it in the context of 'being in the closet and insisting on being ttly straight' or 'usually goes for girls, but not this time'?
No.9559
>>9557Kek I hate that trope and I'm glad BL has moved on from it. I get why it's appealing because taboos always have their own essence to them and I guess breaking straight men is a fetish for some but I'm honestly so tired of half of the story going into the characters struggling with their sexuality instead of building the relationship with shared moments without the constant nagging "b-but he's a man, I'm not into men!" thought interrupting it.
No.9560
>>9557Gasp! I'm old enough that almost every single yaoi had to include some flavor of this so I don't like it at all.
I want them to love it, I want them to crave it, I want them to think about it, I want them to desire it, I want them to fantasize about it, I want them to revel in it!
No.9561
>>9557I'm with you and it makes me sad it isn't as common anymore. Personally I love things like forbidden love and slowburn pining so that trope is what drew me into yaoi all those years ago.
No.9562
I just can't get into sports anime. Even in the rare instance when the art is cute and appealing, my eyes just glaze over the moment sports ball happens. Yes, this includes Free
No.9563
>>9562Same, I felt bad for my friend when she showed me Kuroko and was so excited but I was bored out of my skull though kek.
Closest I've got to enjoying a sports anime is SK8.
No.9565
>>9562Which ones have you watched nonna? Because not all of them are made equal, some are better than others.
No.9566
>>9562My confession is that sports animanga has made me more interested in sports than anything else ever has. I know more about basketball than ever after Kuroko and Slam Dunk. Sports are retarded but the sheer gayness and size of the male cast in most sports shit plus lack of female love interest is worth it. Maybe fc needs a sports animanga tier list? Idk if Captain Tsubasa will evet be worth it but I wanna the Prince of Tennis
the protagonist looks made for dick No.9568
>>9566>TeniPuri mention>that spoilerLmao anon, that killed me but you aren't wrong.
TeniPuri is my peak cbdct anime. Most of the dudes are handsome, beautiful, cute or at least have some moe traits that make them attractive and there's like a million ship combinations, even husbandos if you're also into that. I mostly recommend the first anime season+ovas and reading the manga+sequel (even if this last one introduces a ton of more guys, some of them kinda ugly imo) but the series is super fun. I watched it when I was 14 and after rewatching/rereading it all this year, 15 years later, I believe it still holds up. There's a reason it's one of the biggest spokon franchises still alive and why it got so much merch, adaptations, fanart, djs, even an otome game.
The only thing I could see people having a problem is the fact that all of the guys are in middle school but since they look and sound like adults it's not as bad.
The moe, lots of different interactions and rivalries/friendships between the characters, the music is nice (so many character/pair songs, first op is fucking good imo), even the anime filler is good. There's so much I love about TeniPuri… Just make sure to stay away from all anime adaptations after the 1st season, but especially the World Cup one lol. Fucking disrepect.
Another thing, Ryoma (the MC) is kind of a Gary Stu so if you don't like that kind of protagonists, your enjoyment may not be much. I love him to death, I think he's pretty cute and charismatic and he's my favorite male character of all time (his seiyuu is also my favorite female seiyuu) but I understand he's not for everyone, though there's other boys that are also super moe in other ways.
Now after writing all this, I'm left with the urge of rewatching it again haha.
No.9569
>>9562Every single time I try watching a sports anime my brain just tunes out. Sports are so boring to me and it pains me how they always have the biggest fujo fandoms yet I can't just get into the sports aspect at all.
No.9571
>>9569>my brain just tunes outThis is the moment where you think of smut between your favorites.
No.9572
>>9571Kek I did this while watching Dark Elf Healer.
Spent half of the show thinking about the mc getting molested by monster plants haha…
…dwelling on it now, my standards might be a little low.
No.9573
>>9572Just looked it up. The MC as in Karla? Sounds like the antithesis of anything I would ever watch or enjoy. Ew.
No.9574
>>9573She clealy means Alvin nonna, I dont know why you would asdume otherwise given she included a picture of him what the fuck.
No.9575
>>9574Oh whoopsies my bad kekekek
No.9576
>>9573The knight anon, look at the picture. Its low standards because you literally can't see his face or body lmao.
No.9577
>>9558>Do you prefer it in the context of 'being in the closet and insisting on being ttly straight' or 'usually goes for girls, but not this time'?That's a hard question to answer because I do like both. For me, the main thing is that the character is deeply in denial about his feelings and feels some form of shame or discomfort with it? I've seen it done well both ways, and as long as that emotional conflict exists, I'm not terribly picky about the exact situation. I've even seen some where the character is entirely straight, but is forced to do gay shit due to circumstance, ends up liking it, and feels really weird about that fact. That's even within my area of interest if handled correctly. I don't know if that makes any sense, and I'm sorry if I didn't exactly answer your question!
No.9596
>>9539The only reason why Adachi didn't do all of this is because he accidentally killed his victim before he could have done all of this. If he didn't kill the journalist in her hotel room and get away with it everything would have been even more morbid in the game but in a different way. I can't make any comparison with Mouthwashing and its characters though.
>There's something more endearingly pathetic about AdachiUnironically I think it's only because he's so obviously based on Matsuda from Death Note and Matsuda is cute. Adachi's incel manifesto from his boss fight was a bit too on the nose and with how vaguely implied the reason why he was sent to a shit hole like Inaba I can't find him too endearing though.
No.9603
Adachi sucks and the women who husbando him need more self-esteem
No.9604
>>9562Me too, and god I tried. The only one I really liked was kuroko no basket and it's just because of Murasakibara, the most beautiful guy I've ever seen in anime.
No.9605
>>9604Does sk8 count as sports anime…?
I find sports so boring IRL Eyeshield 21 is the only one I really like that doesn't have a secondary genre, wish I could get into some Slam Dunk and Haikyuu fans eat for days.
No.9606
I don't care about IRL sports but I find sports anime engaging as long as it gets wacky with the sport like Kuroko and Blue lock. I've tried watching more down to earth sports anime but I couldn't get into it.
No.9609
I like 2.5D productions, including musicals, and I like when the actors fuck around backstage and interact on friendly terms together out of character too. When I first got truly deep into fujodom people passed around .avi musical downloads like it was the natural extension of the content we used as shipping fuel. You didn't think about it as 3D and you didn't ask what the actors were really like in their personal lives, but you still thought it was cute when they cried in the final curtain call or got a cake slammed in their face.
Now it's hard to find English speaking fujos who even try them. I feel like sometimes it's a landmine to bring up stage performances of any kind, because someone will get offended by the presence of real people or music. I'm glad that fc has the space for people to share these in designated threads, since it's places where everyone is packed in together where I've experienced people make accusations like "people who watch musicals are 3DPD obsessed yume no better than kpop shitters" and "stage shows are nothing but OOC garbage that infest fandoms." People will tell you the songs are low IQ trash with no cultural value, like it's normal to judge weeb media by whether it's comparable to high art from a recognized canon. Male otaku are out there with their silly horsie songs and I just want to giggle at a man pulling a funny face one minute and singing gravely about war the next.
Wishful thinking is that people who don't like what you like are just very vocal and stick out, but without the old LJ comms it's like stages just aren't visible and don't exist for most people. We've got more streaming site options and the ease of google drives but it's a total crapshoot whether you find newer stages. Fandoms just aren't as into them as they used to be.
No.9612
>>9610>I do remember it being bigger than it is now but never gave much thought to why it just disappeared from general fandom consciousness. Do you think it's symptomatic of fandom moving too fast, or something else? Last I heard, 2.5D musical fans get really anal about piracy and copyright so they will hunt down illegal reuploads. Though that's just secondhand information someone told me once so I dunno how accurate it is.
No.9613
>>9609My problem is that I am not a fan of their acting. Maybe I just need to watch a really good one so that I can get into it enough that I won't mind.
>>9610 at least the costumes are looking really good.
No.9615
I should be allowed to talk shit about your ship without giving a fuck about your feelings whenever you decide to namesearch ship related shit.
I'm tired of having to play along nicely or never expressing any opinion on disliking something because "that's toxic and bad :("
No.9616
>>9615It's not toxic and bad, just invites drama to you and the fandom. I dislike the forced positivity as well but at the same time I think shipping is something you do in your own lane for fun, there is no reason to engage with the ships you dislike and attract interactions with their fans. Replace one letter and now you can rant as much as you.
I have some ships and shippers I absolutely despise, still I wouldn't want to do anything to attract their attention specifically because I hate them so much. Why take a chance of attracting the attention of people you wouldn't want to interact with?
No.9617
>>9615I think there is a difference between explaining why you dislike a ship and why you prefer AB to AC and just being a bitch for no reason it's not toxic positivity to not want to get flooded with a million posts about why your rarepair is problematic or bad when opening their tumblr tag. If you don't like something don't engage with it, it's juvenile.
No.9618
>>9616>>9617I don't want the shippers attention or to direct flame them / stalk them to constantly shit on them etc (like I've seen it happen in other fandoms) but simply character bashing / ship bashing in general if I'm just on my own space but without having to feel that need of "what if someone sees it and gets offended by it" which I hate.
I don't post on tumblr but obviously I wouldn't deliberately tag something with the shipname if it's ship hate. But on
twitter, there's always people searching for keywords which makes it annoying that if you refer to a ship in some manner, sooner or later somebody will look at it and bring the trouble to you themselves.
No.9619
>>9618That's mostly on Twitter being a shit platform. For example, it's annoying when you search for something specific and the result is flooded by posts from someone who has the words you searched for in their name.
I don't use the (for you) tab because the algorithm is untrustworthy so when I'm looking for new people to follow I search the ship name. Jp artists very often mention the ship name but don't use a tag which is also why I got that habit.
If Twitter was a better platform we wouldn't need to censor ourselves but it's shit so better be careful for the sake of everyone who is also dealing with it.
No.9620
>>9617>it's not toxic positivity to not want to get flooded with a million posts about why your rarepair is problematic or badYeah but she is not going out of her way to inflame others, she is just venting, it is forced positivity to want everyone to never do or just do "helpful criticism".
Same for characters or even stories, if people want to vent about something they don't like they should be in the right to do so, even if it may be juvenile.
No.9621
>>9620Call me a weak bitch but when the only comment I get on my story is "Gross why did you write A/B?" It makes me feel like shit. If someone is venting on their own it's fine, if nonna is posting about it on twitter it's whatever. Getting reblogged with comments and tags about how you're a terrible person just makes me want to disengage.
We're talking about different platforms, I don't use Twitter my post wasn't about that I just have been on the receiving end of hate and personal attacks a few too many times.
No.9622
>>9621Yeah people who do that shit are awful. If you wanna be a hater you can be a hater privately or where the OP can't see it but commenting directly on a fic about that sucks.
No.9624
>>9615Just tag your ship-bashing properly and it's fine imo. Also there's a difference between shitting on a ship and shitting on the people who ship the ship themselves. Or going out of your way to comment on other people's works obvs. Venting can be fun but sometimes it's better to focus on what you like vs what you don't, but we also shouldn't have to walk on eggshells for everyone in our own spaces.
No.9650
I'm gonna say it: I don't feel comfortable sharing a space with people who's ideologies I disagree with. I can keep it to myself but there's always the lingering bugbear of accidently stating my peace and and getting panned for it. There's so much I can stomach before my body hair wants to die.
No.9651
>>9650For me I can tolerate being around them, but I don't really consider them friends like I do with my fujo friends who align with me politically.
No.9652
>>9651I just learned a guy who sometimes ask for Comms from me loves to suck elon's cock. We're still chill, but as somebody with left leaning views, I don't trust a man who destroyed a social media platform with the keys to society.
No.9718
I know people are going to deny it but I feel like we have much less media that wants to fujo pander anymore. Fujos will cook yaoi anywhere, I'm not denying that. But in terms of big series and big ships getting a lot of traction there doesn't seem to be as many options compared to all the hetero romances and even yuri in the mainstream when it comes to anime and gaming.
There's not a lot of newer shounen with fujobait to replace the old guard. We used to have a lot of ps2 era and handheld console era rpgs with popular homo ships but there's less in comparison. Most of it seems to be taken over by gacha and with how that industry is moving, you won't see guys in anything but otome and those people do not want to see any fujo bait at all.
Sports anime isn't as huge anymore. The biggest anime fandoms on ao3 as of now are BNHA (older series, complete), BSD (older series, ongoing), Naruto (older series) and Haikyuu (older series, complete). Which is good for them, these series had a long time to build up the fanbase. But I can't think of any big anime that take their place in the fujo ecosystem. In terms of video games we have no new Josh/Neku or Soriku or Narumitsu. You know it's bad when the biggest game fandom for fujos is Hoyoverse, a company that will never give male characters the same importance and screentime because incels will freak out, and where the content is just the guys talking in one event. We're in the fujo Dark Ages in terms of upcoming media and companies wanting to pander to us.
No.9720
>>9718To be honest, considering the clusterfuck autismo fandoms in recent shounen series like JJK/MHA or the Hoyoverse, I can't help but wonder if big main fandoms are a mistake. Having a big fandom isn't a sign of quality anymore, its a red flag. Might be that as time passes and the big fandoms get more and more aggravating, some people are starting to stay away from shounen and games like hoyoverse and centering on under the radar series that won't grab as much attention past a small base while others won't check out series unless it ready has a large fandom attached to it because they're more attached to the community as a social gathering than they are to the actual fandom.
No.9721
>>9720I think the reason big fandoms have become worse is because of the platforms everyone is on. Twitter functions on ragebait and so everyone wants to one up each other with hot takes and stanning than actually creating anything. Smaller fandoms don't even get a chance because writers and artists don't want to produce for anything that will get them less eyes on their work and less chances of commissions.
No.9722
Idk how much of a hot take this is but it's hard for me to understand Fate fujos or Hoyoverse fujos. Especially Hoyoverse ones. With Genshin there's countless cute girl characters who are all designed the same way with cleavage and clothing cut-out designs and short skirts and head accessories and button designs. And then every guy is completely clothed with pants and a scarf or a suit or something. All of the characters look the same to me. From what I can understand too there's little lore and all characters have easily digestible personalities.
No hate either because I can get why you would want to get invested in a very popular game and have a mountain of fanart and fic at all times with a giant community. All the characters just look so samey to me personally and there's next to no pandering from what I can understand.
>>9718It's weird because there's so much good BL coming out all times through manga, novels, whatever, but it doesn't feel like we have anything to replace Naruto or BNHA or Haikyuu when it comes to fujobait.
>>9720>>9721I've had the best luck with fandoms centered around media that naturally filters out children, normies, people unfamiliar with fandom, and antis. Media that
>leans older>isn't trendy or an aesthetic on social media, especially TikTok>has open pandering or problematic elements>has actual gameplay required>higher barrier of entry to become a fanCompare gacha game and mobile game fandoms with actual console or PC game fandoms. I know that kids will always read game wikis, but a lot are too lazy to even do that. Anything that filters people who need constant dopamine.
No.9724
>>9718Yeah I've been feeling this too. I do think that Blue lock is a decently big newer fujo franchise but I can't think of anything else off the top of my head.
>>9722>Idk how much of a hot take this is but it's hard for me to understand Fate fujos or Hoyoverse fujosI'm not that actively into Fate anymore but like I mentioned in the Fate grand order thread I do think it has diverse male character designs so you're probably going to run into at least some guys that do it for you that have some sort of interaction due to the gacha format. I get your feelings though cause the franchise is very waifu-focused and I quit the mobile game cause I was tired of the cowtits waifus and bikini lolis.
No.9727
>>9722Fate fujoism is literally just historical fujoism just with anime designs attached to them. If you already shipped something like Gilgamesh/Enkidu from the original Epic, or stuff like Salieri/Mozart, Sherlock/Moriarty, etc etc it's really not all that different. Then you have Master/Servant relationships like
>>9725 which work well.
Also, I don't understand why it should be a demerit if male characters are more clothed than females or viceversa or whatever? I don't immediately like a male character for being a guy wearing a thong and armor.
Hoyo fujos though, I'll give you that it's exactly what's wrong with "fujobait" these days because there is no actual BAIT. The "bait" is quite literally "these two MEN are standing there, and maybe they hate each other or like each other, who knows" and fujos are the ones doing the job, not the company to ensure fujos keep eating the bait.
But then again, let's look at the examples such as
>>9718 said. BNHA, BSD, Naruto and Haikyuu.
Naruto and BNHA by factor of being a shonen, unintentionally pander to fujos because all the women are written terribly and the male ""friendships"" are too strong they feel gay as fuck. They may intentionally trap you by giving you that bait through merch or vague dialogues, but you know that it's NEVER going to be a thing and you're retarded for thinking so.
Didn't BSD shoot itself in the foot recently with the author pulling a Durarara on the most popular ship?
Also
> In terms of video games we have no new Josh/Neku or Soriku or Narumitsusis your shuake???? the ship that refuses to die????
No.9728
>>9722>Genis and MithosI completely forgot how cute they were together!
My big Symphonia ship was always
Kratos x Lloyd but luckily most Tales games fit right into your normie-children-anti filter by the length and age alone
I think in terms of JRPGs they are very newbie-friendly, but who has time for that nowadays when you can download gacha slop on your phone for free?
No.9730
>>9722>little lore and all characters have easily digestible personalities. Fate/HYV fandoms are just the gachashit equivalent to Homestuck (huge but shallow cast ripe for headcanons, "deep" but succinct lore, drip-fed story).
In general fanworks that consider the lore tend to be less popular and only visible to people who go digging for them, so as an onlooker all you will see through a popular fandom's algorithm invasion is the AU/coomer/meme/shallow shit that gets the engagement.
I can't quite pinpoint how/when/why thoughtful fanworks became second banana to popular tropes (I am certain platform/algo issues like
>>9721 says is a factor), but it's definitely something that has happened in the last decade. These days a "BNF" is more likely to be writing AU slop or drawing objectively high quality but narratively uninteresting Patreon NSFW than anything that meaningfully draws from the source material (which they supposedly love?).
Popular older fandoms seem to be protected from modern conventions like this–for example it is unlikely you will see paint-by-numbers AU omegaverse fics dominate the top 50 kudos'd fic of any Star Trek or Final Fantasy VII ship, even if your search is limited to post-2020.
>>9718>in terms of big series and big ships getting a lot of traction there doesn't seem to be as many options compared to all the hetero romances and even yuri in the mainstream when it comes to anime and gamingThis is true and my only comfort is that the "classics" I'm into continue to get new and high quality fics. As the slopification of media continues I can only hope that fujos consider their nutrition-packed backlogs over trying to find crumbs of bait underneath a table they haven't been welcome at in years.
>>9728>Kratos x LloydCompletely insane how popular this was when you consider modern fandom sensibilities can't handle "family coded" incest. The relative popularity of Laguna x Squall FF8 comes to mind too.
No.9731
>>9726>>9725hm okay I think I understand Fate fujos a little better just by these pictures alone
>>9727>male characters are more clothed than females or viceversa or whatever?I don't want them to necessarily wear a thong, but the male Genshin characters all have similar silhouettes with random details. Not having too lewd of male characters for the Chinese incel fanbase limits designs. I've seen delusional Hoyo fans say dumb shit like how all of the waifus are feminist or for the girlies or it's better for the guys to be completed covered up, etc
To sperg a little more I like the basic core concept of Arataki Itto (white-haired oni + red horns / face), Scaramouche (shorts + hat + dark indigo hair), and Kaeya (dark skin + ponytail + eyepatch). Childe's hair color and asymmetrical clothing bother me a lot and I don't know why.
>>9728>I think in terms of JRPGs they are very newbie-friendly, but who has time for that nowadays when you can download gacha slop on your phone for free?Agree, they are so comfy for sure! Love Tales games, disappointed by Arise kek
No.9733
>>9718>In terms of video games we have no new Josh/Neku or Soriku or Narumitsu. There's a canon gay pairing in FF16 and one of the guys in it is very popular but it's not nearly as popular as any of the pairings you listed. Maybe you're right about fujobait in video games. But I don't keep up with new releases anymore so I'm a bit clueless.
No.9741
>>9722>Fate fujos I know a lot of anons already replied, but I just thought I'd bring this up. A lot of Fate fujos (including me) started out as fans of the visual novel or anime. You get into the VN or anime because you hear the plot is good, and the next thing you know, you're looking up doujins of whatever two male characters happened to have a weird amount of sexual tension in your eyes. Personally, I have a really strong interest in history and VNs, so I didn't get into the series for the boys specifically. It was just a happy coincidence that there's a decent amount of bait between two of my favorite characters. I don't think it's fair to say the series doesn't have any lore when people make autistic watch order flowcharts and get into fights about whether suggesting people start with Fate/Zero is a horrible decision because you'll accidentally spoil a couple of twists from Fate/Stay Night. The VN alone is like 80 hours long, plus there's a ton of spin-off material, so there's a lot of lore.
I actually have a love-hate relationship with FGO because it attracts people who completely ignore canon characterization and lore (male fans are the worst about it. I've seen them worry that love interests from the original VN would have a canonical attraction to Shirou, the protagonist of Fate/Stay Night, instead of the generic protagonist of the gacha when Shirou was added to the game. This is complicated by how these characters operate in FGO, but that's probably the easiest way to explain it. There are also a lot of fandom characterizations that completely ignore canon because they've never engaged with anything outside of FGO. I could complain about FGO more, but I don't want to get into annoying territory). I understand it is a scrote-oriented franchise, so I'm not stupid enough to defend it, but I thought that might help explain some of the fandom. I won't pretend the series isn't built on waifu fanservice (it did start out as an eroge), but I'd argue the girls' designs were much more reasonable and less obnoxious in FSN than FGO. I do agree that I don't understand how people get into the series from FGO alone, as the gameplay is archaic, and we didn't even have a pity system in the gacha for the longest time.
No.9743
>>9742>it's still one of the only Gacha games I've been able to get into and it still has some stuff going for itOh, absolutely! There's a reason I said it was a love-hate relationship kek. I know I spent a lot of time complaining about FGO in my post, but I've been playing the gacha for years because the story is absolutely engaging. It's the only gacha game I've never deleted from my phone. I more meant that it's hard to understand why someone would play FGO because the gacha is outdated, and I can't understand why someone would choose it over some of the more "polished" gacha games out there if they didn't have a preexisting attachment to the series. Of course, people do, so there must be some reason.
> I actually hope someday it's reworked into a "real" vn and demobilized after it shuts down I also hope it becomes a "real" VN because it basically already is one. I don't know the exact word count offhand, but it's truly gotten to an insane length. Camelot was actually my favorite chapter, with Atlantis as a close second. It'd be sad not to have an offline version when it ends.
Not to derail the thread, but it's insane VNDB doesn't count it as a VN, but counts Fate/Extella as one. No.9744
>>9733>FF16The only good ship is the incest ship
No.9745
>>9727>it's exactly what's wrong with "fujobait" these days because there is no actual BAIT. The "bait" is quite literally "these two MEN are standing there, and maybe they hate each other or like each other, who knows" and fujos are the ones doing the job, not the company to ensure fujos keep eating the bait.This has reminded me of something I've seen on lc, the opinion that its better when the source material is "mediocre/not good" because it let's people feel like they can write it better through fanfiction.
Tbh personally, I feel like if you're not genuinely a fan of the work then what youre writing isnt really FANfiction. It all feels wrong to me, ig.
No.9746
>>9745IMO you can have good characters and potential in material that is otherwise "bad" though I think you don't truly hate the work in those cases since there is something that draws you to it. What really makes a fandom is the toybox scenario where they give you an open ended enough world and setting to mess with, an open and shut well written story doesn't get the juices flowing in a way something that's less polished but has gaps of time, a large ensemble cast, or even "plot holes" does.
Realistically if you're investing hours into writing something even if you claim to hate it there must be something compelling driving you to.
No.9747
>>9746Isn't it usually character design and community? It connects to the gacha stuff too, ig in that its not made with the thought of enjoying the dynamics of the source material.
No.9748
>>9747To be honest, I've never played any of Hoyo's works, so I have no idea what their appeal is. The character designs seem boring, so I assume those ones just ride on accessibility, though maybe I'm missing some bestselling writing, haha. Personally, I'm not motivated by community, but I do think it's good "propaganda" for a franchise. So while I don't think it's the main reason people engage, it might get people who otherwise wouldn't have checked out a series to look into it and enjoy something.
I'm just talking in general; an anime or game might have amazing writing, but if there isn't an easy "in" that makes you want to write, it might not grip you in that way. Meanwhile, if you look at something like Danganronpa or Naruto, there are large casts and an interesting setting, so even if the game or show doesn't have the best writing itself, you want more of the world and characters.
The example picture I used is one that always springs to mind for me as a "shit show I love/hate." Medaka Box has some really cool ideas and fun characters but falls prey to the fact that it is aggressively shonenshit and falls flat on its ass. And yet, I feel compelled to someday write something for it because I think its "magic" system is interesting.
No.9749
>>9736Agreed. I found literally every noncanon Clive ship with a male more interesting than the actual canon gay couple.
No.9750
>>9736Their backstory is interesting but is only revealed in a guidebook so I like the pairing, but it's more because I like Dion a lot in general.
>>9744True. Unfortunately the more time passed the more artists kept drawing Joshua as a cuntboy.
No.9753
>>9744I don't like Clive much at all. And while I ~love~ the traditional leader and his devoted right-hand man coupling…
I have to say I am still a Dion/Joshua truther.
>>9750Dion was the best character and I am trying to manifest a DLC about him.
No.9754
>>9741ARYT, I was talking about Hoyo fujos with the lore stuff, probably should have made that more clear. I wouldn't call myself a Fate fan but I've seen the original 2006 Stay/Night anime and played the VN. Some of the boys are cute (Gilgamesh
he should bottom) but the series seemed very male-pandering especially with FGO which is why I said I didn't really understand Fate fujos. I'm more interested now in the series if it gives you content and interactions to work with. No hate either, most weebshit I keep up with is aimed at males myself. I should probably watch Fate Zero (and UBW) at some point. Thanks for your reply, I understand it better now.
>>9746>>9748The toybox element is a good point with fandom and fic and why series like Naruto get so many stories along with canon content for fujos. I want to see the next really big shonenslop series to be set in an interesting world (ideally not low fantasy Tokyo) with pretty boys. What are some series that had very high potential and a good base for fic that turned out to be mediocre? This discussion interests me.
No.9755
>>9718i would disagree but then i remember this came out 12 years ago and we haven't gotten anything comparable ever since.
a cast of 15+ cute guys with ripped bodies constantly wet and on display all over each other, with relationships tip-toeing on romance. only 2 of them showed interest in a girl and it was just comedic relief anyways.
the fact there hasn't been a single anime that has done the same thing to this degree in over a decade is very telling. this industry is so anti-fujo and generally anti-women not even easy money motivates them to feed us properly…
No.9757
>>9755We had Yuri on Ice after Free but Mappa fucked up so bad it became a dead franchise soon after and even Junichi Suwabe seemed lowkey pissed off on twitter when Mappa finally confirmed we'll never get the movie. And the reason why they neglected Yuri on Ice on purpose is because they never had faith in the series to begin with and didn't negociate the way they should have with other companies involved in the project so they barely saw any profits from the anime and merchandises. Kyoani is more likely to adapt niche manga and novels for otaku, I assume that's why they were a lot more invested in Free. I'm still mad at Mappa to this day, I think I'll keep seething in my 80s.
No.9759
>>9757mappa's treatment of yuri on ice was really disgusting. such a good and beloved series fading out like this when tons of trashy series get all kinds of sequels and spin-offs is very unfair.
i agree that yuri on ice had some similarities with free, however it wasn't nearly as fanservice-y. free's entire staple was to have tons and tons of bishies half-naked on screen and fujobaiting in various combinations of ships for the entire duration of the episode. it was much more unabashed and titillating than yuri on ice, which was "just" a truly sports anime with a canon gay couple.
No.9760
>>9755Boueibu Season 4 is airing right now, it might not have as much nudity as Free but it definitely gets up there with the fanservice. Current one has MC transforming in a naked apron.
Each season has had some pretty blatant shipbait and there has also been pretty blatant canon gay. While at the same time they did do an otome game spinoff…? It's kind of bizarre considering the show is all BL fanservice. The actual anime is like those moe shows that never show a male except flipped.
No.9761
>>9759I mostly compared Free and Yuri on Ice because of how well received they were by their target audience and how male otaku seethed when they were airing. And Free season 1 and Yuri on Ice are around the same length and they're original works (sort of for Free) as well. It's a better comparison than WSJ anime adaptations of sports manga that aren't made specifically for fujoshi but have strong fujoshi fanbases because I know back then on tumblr everyone kept comparing Free to series like Haikyuu or Prince of Tennis.
>>9760>The actual anime is like those moe shows that never show a male except flipped.I only watched the first season but I just remembered how the "antagonist" goal made absolutely no sense because there aren't any female characters whatsoever in the season, it was the funniest shit ever. I need to rewatch it soon.
No.9764
>>9760oh i've heard about boueibu, i've always been curious about it since i like magical girls, but i get the feeling it's a very low quality production (and tbh i think the guys are ugly lol). what do you think about it nona?
>>9761yeah i get it nona, and i agreed with you that you can make a comparison between yoi and free. i remember the male otakus meltdown over both, it was so silly.
its just that in the op i was talking about an anime that oversexualizes a large cast of bishies and teases lots of ships between them as its main selling point, rather than other types of similarities between the two.
No.9765
>>9761>I only watched the first season but I just remembered how the "antagonist" goal made absolutely no sense because there aren't any female characters whatsoever in the seasonDo you mean the episode with the monster that was turning all the boys gay and the student council's plan was to stop humans from reproducing? Kek
>>9764>what do you think about it nona?I loved season 1 and 2, was disappointed by season 3, and am currently being disappointed by season 4. The budget has definitely never been great but the novelty of magical boys is enough to keep me watching. The only problem with the later seasons is that they keep repeating the formula without doing enough to change it up, plus focusing too much on the MOTW aspect. I noticed when rewatching the first season that a lot less time was spent on the monsters and more time was spent on the boys, but now it's the opposite.
They've also really dropped the ball on the character designs recently. We peaked in S2.
No.9766
>>9762What I miss the most isn't even the fujopandering in anime like hetalia because I honestly just stick to older fandoms, but the combination of fun premise with potential for nerds to immerse themselves (geopolitics/history/geography/militarism) + cute bishies.
Not my intention to derail the thread, but It's seems that most anime/manga made for the first group I mentioned (fun premise for nerds) are simply made for men.
No.9767
>>9733The canon gay is with a very boring side characters and it has little influence on the story. Not nearly as fun to ship as Sefikura or Noctis with any of the guys.
>>9741FGO has always felt like a less fujo friendly franchise despite me knowing it does get yaoi. The English side of the fandom is mostly dude based considering its an wrote and there's a lot of self insert het yume content to wade through. The yaoi ships don't seem to get any readable fanfics in comparison to other fandoms.
No.9768
>>9767>yaoi ships don't seem to get any readable fanfics in comparison to other fandomsThis is the metric by which I judge whether or not fandoms are "for" fujos. I understand that it's a personal and biased opinion, but in my experience the % of M/M fanfic is directly proportionate to how comfortable the EN fandom is. It has been said here and in other threads how fujos are drawn to play with toys in the sandbox and fanfic is the most accurate measurement of this quality (modern fanart is muddled by financial gain).
No.9769
>>9768I disagree tbh, by that metric Genshin is be super fujo.
No.9771
>>9770>NO english fanfics but the fandom is entirely japanese with tons of fanartContains a high chemistry ship but has a low sandbox score (Bravern also falls into this category). I enjoy them but they are ephemeral and unlikely to reach "lifelong OTP I still think about years later" status. To use a food analogy: for me fanfics are complex carbs and fanart is sugar.
>>9769Gachashit's inability to ever have canon m/f ships is one of the few objectively nice things about them and I view them as fujo friendly because of this.
No.9772
>>9771Samefag but an example of the opposite (high sandbox/low chemistry ship) would be shit like Kylux from Star Wars. "Migratory Slash Fandom" is like a false positive on the fujometer haha
No.9773
>>9722I get it but I also get the urge to want to be into popular things only so I can have fanfics that I can actually read. I don't think the canon status of ships matters that much, and people are more attracted to the ability to play around in a world than really needing canon.
>>9727Shuake was done so dirty by Atlus with them ignoring them and doing some "up to your interpretation" which only pleased the incel guys who hated Akechi. Persona is one of the franchises where I feel the least welcome as a female players and I know Shuake has shooters defending this ambiguous nonsense but I say as fujos we demand better since its only the dudebros who get what they want, not us.
>>9730I feel like Hoyoverse also now dripfeeding ships to people based on tropes instead of people shipping on their own is also why it all feels like slop. People rush to ship the new yaoi because a leak said it would be baited, that's how sad it is. While I remember early Genshin fandom where people shipped more for fun and cooked their own food based on voicelines and wanting to go "behind the scenes", which is good fuel for shipping, to now only being about shipping whatever is canon and then hating on ships that aren't "canon".
No.9778
>also get the urge to want to be into popular things only so I can have fanfics that I can actually read. I don't think the canon status of ships matters that much
In the fandom I'm in (few fujos fandom) people do tend to just, ship the canon ship because it's validating, like they can self insert into the girl so most fanfics are the same rehashed y/a romance novel like.
Everytime there are no fujos in a fandom the "popular" ship always ends being the canon or the closest to canon basically.
I don't really care about popularity thou, I've seen the popular ship in my fandom for example and most of its content is samey tumblr anime looking fanarts that feel out of character. Meanwhile, my ship might not have much content, but the few fanarts it does have are honestly some of the best I’ve seen in the fandom. Quality over quantity, basically.
No.9782
Fujos really need to start seriously gatekeeping, because the concept of yaoi and fujoshi is devolving into an internet meme for many people and lots of people who speak on the topic only know about it through viral memes to the point I'm convinced most braindead fujoshi and yaoi related discourse would be gone overnight if people had actual standards for who gets to speak on these things. Start quizzing people on BL anime, ask them who their favorite BL mangaka is and what they think of the current state of BL in the industry and how they think danmei or BL manwha compares to standard Japanese BL manga and if they can't answer any of your questions and only know yaoi because of yaoi paddles or yaoi hands or fandom ship discourse or whatever, they're a poser and don't get an opinion.
Same for people that hate yaoi. If they complain about misogyny/homophobia in BL but their only experience with misogynistic/homophobic fujoshi is through non-canon shipping in non-BL media (even worse if it's FOTM fandoms like Arcane), they also don't get an opinion at all. The fact that nerdy spaces stopped being obnoxious and autistic about shit like this is the reason most anti-fujo takes are even entertained, no matter how false or nonsensical they may be. You have to read/watch/play actual honest to god BL if you want to shit on it, you need to be able to point to specific examples of your grievances that aren't just the same Okane ga Nai cover art over and over again.
I think the reason a lot of fujos aren't really open to the idea of gatekeeping is because it's something that's associated with annoying and stupid misogynistic male nerds, but I feel like it's about time we develop some standards because discourse has only gotten worse over time and most people who feel the need to share their hot takes couldn't name a non-turbo mainstream BL title to save their lives.
No.9783
>>9782I honestly agree but I think it's worth mentioning that a lot of fujos exclusively read doujin material/fanfics. Would you consider them to be part of the general fujo osmosis as long as they name their favorite doujin artists or would you consider them to be in a different category?
No.9784
>>9783ayrt, you're right and doujinshi/fanfic culture is very much integral to fujoshi culture itself, but I feel like my point would still be the same. Do you know the basics of doujin or slash history, do you know a little bit about the conventions where your favourite doujin artists sell their works, can you tell me why you hate specific common tropes like omegaverse without sounding like a faux academic gendie sperging about transmisogyny or whatever the fuck… My main point is that I want both fandom and non-fandom autists, both fans and haters alike, to at least know something about what they constantly sperg about that goes beyond twitter discourse. Like, could any of the people constantly bitching about AO3 and how much M/M content it has actually explain to me why they don't like those fics for any reason that isn't tribalism coated in fake feminist platitudes? I doubt it. I doubt they've even read any of those fics in the first place, honestly. Which is exactly my problem with modern fandom. Fandom discourse a constant game of telephone that becomes so far removed from the original material that at this point we could consider twitter discourse baiters their own not so little fandom.
No.9785
>>9784>can you tell me why you hate specific common tropes like omegaverseBecause it's gross. Simple as.
You start sounding like
>a faux academic yourself. What's next? Demanding essays to prove your 'tru&honest fan' worth?
No.9786
>>9784>I love doujinshi>Oh yeah? Name three conventions that aren't ComiketThat's a funny thought but that would be a block from me.
No.9787
>>9782>Start quizzing people on BL anime, ask them who their favorite BL mangaka is and what they think of the current state of BL in the industry and how they think danmei or BL manwha compares to standard Japanese BL mangaI've been a fujo for at least 20 years and I've never read BL manga or watched BL anime.
I'm pretty sure a lot of fujos don't consume pure BL either and are predominantly shippers. Am I a fake fujo for being purely a shipper, and not an Avid Consumer of Queer Media (tm)?
No.9788
>>9786I've read doujins (and zines) for probably a decade at this point and couldn't tell you a lot about cons because I'm an American who lives in the middle of nowhere…
No.9790
>>9782Honestly, I agree. I don't think its that hard to read bl manga if you consider yourself a fujo.
Not ever reading bl manga and not watching bl anime, not being able to remark on stuff happening in the source material, can *only* talk about fanfic?
Yeah, I'm sorry but I don't really think that you're a fujo the same way I don't think somebody who has never watched anime or read manga is a weeb because they read their kid's fanfic.
At least, there should be seperate categories. I'm tired of trying to start conversations with other fujo only to get "I don't read bl manga, they're kinda shit lol but have you seen this mafia au fanfic for Arcane?" and "anime is full of sexist tropes so I don't watch any, theres no reason to think about whats there, I just spend my time on wattpad".
Maybe have it be a "fanficer" or something.
No.9791
>>9790By that logic western fandom fujos aren't fujos unless they also watch canon gay TV shows or read gay literature.
No.9793
>>9791Why not read some books, tbh I've been wanting to get into reading more myself.
No.9794
>>9790people are fujos for different reasons, a ship from an anime or jrpg where romance is not the focus of the story is more appealing to some rather than reading about two people falling in love. it doesn't make them less of a fujo.
No.9795
>>9793I have tried but the gay books I've seen recommended have all been mediocre genre fiction imo.
>lmao but you still watch anime/read mangaIt's not that what I consume is superior, it's just what I happen to enjoy.
No.9796
>>9794>I have triedThen that's fine. Its not like something like Song of Achilles calls for that much commitment, its a single novel.
>>9794Thats when
>not being able to remark on stuff happening in the source materialIts one thing to like reading bait, its another when somebody doesn't have interest in the bait or story past tropes they can use for fanfic. Past experience, they're always very disrespectful too, calling the authors trash and garbage and making fun of the more genuine fans for taking their dolls too seriously.
No.9798
>>9787I've roughly been a fujo the same amount of time and also just don't feel the same way about original BL manga and anime. There was a period in highschool where I was reading everything scanlated regardless of quality and there are BL mangaka I really enjoy like Nakamura Asumiko, but I have no idea what's popular anymore on that front since all I read these days are fanfics. It's kind of hard to articulate why I like derivative romance but not original works. I think part of it is the works that got me into BL are things like Descendants of Darkness, Petshop of Horrors, and Clamp works. I've always preferred shonen ai with the underlying pining to series with romance as the main focus and I think fanfics are an extension of that it's just the mushy bits are by someone else not the main auhor.
I don't know if that makes any sense, but it's how I feel. Ignoring that though I think it's kind of goofy to say someone who's diet is 100% fanworks is somehow lesser than someone who engages with only original stuff. They're different but I wouldn't call one worse than the other.
No.9799
>>9795>mediocre genre fiction imoSame. With "romance" media in general (including BL/danmei) I feel like I have to trade "genuine interest" for "explicitly canon relationship". Outside of the sainted Yamane Ayano's Finder series I tend to not to really chew on BL after I put it down. Just once I would love for something I am already into to end with what I am already shipping being canon, you know?
I definitely think there should be some gatekeeping for fandom at large but "no true scotsfujo" tests would just divide us.
>>9798>fanfics are an extension of that it's just the mushy bits are by someone else not the main auhorIt's like this for me too. Fanfics are the free DLC to the source material. Your ending was bugged (locked into canon het)? There's a patch up on Ao3.
No.9805
>>9782>If they complain about misogyny/homophobia in BLAlso what they mean by misogyny in BL is "I don't have a female character i can see myself in i am literally dying right now reee"
That's what they mean.
Misogyny has to be one of to be most misused words to this day, and ironically it was used against other women the most.
No.9806
>>9785>Demanding essays to prove your 'tru&honest fan' worth?nta but i think anon was trying to make a difference between a "casual" fan and someone who actually, has real interest in whichever their hobby is.
I do think fujos can be both people who read bl and people shipping bl couples, shipping in the end is how bl came to be such a popular genre, it's like yumes and otome/shoujo, they are interchangeable imo.
Everyone starts somewhere obviously,i started with shipping a long time ago and from that i passed into junjou romantica and vns etc but the thing is, especially now people are literally just finding stuff on pinterest and tiktok, which they barely know anything about, and they pretend they are fans just because it's trending.
It's bothersome because like this you can't tell who is a real fan and is as dedicated like you are for example or who is just memeing together with their friends.
No.9808
Best characters in Ouran are Renge and the Lobelia girls, the guys+Haruhi are all kinda meh or annoying.
No.9809
>>9808I couldn't finish the anime because it's not really my type of humor and I'm sure the manga is better when it comes to how funny scenes are presented. The only characters I really liked were the twins. I found Haruhi boring as hell, she's just there to yell at the other characters when they say or do stupid shit. Worse than Shinpachi because at least in Gintama he also has his own retarded moments.
No.9818
Office romances are about as interesting as school romances, which is to say they're BORING AS FUCK.
No.9823
>>9818Office romance where one of the main guys doesn't get along with the super hot and popular guy from the sales department at first crack me up, you just know the mangaka don't know what sales departments in big companies do and it's all just a shortcut to say that the guy is so hot and charismatic he can sell one billion yen contracts to anyone at the snap of a finger. It's also funny when they invent random bullshit to make it look like the characters are totally busy and working overtime. I don't mind office romance by itself and like looking at fictional ikemen wearing well tailored suits but some scenes always make me do a double take.
No.9824
>>9818Tfw your ship don't even work in an office but a lot of their fic feels like people inserting standard office tropes and just making them do endless amounts of paperwork and business trips. Feels like a 'write what you know' sort of thing, it would at least be good if people remembered the actually interesting parts of their jobs sometimes. You also get all the fantasy elements of the universe totally stripped out sometimes to the extent that you could really just be reading a random office BL manga in fic form.
No.9827
>>9760>>9765Boueibu doesn't seem to have much of a fandom at all, I saw nothing about s3 and s4 most likely will get no traction in the West because it doesn't have a simulcast and fujos also don't like to watch these shows. I think joseimuke anime or even shounen that has an all guy cast for fujos like BSD doesn't become popular anymore (BSD is also an older series). I think Western fujos just changed, they don't want to write fanfics for joseimuke properties. They want to write where the most people are, and that's shounen. But now most of the popular shounen anime and series in the West aren't friendly for fujos or for fic writing if you want a cast with a lot of guys where you can write deviations from canon and there's rivalries and all the fun stuff.
>>9771It depends, gachashit like Hoyoslop is open for fic but the ships never have much to do with the main plot and the "company pushed" ships lack flavor because the company replies on fujos to do marketing and make free art while their real audience are incels. It's not worth being a literal second class citizen with Hoyoslop but again, Western fujos just don't like joseimuke. The only one that got popular was Twisted Wonderland and there you have to share with insane yumejoshis.
>>9782I don't think we should start saying it's wrong to ship noncanon in non BL media though. That's also fujoshi culture, that's how it got reclaimed in Japan. They were drawing noncanon ships from Gundam and Jojo and early sports anime. What fujos need to do is tell these people to shut up and that not writing someone's favorite het ship isn't misogyny and that they're not obligated to do it. If they really cared about more girls in fics, they would go after all the waifu moids. Ask them why they can't be bothered to write fics and why their only interest in waifus is ai generated porn and harem. But we know why these yumes and yuritroons don't go after men. They're too scared and too many fujos fold to them.
No.9832
>>9828VNs are dying out in the West because a lot of people in fandom now can't read. They literally can't read. They need cutscenes so they can post about "aura" and they only get their opinions about stories from streamers and tiktok. I'm not even exaggerating, many even admit they don't read and hate games that require reading.
No.9868
>>9832VN are dying everywhere, it's very well know there is a massive crisis in JP due to gacha eating most of the market.
No.9869
VN was never a good medium, broo I love reading novels but it has to be in bits where I have to click past the character changing expressions for 45 minutes, Norman Rockwell Freedom of Speech.
No.9870
>>9869>VN was never a good medium0/10 opinion
No.9871
>>9869Ignoring the hot take, I will admit it kinda annoys me that I have to click to get to the next line. Like I wish there was more text to read before having to click.
No.9872
>>9871You should look for NVLs, they're also allowed to be more creative with the layout of the text.
No.9873
>>9869What a retarded opinion, do you also complain about having to pass pages in comics/manga?
No.9875
>>9873Manga is much more stimulating than a bust making faces and crossing and uncrossing arms, better art styles too.
No.9876
>>9875for me it's the opposite, comic books or manga are not nearly as stimulating because everything is shown to me throu drawings, a vn or a book stimulates my imagination, even with the vn sprite you can still somewhat imagine the details.
No.9877
>>9872>only 93 nvl style vns with boy x boy>only 23 in english>some of those are furry and most are short, all are oevnsThis is a depressing selection
No.9884
>>9828>>9876I never considered before why I like VNs that much. I guess compared to manga and novels I just really appreciate voice acting and music to set the tone of a story.
No.9894
>>9893No matter the speed I set it at, it will always be either too fast or too slow.
No.10041
>>10038I didn't keep up with BHA, seemed like a whole lot of wasted potential that forgot to do the academia part of its title, but I do fondly remember spending a few days inventing stories about this guy. When you think about the sensitivity of bare skin, his tail was kinda shameless and in a constant position to make physical contact with people.
No.10162
>>10159I can't agree with the first two but everyone else I get why. A list with ukes you hate would be interesting too.
Random but in case you've read Jinx, what do you think about Jaekyung?
No.10163
>>10159I'd love to read your explanations for these. I haven't read bottom right, and I'm curious.
No.10164
>>10159I get it for bottom left. I didn't really like NTY on the whole
No.10165
>>10159I like top right, though maybe as a seme isnt the right way to call it.
I'm hoping Harada goes through with the switch idea that got mentioned in an anniversary comic No.10166
>>10162If I can think of enough ukes I hate I’ll make one
I haven’t read jinx (not really a manwha fan honestly) but I think the amount of rage he brings is fairly entertaining, apparently he’s just a huge piece of shit all around though kek
>>10163>YukiKind of my OG hated seme, I just don’t like the stoic type and the will they won’t they was super annoying to me (granted I also hated his uke in this case)
>Iason King of all stoics, and I liked Guy better. The cigarette scene is very iconic and goes hard though I can’t deny that.
>AsaichiHim punching his groupie was a big “fuck you dude” moment, he was already annoying me but that was when I was like “yeah this guy can get raped to death and I won’t give a shit”
>KaoruRetarded and not in a moe way, in a legit special needs way and I’m not into it (also his route’s twist was kinda stupid and forced)
>NanoAh yes, homeless people eating tree bark is soooo sexy! Seriously did anyone like this guy?
>TetsuoHe’s a boring stoic seme amongst two fun semes but he’s the only one who gets an actual route?! What were they thinking?
>HaruI just found him incredibly annoying (my best friend loves him so I feel bad kek)
>TakaraHis route was literal 12 year old’s creepypasta tier and he’s fucking repulsive to look at, his eyes are so creepy
>painter of the night guyHe’s just Sangwoo but with zero memeability and a stupid hat
No.10167
>>10166>If I can think of enough ukes I hate I’ll make oneBless you! Even just a 3~6 uke list would suffice.
>I haven’t read jinx (not really a manwha fan honestly)Makes sense. I asked since I saw the PotN seme and wondered why Jaekyung wasn't here kek
>I think the amount of rage he brings is fairly entertaining, apparently he’s just a huge piece of shit all around though kekHe's super funny if you look at Jinx like a slapstick comedy cartoon and don't take him seriously… which a lot of people don't do kek
I can only recommend it for his hilarious and retarded reactions.
No.10169
>>10167>Even just a 3~6 uke list would suffice.I tried my best kek, I wouldn’t say I hate most of these ukes as much as the semes (I guess ukes are just more loveable haha!)
> Jaekyung wasn't here kekLooking at him is legit scary, I feel like he could go full hulk smash and pop my head off without cracking a muscle
>He's super funny if you look at Jinx like a slapstick comedy cartoon and don't take him seriouslyOne of my favorite semes is Matsuda from paradise who’s basically king of domestic abusers and is so childishly violent his route becomes absolutely hilarious so I’d probably get a kick out of him, I might have to read it now just for comedic value.
No.10170
>>10166I'm the second AYRT and thank you! I only like one of those characters (
it's Haru), and I can acknowledge why people would hate him. I strongly agree about Tetsuo (Makoto was my favorite), and it sucks because I love sweet pool otherwise.
>TakaraI haven't played Paradise yet, but his design has put me off playing. There's something off about his face. Like there's not enough detail or something.
>painter of the night guyI've seen so many people recommend it as psychological, but I have a hard time getting into manhwa, and I didn't know if there was something uniquely awful about this particular one.
No.10171
>>10166>Him punching his groupie was a big “fuck you dude” moment, he was already annoying me but that was when I was like “yeah this guy can get raped to death and I won’t give a shit”I wonder if I have weird taste, I actually liked that. The guy was so closeted that he went overboard emotionally, lashed out uncontrollably and hurt others, and then got punished by rape. Only wish it would have focused in on his distress afterwards more. There's not much in that sort of direction, probably because it's definitely unpopular lol.
No.10172
>>10169Now for the reasonings:
>ShuichiHe’s just so annoying to me, he’s basically the uke equivalent of those girls who are like “YOU CAN GIVE ME AN ONION RING AS A WEDDING RING” with his forced quirkiness and how much of a doormat he is.
>MakiI already don’t like bara stuff so he’s a hard sell for me but if you wanted to have sex with a literal dead fish (even during rape) then Maki is the uke for you, seriously though even stoic semes don’t have shit on him with how dull he is.
>HirokiFirst in the issue of “side couple syndrome” the tsundere thing is pretty hard to pull off when you’re in your thirties but double that with being shitty compared to the main couple and his seme basically being the nicest possible guy makes him a pain to watch.
>YuriDrooling retard, I want to kill him.
>AtsumuI liked the main couple in the manga so going from them to this “UWU I’M SO SHYYY” type was so annoying, he’s not even cute to me so he just comes off as an annoying ass bitch constantly needing his boyfriend to help him wipe his ass
>Hye-SungThe will they won’t they shit annoyed me, I have no idea why I read almost to the end of this manhwa
>LonealThis one pains me because I think he’s really really cute, but holy shit if there was an award for weepy ukes he would win it! Every. Single. Chapter. He. Cries. Every single one! And I got caught up with the manga fully! (idk why) I do genuinely think he’s very cute but holy shit he must have major dehydration with how much he cries (even after the isekai princess gets a boyfriend he’s still crying about how he needs to cuck himself and get her together with his bf)
>SeijiIdk if I fully hate him but he’s pretty forgettable and that scene of him shitting was gross enough to get him a spot
>HiroshiThis VN just sucks in general (I have no idea why they picked it to translate), the only thing worth noting about him is that he’s pretty memeable with him randomly going from typical uke to sadist in one end (with some weird ass cow licking scene) and getting cola shoved up his asshole.
No.10173
>>10170I looove Makoto! I was so sad when I found out he only got one route and it wasn’t even a full one :(
>There's something off about his face. They tried to give him uguu eyes but the artist couldn’t draw them at all so he ends up looking like some creepy ass snake
>>10171I can see the appeal of it (and a lot of the other Harada semes honestly do a lot worse kek) but for me I guess what annoyed me is how it basically gets brushed off (by the groupie herself at least), doesn’t help that I just don’t really like seeing women get punched.
No.10176
>>10172>if you wanted to have sex with a literal dead fish (even during rape) then Maki is the uke for youThat ticked me off so much. Physically I liked him (and the old guy) a lot but jesus his sex scenes were just a waste of time. Borderline asexual shit. I think he only got a little livelier in the final one right at the end. Do Japanese fujos have a fetish for nonresponsive guys or what? Surely there's gotta be better ways to write stoic characters
No.10178
>>10166>Ah yes, homeless people eating tree bark is soooo sexy! Seriously did anyone like this guy?My favorite thing about Nano is how nobody gives a fuck about him so I can pretend he doesn't exist.
No.10179
>>10176>Do Japanese fujos have a fetish for nonresponsive guys or what?Maybe it’s a bigger thing in bara
No.10180
>>10179I read bara too, at least manga, can't say for vns, but even then the raped guys are visibly affected, unless they're outright knocked out or drugged
No.10181
>>10176>>10180I recall most of the guys being pretty unresponsive aside from Hiroyuki. From what I understand, Parade is a sister brand of Clockup. I'm not invested enough to do deep research into the staff but at first glance I would wonder if the writing staff they had for Parade just didn't 'get' BL at first because Clockup makes straight VNs. Though then again Nitro+Chiral is also a sister brand and the sex scenes in Togainu weren't like that.
No.10182
>>10172>he’s basically the uke equivalent of those girls who are like “YOU CAN GIVE ME AN ONION RING AS A WEDDING RING”Kek.
>if you wanted to have sex with a literal dead fish (even during rape) then Maki is the uke for youEven though I liked the VN, I did not like Maki's route for this reason. I found him pretty boring, but I've never liked stoic characters very much. I know his stoicism is the point, but it's just not a character type I enjoy.
No.10183
>>10181I think the intention with NTY was to make a VN that bridges the gap between bara and BL to appeal to both audiences, so they took tropes from both without understanding what made them appealing in each of their respective genres and awkwardly smashed them together
>BLge generally has more of a focus on plot while barage focuses more on sex so there's way too many sex scenes in the game with hastily added in plot at the end of the routes>They tried to put tsundere characteristics onto most of the characters but those don't work as well when the character themself isn't cute so it ends with them being a dead fish >bisexual protagonist in the sense that he's constantly talking about how much he loves fucking tits and dick instead of in the more subdued way that BL protagonists act.They kind of had the better idea with room no 9 (making it a gay version of euphoria) since that does have a niche audience it could appeal to.
No.10185
I don't understand the appeal of genderbends. I don't mean like, "hey, it would be cool to see what this character would look like as the opposite sex. I'm going to draw it, and that will be the end of it." I'm talking about things like taking characters from a BL series, turning one of them female, and making a ship het. This isn't an unpopular opinion on this site (or in most fujo communities), but I think this next part might be: I also don't understand when people take two female characters or a male and female character, and then make them both male. I just don't understand the appeal. I don't mind when people do it, and I don't mean any hate toward anyone who does enjoy this, but it is something I can't appreciate because changing their sexes will fundamentally affect how those characters interact with the world, thereby making the characters different people from who they otherwise would've been. Thus, they're no longer the same people as the characters I came to like. For example, in a generic medieval setting, if you change the princess to a prince, he will have different expectations from his family, he will not face the same type of sexism his female counterpart would face, and his relationship with the knight will now be forbidden by his family because they cannot produce an heir. Even if you keep his personality the same, he's now a completely different character. At that point, why not make them OCs?
No.10186
>>10185Same, it just fundamentally changes who the character is in a way thst is unappealing in fic. While genderbend art is cool I have zero interests in doujins of it.
No.10188
>>10185>For example, in a generic medieval setting, if you change the princess to a prince, he will have different expectations from his family, he will not face the same type of sexism his female counterpart would face, and his relationship with the knight will now be forbidden by his family because they cannot produce an heir.I think this kind of thing can be interesting under a competent writer/artist, specially if the character is still (assumedly) acting in-character despite the sex change.
I can like yuribends but not so much hetbends, but what I tend to hate about hetbends is when it's too "obviously" meant to be some sort of self-insert replacement or often made for just coomerbait purposes. Yuribends can work really if you only wonder "I want to see my otp as cute girls" but you need to be attuned to like girls in general,
and most of the time people don't bother to think far beyond "I want them to look like girls".
No.10189
>>10185Yeah people acting as if changing the gender won't affect the dynamics or how the character is perceived in a fundamental way are playing obtuse. The same goes for the "if he was a female character then you would all hate her" accusations. Whether we like it or not we have certain expectations and core ideals for how a representative of a gender would behave and how others would interpret their actions as, and I don't mean shit like "girls only like pink stuff and makeup and boys like cars and blue stuff" but rather stuff like "I would be fine with this male character being abusive to another male character because men are on equal footing and don't experience gendered violence, but in a heterosexual setting it would be absolutely fucked up" or "I fucking hate this trope that's overused in female characters in a derogatory way but it's subversive to see it applied to a male character". Everyone knows it but they pretend not to be aware just to frame fujos as having "double standards".
No.10221
>>10185I think genderbends are fine within reason. Like, it's not hurting anyone nor do I give a shit. It only starts becoming a problem when people wokeify the concept or turns it into headcanon.
No.10237
>>10222See I'm with the other nonna that while this art is cute I still wouldn't go out of my way to read MaleReimu/MaleYukari. It's just not the same characters and too big of a deviation from canon for me. I'd rather read Rinnosuke/OMC if I really needed 2hu yaoi.
Cute speculative designs aren't enough to sway me evennif they're fun.
No.10295
i made a post here around a year ago complaining about the bottom geto side of the fandom when it comes to the satosugu ship.
well, i'm back to set things straight and clean up their name.
it's not the bottom geto part that is the problem. sure, there's annoying and ~toxic~ people in there too, but the real issue are the bottom gojos, and here's why:
1) they're more likely to be antis. i think bottom gojo attracts a younger audience because gojo is the 'it guy' of jujutsu kaisen, so shit-tok fans flock to the dynamic where he takes it up the ass, given it's a well documented fact that most fans prefer seeing their fave bottoming. a lot of bottom gojos are moral panic, pearl clutchers hypocrites underage girls who will sperg out at smut of them as 17 years old, let alone anything naughtier
2) it's aiden central, and with a twist. for some reason, maybe because gojo looks arguably a bit more masculine than geto (taller and yeah, broader too even though bottom gojos will deny this, shorter hair etc.) he might be a better self-insert for trans guys, so there's considerably more art and fics of trans gojo/cuntboy than trans geto. if that's your thing fret not, it's still bad. because i've read many complaints of trans guys regarding how trans gojo is portrayed most of the times. turns out it's done in an insensitive way that ~triggers~ them a lot, such as apparently calling trans dude gojo "woman-things" anyways
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No.10296
>>102953) mischaracterization. bottom gojo fans in order to push their agenda blatantly disregard canon facts of the manga and the characters' actual personalities. this is because gojo all in all fits the seme stereotype better than geto, so they exaggerate gojo's vulnerable and cutesy traits rewriting history so that it makes more sense for him to bottom. the result is a completely different from the story, cringe daddy dom geto and a woobified gojo that acts like a literal child. it's not that it's 'weird' because i dont care about moralizing fiction, but it is still very irritating, ooc and personally just not my thing. also, they dont stick to this in their fics only, but insist this is the reality of the canon material too when it’s just not and throw tantrums if everyone doesn't agree with them
4) they harass more and lack fandom etiquette. since they're the majority (in the western part of the fandom only though), usually younger and were shaped up by tiktok and to a degree twitter, they are louder and more annoying and literally don't know how to co-exist in a fandom space. they will go under bottom geto posts and comment shit like "gojo bottoms though!", leave hate under bottom geto fics, and go as far as creating fake bottom geto accounts to give these shippers a bad name by acting like psychos while impersonating a bottom geto fan.
there is more too actually, but this got too long. as i said, bottom getos aren't perfect either and overall the jujutsu kaisen fandom is a trainwreck no matter where you turn, but bottom gojos are literally some of the worst shippers i've ever seen in my 10+ years of being a fujo
No.10298
>>10297i completely agree with you nonna. i'm not a big fan of switching in general, but they're one of those ships that scream "switch" to me. bottom gojos being this annoying turns me off from the dynamic a lot though.
do you have any other switch ships?
No.10299
>>10296This isn't really about your ship, but
>gojo all in all fits the seme stereotype better than getoMy hot take is that I really don't care about characters in ships fitting those 'stereotypes' at all, and I disagree with people who decide that certain characters are 'absolute' tops or bottoms for every dynamic, if that makes sense. Topping/bottoming depends more on the ship, like for example in the AxB ship i would want A to top, but in a CxA ship I want A to bottom. I don't understand people who are so extreme about it and insist that their blorbo must bottom for every character in the series or that no dicks can ever go near his ass.
No.10300
>>10299i get what you're saying nona, but i think there are physical and personality characteristics that are culturally associated with topping more than bottoming and vice-versa. i'm not saying that one has to base their preference around said characteristics at all, and even as more of a tradjoshi i recognize the appeal of choosing a more unpredictable dynamic.
the thing is that these shippers will intentionally warp canon information to make gojo be more immediately associated with an uke role (claim he has a more delicate physique than geto, that his personality isn't actually rowdier) and insist it's canon facts when it's not. but regardless, i ofc think one can pick their t/b preferences without being influenced by which choice would make 'more sense'
No.10302
>>10296>cringe daddy dom geto and a woobified gojo that acts like a literal childThank god I'm not the only one who thinks gego is ooc. I don't mind it in theory but in practice what I've seen with my own two eyes was barely recognizable characters. And I avoid the English speaking side of the fandom so here I'm talking about the Japanese and Korean fans drawing doujinshi where Gojo and Geto look like themselves but don't act like themselves at all regardless of sex scenes.
No.10304
>>10302so even the asian fandom suffers from this issue… to me, as for you, bottom gojo is fine, i can see the switch appeal for satosugu and i'm not one to police what other people like. however it is definitely veeery ooc, and that would be okay if it stayed in the confines of dojinshi/fics. but their shippers want to push their narrative as canon and harass everyone who disagrees with their ao3 kaisen
No.10305
>>10297As some guy on twitter once said, they're more freaky frotters than anything.
>>10304The Asian side doesn't have the pro and anti drama frol Western fandoms and fans tend to be actual fans and not kids readinf badly translated leaked pages in the wronf order on tiktok, but everything you said about how Gojo and Geto are portrayed in gego doujinshi and art is true. It's always Gojo becoming a bit shorter than he really is for some reason, Gojo acting like a kawaii uguu waifu saying no all the time with tears in his eyes and blushing like a tomato but Geto is stoic, just smirk or blushes a tiny little bit, smokes even more than Shoko, like who the fuck are these people? The ones who don't do it tend to not ship them in a specific order and often draw and ship both goge and gego, and tag their sfw art as 五夏五 or 夏五夏 to indicate there's no fixed order in their art. Even when goge fans make them ooc it hapoens a lot less often imo.
No.10369
i'm a sex-negative profic/proship (i hate these terms but i need them to paint the picture). i have no sexual trauma that i know of but the reality of sex/sexuality depresses me a bit, randomly. we exist. ive gotten way better with dealing with this particular issue as time went on, and now it resurfaces only on occasion. even when i was at the height of my hatred for how human sexuality works i was still very in favor of all kinds of fictional expressions of horniness, and never once used words like fetishization to refer to attraction. ive met quite a few people who feel the same way (especially artists)
i find a more bizarre combination that a lot of antis are very sexual and horny post on main often etc. and all in all seem very happily in touch with this sphere of life. this puritanism antis are depicted as having hasn't been entirely true in my experience, at least not when it comes to sex as a whole
No.10501
I don't particularly mind when one of the guys in my favorite ship gets in a relationship with a woman because I think cheating is hot.
No.10502
>>10501Do you mean cheating on the woman with another man or cheating on him with a chick? I can only get behind the former, but yeah I agree and it's why one half of my pairing canonically getting with a woman won't stop me lol.
No.10503
>>10501You're a stronger woman than me nonna, I get so mad when they give my blorbos canonical romances. Normies who want their male self-inserts mcs to have girlfriends never put as much passion into fandoms as fujos do, why do they always get to have everything while we continue to be ostracized? They won't even appreciate it as much as a fujo would appreciate a little fanservice. But it's also my fault for continuing to hyperfixate on media that isn't fujo-oriented
No.10508
I don't really mind the fact more 'problematic' bl is gaining traction. I've been able to make more friends and I'm glad younger ppl are getting off their imaginary high horses over fiction. I also just think it's funny to watch people come up with excuses and defenses to liking said problematic bl kdjkdksl
No.10509
>>10508>more 'problematic' bl is gaining tractionIs it really? Is the world finally healing?
No.10510
>>10509I do see a lot of pushback to antis, lately. It makes me smile every time I see people telling them to get therapy and that they're mentally ill for confusing fiction and reality. Nature is healing.
No.10511
>>10509>>10510I have noticed a lot of pushback to the point where you can easily tell that most antis now are either 12, homophobic, or yumes (a lot of them hate seeing ships of their husbando). Just a few years ago they had more variety and now they are on life support because the main fandom contributors have gotten fed up with them. They’ll probably crop back up again eventually, fandom tends to do that thing where they rehash the same topics with different wokespeak.
No.10518
>My unpopular opinion among fujochan nonasSome ships I have are reversible
>My unpopular opinion among other fujosI'm still a sucker for the Badass Seme x Weepy Uke, even though I like it better when the characters in a ship are still in character.
>>10511I've seen himes join in on the hate, but those guys are usually underage or TIMs or both
No.10519
>>10369 I have similar feelings and I totally get you nona, I've seen a lot of antis who are happily into BDSM etc. but get mad over noncon fics and such its so weird. I don't understand what kind of cognitive dissonance they have.
No.10520
>>10519Isn't that what caused the rise in traffic light colors and establishing consent every 5 minutes? That stuff ends up coming off as creepier than just respecting your partner's body language and I say this as someone who has written a ton of noncon.
No.10526
>>10511Being an anti is getting increasingly passé, the kids who were caping for the anti rhetoric in 2017 are now well into their 20's and either left shipping altogether or realized how stupid they sound. The leftovers are literally 12-year olds parroting 15-year olds rehashing the discourse for tiktok views barely even understanding half of the words.
No.10527
>>10526I wish, still plenty of grown ass adults well into their 30s doing this shit. At least pushback to this stuff is the norm in some spaces such as the Ao3 reddit but your average youtube or webtoon comment section is still depressingly bleak. I still have many ships that no one can mention openly without someone immediately going 'BUT AGE GAP'
No.10539
>>10527nta but I fully believe anyone who is still doing fandom discourse shit into their 30s will never grow out of it. very bleak
No.10557
>>10526No, they're still antis. Antis basically have total cultural victory in fandom, at least on social media. Many of them like to pretend to be mature and into some dark media, which is why cannibalism and "toxic yaoi" are memes for them, but they'll still go after people for shipping incest, or any age gap, or calling random ships "proships". Many of them didn't grow out of it, there's people turning 30 who talk like this now.
No.10558
>>10527I made the mistake of reading the comments for Oni to Tengoku and the sheer volume of dumb children commenting there was disconcerting.
>an unpopular opinionI think its more interesting when a bl relationship has no or very little penetration. It's even more interesting when a distinct 'uke' and 'seme' still manage to exist in that environment.
No.10570
>>10558>I think its more interesting when a bl relationship has no or very little penetration.Based. I also get pissed off when they start doing something else, and it inevitably devolves into penetration.
No.10572
>>10571Same anon as 10558.
Ah picrel reminds me of how much I enjoyed that doujin. Will have to reread!
Unfortunately, I have not really encountered 'no penetration' stuff, aside from what you mentioned and an original fic on AO3 that I had in mind when posting. Alas. Guess I better learn to draw so I can just make my own stuff kek
No.10574
>>10571I'm the other AYRT. Sadly not many. I went through the document I keep of all the yaoi manga I've read, and I think these are the only ones.
>Usagi no MoriMy Personal Yaoi Review Doc says there was no penetration up to the point where the manga left off, so that's probably a decent pick. It was unfinished at Chapter 14 when I read it, so I don't know if anything has changed since then. I should go see if it's updated.
>Hishakai ShindoI also wrote there was no dick-in-asshole penetration in this one, and I think it's complete. I think there might've been
finger-in-asshole, though. I also wrote that the conflict in one character's backstory was retarded, so I don't know if it's worth reading.
>ChintsubuIt's been years, and I don't remember for sure, but I know one of the two main couples flat-out cannot have penetrative sex. I remember for sure that this is discussed in the manga, but I don't remember about the other main couple. It's a joke manga, though, so you shouldn't read it if you want something serious.
No.10575
>>10574Thank you for your extensive notes nonna!
I don't know that your censored note counts, not that I think about it…
I suppose I considered penetration to be dick in butt, but idk if fingers or like, a dildo, would count. No.10576
>>10571>bl relationship that has no penetrationNTA but aren't most works like this just categorised under shounen ai these days?
No.10578
>>10576Shounen ai isn't even a real category. It's a meme westoid term that refers to pederasty in its native Japanese.
No.10580
>>10578Wow I need to stop reply to stuff at work. In a new non typoladdened response I'll add that I still use shonen ai even though I know it's inaccurate because it's the term I've been using for close to 20 years and old habits are hard to break. I guess that counts as an unpopular opinion now. If someone else could make a new sfw term I might switch to it though.
No.10581
>>10576I'm one of the anons who was part of the "penetration in BL" conversation, and I'm pretty sure we were all referring to BL where there is sexual content, just specifically not penis-in-asshole sex, if that makes sense? I've only see shonen ai used to refer to SFW BL, and not BL where they still do things outside of that.
>>10575>I don't know that your censored note countsFunny you say that. I actually had a big internal debate before posting the list of recommendations about whether anons would count it or not kek. I wouldn't count it either, but I didn't know how others would feel.
No.10582
>>10581>I'm pretty sure we were all referring to BL where there is sexual content, just specifically not penis-in-asshole sexCould not have phrased it better myself. imo, shounen ai as used by western fans refers only to non explicit male/male manga.
> I wouldn't count it either, but I didn't know how others would feel.AYRT, and yeah. I suppose there's two parts to penetration: the guy being penetrated and the guy doing the penetrating. If one of these parts is missing (ie, someone fucking an onahole, or fingering), I think it falls into a very grey area. I would not count it as penetration but I would understand why some people would.
No.10583
>>10580I just call it "sfw BL." It literally takes less characters to type than the erroneous shounen ai anyway.
No.10613
I like it when the seme has an average size dick, hate huge dicks. I have a strong aversion towards the bottom getting hurt by penetration, even if its rough sex or BDSM scenario, just the idea of internal injuries makes me very squeamish. I know anal sex is always kind of painful in reality but in my fantasy world the uke just hurts for the first five seconds and then its all good lol. I don't want to hear stuff like 'it's too big' or 'its tearing up my insides' etc. I also don't like micropenis stuff, the guys should both just be normal sized, the seme's slightly bigger.
However I have one particular ship where the bottom is way more muscular than the skinny top, in this ship alone I like the idea of him having a bigger dick than the top, since big dicks=peak masculinity, I like the idea of a dude with the 'ideal masculine body' bottoming and never getting to actually put his dick 'to proper use', it's weirdly hot.
No.10629
>>10628I used to read a lot of fanfics long ago but now I don't even think about it. AO3 became trash last time I checked so I gave up after finding nothing but the most OOC americanized garbage. I care a lot more about fanart and doujnshi instead.
No.10630
>>10628No I love both reading and trying to write fanfiction, but I'm curious don't you run out of fanworks fast? From my experience I'm lucky if my ship gets 5 doujins much less translated ones.
No.10631
>>10628I was like you for several years and always dismissed fanfic as low-quality garbage done by american teens but now that I'm writing fanfic myself because my ship is so dead and I can't write,
I still don't like other people's fanfic, in fact it makes me hate it more because it makes me realize how much fanfic authors don't care about characters put putting their personal fetishes on to them, I have to unfortunately get used to it but I still am incredibly selective. I don't think my fic is a miracle of modern writing but eh, I've also seen doujin with terrible plot
No.10632
>>10628I stopped reading fanfiction about ten years ago, fanart and my own imagination feed me.
No.10633
>>10628It depends on the fandom, tbh I love fanfic but most big fandoms fics are OOC fetish slop so I only really read fics for small fandoms.
No.10634
>>10628What do you dislike about fanfiction? Is it the lack of visual stimulation? Do you read books, nonna? I am a ficfag and always have been, but I was also a voracious reader as a kid and went into a writing-adjacent career lol. Most fanfic is garbage but I bet there's something out there for you.
No.10636
ayrt
>>10630>don't you run out of fanworks fast? not really, the ships i like arent super niche and even if, i usually draw my own stuff or just use my imagination
>>10631>low-quality garbage done by american teens pretty much what it is in my head, even tho ive seen so many nonas in here talking about writing it and so on ive never really gotten that picture out of my head
>>10634>What do you dislike about fanfiction? Is it the lack of visual stimulation?if im being honest, it probably is
im not bad at using my imagination but fanfics (or books at that, i dont really read those either if im being honest) just dont trigger that
i thought that it might have something to do with me being an artist myself and due to that just being more interested into other artists works
No.10639
>>10636Sounds like you've never actually read a fic before? I get it, on the one hand you'd find a lot of garbage which is as you describe, but there can be the odd decent or good one. I can tolerate terrible prose as long as the characters are not OOC and the plot is good. I will power through barely readable stuff google translated from Chinese and cracking the code on what words are supposed to be the characters' names if the story seems relevant to me.
But I definitely have been spending a lot more time writing my own fic than reading anyone else's lately. My most recent ships have been in pretty big fandoms and it was amazing just how little good fic there was in English for them, I'm not even trying to brag when I say my stuff might have actually been the best in there, but the bar is literally on the floor when the rest is melodramatic omegaverse baby drama, AI generated smut, bad modern AUs and other OOC shit that seems like it came off wattpad.
No.10640
>>10639>but the bar is literally on the floor when the rest is melodramatic omegaverse baby drama, AI generated smut, bad modern AUs and other OOC shit that seems like it came off wattpad.Part of it is probably kids just not reading anymore so fandoms that skew young take forever to wade through. It used to be people who were ibto fanfic at least had the baseline of having been into Harry Potter or Interview with the Vampire, nowadays I don't think kids read anything without pictures, not even shitty YA. I'm still team fanfic though, most of the franchises I'm into aim older and for the series that aren't it encourages me to try my hand.
The real frustrating thing is feeling like your efforts aren't rewarded, my 10k+ stories I feel really passionate about get 4 Kudos because it's a rarepair, but a month or so ago I put out anon 800 word smut written in a single sitting and it got 200 Kudos even though it's shit. The public has no taste.
No.10641
>>10628I was like you for the majority of my life (as in, until about a year ago). I was very vocal to my friends about not reading fanfiction, not in a judgmental way, but just because I couldn't understand the appeal. If I tried to read it, would usually end up wondering why they didn't just make it original fiction. For me, fanfic never made sense, and although I tried, I could not get into it. However, I read a particular story last year that, for reasons I can't explain without giving away the name of the property, pushed me into reading fanfiction for the first time in my life. I now do read it, but almost exclusively for this one specific property, and I have a bunch of stipulations on what the fic can or cannot contain (no AUs, must be canon-compliant, etc). I still don't love fanfic overall, but I have to admit it's nice for that one specific property.
No.10642
>>10640>Part of it is probably kids just not reading anymore so fandoms that skew young take forever to wade throughYeah, my experience has been that with animanga fandoms the fic that was written before anime adaptation is always the best. If it's popular shonen it'll be just wattpad kids.
>The real frustrating thing is feeling like your efforts aren't rewarded, my 10k+ stories I feel really passionate about get 4 Kudos because it's a rarepair, but a month or so ago I put out anon 800 word smut written in a single sitting and it got 200 Kudos even though it's shit. The public has no taste.I sort of relate in the opposite way because I have some very short fics that I love and wish did better. If your 800 word smut was for Genshin or something else more popular than your rarepair then sadly, that's just how it is. What's been making me go crazy is comments totally drying up when you used to get them before. My expectations are already nothing when posting rarepairs but for an actually popular ship if I'm a month or more in with no comment I will be wasting away.
No.10644
I’m in a fandom where the AO3 section is 99% garbage with the extremely rare genuine gem. I have better luck in non-English languages, oddly enough, but there’s still trash there too. Sturgeon’s law innit.
>>10640I miss the literacy rates of the early 2000s, writers would get excoriated for the shit that gets uncritically praised today.
No.10645
>>10642Related, but I fucking hate those AI spam comments from the art scammers. What a hassle. Though comments in general stress me out in a way I feel stupid explaining. I'd prefer kudos, since if I don't reply to a comment right away it just sits there and makes me feel bad. Like every hour I'm not responding I'm being rude. Stupid self-imposed pressure.
No.10647
>>10645I received one before that I didn't realise for a while was a spambot, but now they're getting scarily believable and will actually pull quotes from your fic and keysmash. I'm very glad to have not been targeted by these very much, at least.
Also I have replied to comments almost a year later before. It does get embarrassing but fuck it, kudos don't give me enough nutrients. (Though I do get excited if a fave writer has kudosed me)
No.10648
I like bl because I'm a dirty straight whore who likes two men doing it. Everything else is for taste and color.
No.10665
>>10645I got one on a fic I wrote over 20 (TWENTY!!!) fucking years ago. It was for a pretty dead fandom so I was excited to see the alert. ( ; ω ; )
>>10640>nowadays I don't think kids read anythingIt's this. They don't develop the eye for prose as a craft and instead go with paint-by-numbers tropes for easy engagement. No taste indeed.
>>10644>I miss the literacy rates of the early 2000sThere's no way to phrase this that doesn't sound like bragging but the scam review actually got me to revisit the stuff I had posted on ff.net and I was honestly surprised with how well I wrote for my age (14-19) compared to what I'd call the average these days.
No.10677
>>9452Funny enough, I liked the other couples but number 3 in your picrel was my favorite. I wonder if it's a "potential" thing that never came to be…
>>9456>threesomes and polyshipsAlways hated those too, it just negates any possible rivalry or drama in fanwork if "everyone is smitten with eachother". Like come on, we need the tension, otherwise where is the fun?
>>9562I have had a fixation on inazuma eleven for years, because it checks so many boxes for me. It was also my gateway to sports series in general, though I never got into them as much. I guess they felt kind of bland in comparison. But idk, I haven't rewatched any othe sports anime besides ie, so to be taken with a grain of salt.
>>9760>boueibu season 4This is the best news I got these past 30 days!
>>10628I've never been into fanfiction until now, because I couldn't handle reading (my attention span is weak, lol). Though I decided to give it a try, and I have no regrets because it fuels my imagination in new ways! I mean, I still read every now and then because I love drawing above all, but at least my brain feels stimulated in some way.
No.10696
>>10677>Always hated those too, it just negates any possible rivalry or drama in fanwork if "everyone is smitten with eachother". Like come on, we need the tension, otherwise where is the fun?I'm of the opinion that most anything can be interesting if its written well, but man has poly never been interesting. It either wrecks the tension of the best pair of the three, or there was no tension in the first place because it was written by a 14 year old and features grown men blushing about holding hands.
Maybe its me, but sometimes you just really want a character to be miserable and alone.
No.10742
Probably not an unpopular opinion here but anyway:
Writing fanfic as a form of personal therapy, projecting your sadbrainz and life issues onto someone else’s character is fine. Posting it online is fine. Some people will relate I guess. But expecting everyone to give you asspats and no one to be like, “wait a minute, you’re not writing about the characters, you’re writing about yourself. This does not meet my expectations” and getting butthurt when someone dares to speak up about it, that’s not cool. People should be allowed to call out false advertisement. Even for free content.
No.10744
>>10742Sometimes I've read fics that while you can tell the author is putting their own issues out there it ends up working surprisingly well. It probably depends on the character.
Sometimes it's like "Oh if character already has this problem in canon it fits if they're also upset about ABC".
I've only read one where the author was really out there with the venting, taking a canon virgin character and then saying he had loads of weirdly specific partners that didn't even match canon like "german ballerina" and some poly couple, and was the character was insulting all of them. Like I don't know how to describe it without putting the fandom and author on blast but I think she put her entire list of ex partners down and said this was the characters body count kek
No.11046
I don't care for nipple play, it's something I've never found hot, but it doesn't bother me either. Wish I could get into it tho, I wanna see more lewd scenarios without penetration.
No.11048
Vampires are such boring fantasy monsters. I couldn’t care less about vampires. Give me monster boys or werewolf boys or literally anything else.
>>11046Nipple play is something that never ever turns me on myself, but it can be hot in yaoi if the guy gets embarrassed about it or aroused. Not into the BOING nipple stuff though, anything going in the nipples, or lactation (unless the guy is embarassed and it's against his will as a body horror / humiliation / "what's going on??" thing. Then lactation is maybe okay sometimes).
No.11050
>>11048I get it. I like the aesthetic of vampires but aside from that something about them feels very hetero-coded to me so I'm not really interested. Maybe it's just me remembering the period of time when Twilight took off but that mindset has stuck.
No.11051
>>11048Vampires can be fun if their more monstrous mythos are pulled from, but usually it starts encroaching on werewolves. I’m pretty sure werewolves and vampires evolved from the same mythos though so that might be why.
>>11050>very hetero-codedI used to be like this until I read Dracula. I think twilight definitely made vampires more straight in the public eye. And the fact that most Dracula adaptations kinda just delete all the homoerotic subtext of the novel doesn’t help public perception of vampires.
No.11052
>>11051>>11048>>11050Part of why you perceive them as boring is the fact that they are often just a pale guy right? Visually I feel most people don't really try to make them stand out at all, even BL works I like such as Crimson Cross with nice gothic atmospheres get old if they all just look like humans. I struggle to eve consider them Monster Boys.
No.11054
>>11052how monster-like do you want them? any examples?
No.11057
>>11054I want them to at least have claws or pointy ears, but if they are least look sufficiently otherworldly I can rock with it. Vampire Hunter D or Alucard are examples of vampires I like. The worst offenders are stuff like Vampire Knight or as mentioned before Twilight where visually the characters might as well be human.
No.11061
>>11058Do you mean oni? I find the threat of flesh eating way more appealing than blood sucking, somehow my brain conjures a much more predatory behavior from it. I guess because they're not supposed to leave someone alive after.
No.11278
Apparently some of my opinions are unpopular, but given my age and time online…
> The increasing amount of moralfags in fujo-fudan cricles is annoying
> Korean BL is full of western influence and bullshit, i only like a very few amount of webtoons (usually from authors that have manga-like styles)
> Chinese BL is good but western fans are a pain in the ass to deal with
> Omegaverse being soften lately just to appeal sensitive readers is making me sick.
> NU: Carnival game will never become better if it keeps having shitty competition, i love the characters and the story but all 2025 felt it got stuck
No.11279
>>10159Im honestly curious why you hate Kaoru
No.11280
>>11278> Korean BL is full of western influence and bullshit, i only like a very few amount of webtoonsI saw somewhere where Korean manwha was described as every single character having BPD, and that's the best summary of it that I've ever seen. The chaebol mindset in every Korean BL is really grating to read, and I generally find the sweatshop art and the 3d backgrounds to be really ugly
I am aware the artists are under crazy time pressure and they have to take short cuts to hit deadlines. It's still ugly. There are some great Korean BLs (Ennead and Killing Stalking are stand outs to me), but the average Korean BL is much worse than the average Japanese or Chinese BL.
No.11304
I generally do not enjoy age gap with minors and adults. I know, I know, "that's not an unpopular opinion" I kind of think it is in fujo spaces and I want to put my thoughts down so hush.
I used to be really into age gaps, I even have ships for series like Detective Conan, but I've realized that I haven't had a new age gap ship in years and most recent series with the potential for one just don't hook me. It's probably in part due to growing up and being more able to place myself in the older character's shoes or maybe my tastes just changed. I still enjoy 20something/40+something with a bit of power imbalance and I don't think anyone is wrong for enjoying stuff like student x teacher, it's not a moral thing. I just don't find the dynamic interesting unless you really want to play around with guilt and other fucked up unhealthy scenarios, which statistically people shipping pre-established characters just tend to ignore in favor of porn or sanitizing the pair. Even then, call me a sap, but I do want my ships to long term end up in a healthy relationship, which again, I don't find realistic or compelling for most minor/adult ships. Bit of a catch-22 I suppose and another reason I've decided it's just not for me.
No.11305
>>11304I'm super picky with minor/adult ships so I get it. I'm anal about characterisation so 99% of them don't appeal to me because it would mean the adult is a pedo and I can't see characters like Reigen(Mob psycho 100) or Masaki(Tsurune) as pedos. Sebaciel is the only ship of this kind I can get into off the top of my head because characterisation-wise of course a demon wouldn't give a shit about human morality and Ciel is canonically messed up in the head and self-destructive.
No.11306
>>11305But aren't timeskips always an option?
No.11307
>>11305I love age gap but feel the same as you. I rarely find minor/adult ships I can enjoy and mostly stick to my OCs.
No.11311
>>11304I feel the same that it aint a moral thing. I usually dont enjoy age gaps if i cant relate to the minor, or i dont like the top. I just dont find minor characters attractive and they are mostly the main focus while seme looks generic :P
No.11317
>>11306Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of an adult/minor ship?
No.11320
>>11317It does if you're into the adult/minor part, but if you're basically in the 'would ship the dynamic if one wasn't a minor' camp then isn't that what timeskips are for? Sometimes there are canon timeskips in many shonen epilogues too. That teenage MC isn't going to be teenage forever.
Sometimes it does get ridiculous though. I'm an age gap enjoyer and find it stupid when people feel the need to reduce the gap to something like 2 years in addition to aging down the older character. (And then sometimes still have the characters act like it's a barrier to them getting together kek) At least keep the actual difference while aging them up or it completely changes the dynamic between them.
I've also got to point out that the setting of canon can completely change the vibes of these sorts of ships. For example, in historical settings where teens getting married and starting families weren't uncommon, the adult character won't necessarily have 'creepy pedo' vibes like
>>11305 mentioned (unless it's pretty blatant like that guy from Elusive Samurai). It hits a lot different in a modern day setting.
No.11325
>>11305I can handwave it if the older character is experiencing guilt or struggling with their feelings towards a younger partner. I like the taboo in fiction, but characterization really does make or break it and I say that as somewhat of a shotafag.
No.11649
I fucking hate heated rivalry and it's obnoxious fans.
The show is mid
No.11650
>I love tall ukes so I despise the pooners and activist fujos trying to ruin my fetish.
>I HATE CUNTBOYS/TRANNY tropes. FUCK OFF. JUST MAKE HETERO SEX INSTEAD THEN.
>Dom/sub universe is the most retarded shit and I'm glad it's dead in the global fujo sphere.
>Thanks to trannies I'm not interested in crossdressing and femboy tropes no matter how cute they look.
>I don't need my ships to be canon and I'm perfectly content with canon non-gay relationships.
>The fact that yumejos and fujos are beefing with each other is so fucking funny when both groups are delusional degens.
>activist bitches should stop being retarded and just admit they love men and are just as degenerate as the moids they hate. You don't need walls of retarded academic feminist terminology to justify why [A] should fuck [B]. Shipping isn't activism and I want to beat up anyone who thinks it is.
>Fujos crying about people hating them should just suck it up and block people. Nobody is required to like or tolerate you. We're a (loud as fuck) minority sis, get over it. The straights are starting to be hostile towards fujos now because some are being annoying retards on non-gay fandoms. I will not defend you when you're crying about "queerbaiting" and people are rightfully dunking on your stupid ass.
No.11658
>>11649is it illegal for western BLs to cast decent looking actors? i couldn't even get past the first 20 seconds
No.11660
>>11650>I love tall ukes so I despise the pooners and activist fujos trying to ruin my fetish. I agree!!! One of my fave tropes I love when the seme has to try harder to assert control over the uke like pulling them down, and just the look of the shorter guy on top when they're horizontal is sexy. It sucks that so many people are allergic to anything but short!ukes even when canonically they're the same height.
>I HATE CUNTBOYS/TRANNY tropes. FUCK OFF. JUST MAKE HETERO SEX INSTEAD THEN.I agree and I find cuntboy sooo much more misogynistic than if they had just written normal PIV.
>Thanks to trannies I'm not interested in crossdressing and femboy tropes no matter how cute they look. Yup same, fandoms are incapable of seeing a GNC guy and keeping him a guy he has to be trans because god forbid a guy TRIES to look cute without being a sexpest.
>Fujos crying about people hating them should just suck it up and block people. Nobody is required to like or tolerate you. We're a (loud as fuck) minority sis, get over it. The straights are starting to be hostile towards fujos now because some are being annoying retards on non-gay fandoms. I will not defend you when you're crying about "queerbaiting" and people are rightfully dunking on your stupid ass.If this is about stranger things I agree kek, every so often history repeats itself and fans get attached to the friendship between two guys, get disappointed because they have zero media literacy and actually think they're canonically being romantic/flirty, and then get pissed at the showrunners. That show is a mess anyways but it is funny seeing the Bylers pull a BBC JohnLockers.
No.11666
>>11650>Thanks to trannies I'm not interested in crossdressing and femboy tropes no matter how cute they look.Imo
>obvious male crossdressing in an attractive outfityes, fuck yes (I try my best to ignore troons and don't blame you at all tbh)
>trap crossdressing in fetish outfit or something to appeal to menew, annoying, no
>"femboy" as in anime bishounen or anime TWINK or girly boyYES
>"femboy" as in troon abomination with huge hips, essentially a flat-chested anime girl with a dick slapped onNO! FUCK NO
I hate the word femboy. Troons ruined so much.
No.11668
>>11658tbh, I think most bl shows globally choose uggo guys in their live-action BLs. The Asian (East and Southeast specifically) contingent has uncanny main leads due to the insane amount of plastic surgery and the Western side is currently mostly allergic to choosing hot men in any genre of tv shows. I think gay movies from across the world tend to have a better mix of hot men and uggos
No.11673
>>11666>>11650I love traps and crossdressers, but it's hard to find content that isn't on either end of the moid and tranny spectrum. Femboys used to be a good indication that something was made just for moid porn, but now the term gets used everywhere because 'trap' is offensive to people who can't understand crossdressing doesn't mean someone is magically their new trans rep.
>I don't need my ships to be canon and I'm perfectly content with canon non-gay relationships. The fact that this is considered an unpopular opinion now feels hilarious as a fujo hag.
No.11674
>>11650>>11673>I don't need my ships to be canon and I'm perfectly content with canon non-gay relationships.My ideal is little-to-no romance in media since most romance kinda sucks ngl. I'm content with non-canon, but I won't lie and say that sometimes the bland canon het burns when I get very attached to something. But I also don't want things to be confirmed either in most cases, even my OTPs.
Also that Kawoshin picrel is soooo cute, and I love that they ARE canon kek
No.11677
>>11673>I love traps and crossdressers, but it's hard to find content that isn't on either end of the moid and tranny spectrumFor me the issue is that I'll find an artist with a style I enjoy, like naomifiction and Tiningot196, but then that artist will be obsessed with Hoyoslop. I know that it makes sense considering the subject matter but it's still an unfortunate result of the current year.
No.11679
I'm sorry if this doesn't count as an unpopular opinion among the fujos, I haven't been very active in the fujo community for a while.
Western gay art is getting real tiresome. I used to be very much into it, like, ten years ago. I've noticed a steady trend towards the bara-ification of the genre, though.
It's gotten so bad that, like… it's far more common to see a guy with pecs and abs than without them. 99% of body types I see in western art are: twunk (youngish face, ripped), bara (comically hypermasculine mountain of muscle), fat (well… fat, often with massive tits). Jockstraps, too.
But I guess this is happening due to the overall rising influence of fitness? Where abs is a baseline for desirability and no longer something special? But when everyone's ripped, it just becomes… boring as shit.
I might have to lurk more on Pixiv and the like to get some variety.
No.11680
>>11679I think it's an American thing. People aren't baseline skinny/unfit, they're baseline fat, so Americans draw fanart with the three categories they know: Der Arnold, My 600-lb Life, and Twink Death in Three Years
Re: jockstraps. This is either actual gay men, or TIFs who want to seem more like gay men. I've never seen a normal fujo do jockstrap art.
No.11681
>>11679Do you mean images like picrel (sfw)?
I don't mind it if it's on adult characters personally but I get that it's not everyone's cup of tea. I think there are more characters who canonically has abs/muscles displayed so theres probably a connection there. One Piece in particular comes to mind where even skinny characters like Luffy have been muscled over the years.
No.11682
>>11681Wow forgive my inability to spoiler it. I'll add that I don't consider pecs part of the bara look, if the art doesn't have something on the chest it looks super goofy and bare imo.
No.11683
>>11681This is fine, honestly! You can see artistry and uniqueness in it. It's not cookie-cutter. The shading, lines, coloring all end up creating something interesting to look at. Hot, too.
My issue is more about the perfect washboard abs + pecs set up, I guess. That and good art is much more common than it was ten years ago? There's more access to good tools, more knowledge and a much higher skill-floor. That and one's ability to evaluate art also increases over time, which probably contributes to such burn-out.
Either way… yeah, I've heard about Beitemian a couple of days. Fun coincidence. Thanks a lot!! I took a peek at some of their stuff and yeah, it's way more varied, I think.
>>11680Yeahh, I don't see much appeal in those. Normal boxers or briefs are more erotic, ironically enough, because it's believable that an anime character or somesuch would wear 'em.
No.11687
>>11679I think this has been a thing for at least a decade now. I had a big rant about it in around 2016ish, when I was rereading shoujo manga from my teens and when I looked for fanart people kept drawing the lanky bishounen characters with tacked on ab definition that wasn't in the manga. Eight packs for no reason at all. I figured it was a naive way of making a character "hot", and being naive, artists would progress past it and learn more variations in body types. Joined new fandoms in the last few years, there are people drawing ab grids on flat tummies all over, and when they aren't they're making characters fat. I googled one of the characters they were making fat and yelling about how good it was, turned out that character was ripped in canon as one of his main design traits. I love weight gain shit, but flipping a body type completely is not the same thing. In the end it's like, who the hell are these characters?
>>11681Not a fan of this art style. It looks hard and bony like an elderly bodybuilder. There's cutting and then there's starving til the skin is taut over lumps.
No.11692
>>11679>>11680>>11683>>11686>jockstrapsI kinda don't mind them, but I could only see like one or two characters in stuff I like wearing them. Then again, I like any cut of underwear (thongs, briefs) that highlights a guy's butt.
No.11696
>>11694Boob-flation is real
No.11699
>>11694Why are people so fucking obsessed with inverted nipples!? They're not even that common!
No.11701
>>11279I don't like the mentally retarded.
No.11702
>>11686I like the look of cocks in briefs better than what they're out there and fully exposed. Something about them makes me feel like they're asking to be stared at.
No.11754
>>11753Ugh, the pecs that look like inflated balloons.
No.11759
>>11649I wish for the worst for every heated rivalry fan. fuck that shitty author, fuck them for ruining hockey fandom with k-pop tier bullshit, fuck their smug snark about how they're the ones running NHL now (straight up delusional, straight men outnumber fujos) and fuck them for strengthening the puck bunny stereotypes.
Now their mid as fuck actors from a mid as fuck overrated show are now torchbearers for the winter Olympics? Fuck this bullshit.
At least with many boy sports anime, while they're popular with women, they were never gay and can be enjoyed by anyone and the fans aren't as obnoxious (exceptions like Yuri on ice don't count)
No.11760
>>11759You sound like you just hate women and blame them for moids who already want to see women as bad. They won't pick you. Saying sports anime is superior because it's not gay and doesn't alienate straight men just makes you sound like a pick me.
No.11761
>>11760Ditto, don't get why you would use this site and be mad at the gay hockey show for being gay.
No.11762
>>11760>>11761Could be a hockey fan that doesn't want her two worlds to converge. Though, I'm not sure why she's surprised since NHL has a pretty sizable RPF base like a lot of sports fandoms. It was only a matter of time that the NHL started getting fujo AND het romance published works. I genuinely think that the hockey craze started as an off-shoot of the classic hockey player x figure skater trope which, tbh, didn't start with fanfic but was popularized by it.
No.11766
>>11760No, I just hate RPF people and the fact that the mid ass show is attracting the worst type of fan. I'm not into shipping sports players and I can turn off my fujo brain to enjoy the sport, maybe I should have explained that I don't like RPF because I think friendship and the team camaraderie is a beautiful thing and I think it's disrespectful to the sport and players when people treat the real life people like their fictional media.
That said the actors look mid as fuck and I feel sorry for them having the worst types of fans being into them right now.
This is the unpopular opinion thread so I posted my unpopular opinion here.
No.11767
>>11766You worded your opinion in the worst possible way then, I get not liking a show, I don't get praising something for not being as gay as another on a site dedicated to gay shipping.
I'll toss another hat on finding RPS disrespectful though. That's one of my unpopular opinions but I feel like a moralfag everytime I raise it.
No.11768
>>11762there were already tons and tons of published hockey mm novels. heated rivalry just got more popular.
>>11767as someone who does like RPF I do actually think it’s disrespectful, I just don’t care to respect them lol
>>11766don’t feel sorry for the actors. it’s not like they had to be held at gunpoint to want to star in an insanely popular show. they wanted the roles
No.11774
>>11768>there were already tons and tons of published hockey mm novelsI know. Check Please! was pretty big, though it's webcomic. I still think most fujos got into hockey players through hockey player x ice skater fiction (published/filmed and fan AUs) before cutting out ice skaters totally. I think the fans got flamed by booktok hockey romances too since I I believe there's a sizable overlap between fujos and tropey het works, at least in the Western side.
No.11776
>>11760nta but c'mon, women can have "moid coded" opinions without being pick me.
No.11777
>>11776Agree, but her opinion is just shit.
No.11780
>>11650>The straights are starting to be hostile towards fujos now because some are being annoying retards on non-gay fandoms. I will not defend you when you're crying about "queerbaiting" and people are rightfully dunking on your stupid ass. Sorry but no, this is completely wrong. The straights have always and will keep being hostile because they hate seeing anything gay in their series, sure fujos being annoying gives them a real "excuse" to hate on us, but below that it's just pure homophobia most of the time. This just sounds like pick-me fujo mentality to me. They're not gonna like you because you're slightly less annoying about your m/m ship compared to other fujos.
In regards to 'queerbaiting', many shows still shamelessly do it, and it should be called out. After years of being a fujo I know what to expect (and what not to expect) and I don't get my hopes up regarding any media that's not explicitly focused on BL, but that doesn't make me blind to what many of them are trying to do, which is keep fujos thinking that their ship could happen until the very last minute, not bothering to properly shut it down anytime before that. Yes, it's "to be expected", especially in something like shounens, but I'll shit on it even more exactly because it's become normalized.
>>11660>If this is about stranger things I agree kek, every so often history repeats itself and fans get attached to the friendship between two guys, get disappointed because they have zero media literacy and actually think they're canonically being romantic/flirty, and then get pissed at the showrunners. I would consider what stranger things did 100% to be bait, and it's a quite bizzare case of it too because one of the guys does have romantic feelings in canon, and in the very end everything related to it ends up getting retconned and their relationship is essentially left completely unaddressed, despite the build up. Not that I would expect much better from a mainstream netflix show, but I don't really understand why you're directing hate towards fujos instead of the shows pulling something like this knowing full well what they're doing.
No.11792
>>11650I agree with you almost completely nonna, except on
>Thanks to trannies I'm not interested in crossdressing and femboy tropes no matter how cute they look. I'm not going to let troons ruin this for me. This problem is easily avoidable once you filter westoids from your feeds. Also:
> The straights are starting to be hostile towards fujos now because some are being annoying retards on non-gay fandoms. I will not defend you when you're crying about "queerbaiting" and people are rightfully dunking on your stupid ass.Why do westoids bring sexuality into fiction so much? When I look at fiction, I'm not thinking of 3DPD. Any fujo that talks about anything 'queer' or 'LGBT' is an activist in disguise and not a real fujo.
No.11801
>>11780But is this an actual case of there being any possible reciprocating affection from Mike? Elevens been set up to be his romantic interest from the very beginning, they were just close friends, and yeah the producers dropped the ball with a lot of important relationships in the series, including Mike&Will, but I wouldn't say there was any gay baiting specifically. I know people are like why couldn't they have addressed Will's sexuality earlier but I think they didn't want to lose views so they saved it for the last season for the last minute. That I would say stops being about shipbait and moreso LGBT tbh. I would consider BBC Sherlock having more "bait" (I don't like that word lmao) than Stranger Things, considering the dialogue between Irene&Watson, Watson asking Sherlock about a possible boyfriend, etc. But even then it was mainly through little things like that, their friendship was built up to be important but not in a way where it was believable they were going to make them romantic. I used Sherlock mainly bc of how both them and ST fujos believed in a secret episode to cope kek. My ire towards fujos at the time was because I had Byler all over my tumblr dash and it pissed me off, but also I feel like Mike x Eleven was so clear from the beginning? Seeing people genuinely believe Mike was going to reciprocate was crazy lmao. And what did Netflix do in your opinion as "bait" the main way they baited was just waiting to explicitly address will's feelings but again, imo that was for views since gays are less palatable to the general audience than lesbians which is why Robin being lesbian was fine by the time of season 3. Also Will was a main character so it had greater ramifications. I don't blame fujos, I just think we should redirect our money to media that actually respects us than a TV show that was originally going to be an American horror story-esque series where every season was a new story. Which explains why the first season felt complete by itself. I don't think Will was gay from the beginning imo.
No.11803
>>11792>I'm not going to let troons ruin this for me. This problem is easily avoidable once you filter westoids from your feeds.yeah, I love crossdressing tropes and I don’t think of trannies at all when I see them. they couldn’t be more different. even just in looks lol
No.11805
>>11792>>11803The reason why I posted that question in the JJK thread about the crossdresser is cause I can mostly avoid westoid anime fandoms but just by chance someone on a discord channel I'm on posted a reddit meme about a JJK character being 'misogynistic in an affirming way' towards a 'trans girl character' and it was one of the most cancerous things I've seen in recent memory. Definitely confirmed that I should keep trying to avoid western fanbases as much as possible unless I know it's a non-retarded enclave.
No.11806
>>11805The western JJK fandom seems cancerous in general and I'm glad I've been able to mostly avoid it
until people started posting untagged leaks of the last arc before I even started the manga everywhere. No.11807
>>11801>I don't think Will was gay from the beginning imoNtayrt but I want to point out that Will in the first season was regularly called a faggot and slurs by both his dad and bullies before he went missing and he’s the only one of the main group that got that treatment. Lucas, Dustin, and Mike didn’t have to deal with that despite having the same interests as Will. Apparently the original script had the missing kid being gay. Will was always meant to be gay.
No.11812
>>11807Huh I forgot about that, thanks for the reminder! There's the possibility that as the smallest&quietest kid though that could be why he got that specific treatment, but I will concede that's less likely.
No.11813
>>11801>Elevens been set up to be his romantic interest from the very beginningLet me preface this by saying that I didn't watch ST for any gay reasons and I had this opinion long before learning Byler was even an option, but I thought the show always portrayed their relationship as something messy, unstable and ultimately negative for both them and the people around them, especially when you compare them to the other couples in the show. They try to address some of those issues in S4 and they don't really get cleanly resolved, then in S5 there's a timeskip and their interactions are written as somewhat ambiguous/potentially platonic (until the last episode, at least). All of these things don't scream
main couple of the show to me personally, again, regardless of Byler.
>And what did Netflix do in your opinion as "bait"S4 already had Will accept that he's in love with his 'straight' best friend, and that his love wouldn't be reciprocated, right? And yet after the timeskip in S5, he suddenly thinks he could have a chance and they get a lot of shippy moments (especially the end of ep4), while Mike and Eleven are shown to be a bit distant. There's no explanation for this change, and then they have him dumb it all down to a 'crush' (again, no explanation for this either), and by the end they just.. barely interact after that. But maybe it's all simply bad writing before anything else. If they wanted to make it into a story about a gay guy in love with his best friend who doesn't like him back(but is also still supportive, obviously), they could've done a far better job, and they could've also shut down the ship in interviews like they had done for some others. I just can't find a good way to explain some of the things that happened in the show aside from wanting to bait fujos.
>I don't blame fujos, I just think we should redirect our money to media that actually respects usI completely agree with this, actually. But I've gotten baited many times in the past, and it's sad to see history repeat itself over and over again. That's why it's deeply frustrating to see fujos side with the homophobes referring to us as 'delusional', when it's clear that many shows, games etc like to use fujo ships for marketing and merch, only to end up giving one (or both) of the guys a female love interest by the end.
Pick-me fujo behaviour and bootlicking just leads to homophobes thinking their opinion is worth anything. Even series such as Blue Lock and TSHD that are very obviously made for fujos have a dudebro audience that constantly tries to insist that the guys aren't actually gay and it's just fujos being delusional and wanting to see two guys kiss. I don't see why you should ever side with those people.
No.11823
>>11772The fujos I know in real life are all obsessed with it. Makes me sad I can't enjoy it because it would be something to talk about. At the same time, the fans are so cringe that I'm also glad I'm not associated with them. I don't know why it got popular, though. It's pretty bad.
No.11825
>>11823the only irl fujo I know watches it, too (also I have another friend who went on a screed about it being fetishizing despite its genuine gay audience). I don't know if it's good or bad and all that matters to me is that I don't want to see real guys fucking. I could probably deal if it was just a singular scene or an illusion to it but it's mostly porn, isn't it? I'm surprised that a Canadian media company created this because I can't remember the last Canadian show that heavily featured sex (and GAY sex at that) in my years of living. It makes me wonder how it even got picked up and why. I wonder if it's inspired by the popularity of HBO's shows since Crave is one of the only (or genuinely only) Canadian streaming services that has HBO's shit on it.
No.11826
>>11825>I don't want to see real guys fucking. Yeah, this is a huge component for me, too. I could probably overlook it if I were interested in the story. It's just that it's like the show has two strikes against me specifically (it features real men and a subject about which I could not care less).
>it's mostly porn, isn't itAdmittedly, I didn't watch much because it really was not for me, so maybe it changes later, but it's mostly hockey, the internal politics of hockey, and fucking. I feel like people who are calling it "just porn" are being a tiny bit dramatic (not you, but just discussions I've seen online), as it's nowhere near the level of what I'd imagined based on the way people were talking about it. I thought the sex scenes I watched were about as explicit as the straight sex scenes I've seen in some trashier live-action shows. It's definitely still pornographic, but it's not anything you haven't seen in True Blood or something (I'm also not a huge fan of sex scenes in live-action TV shows in general, but that's a personal thing). I think the show's lack of plot is a large part of why people think it's more explicit than comparable shows. Again, I've also watched very little of it, so maybe later scenes go further than the shows I'd currently consider similar.
>It makes me wonder how it even got picked up and why.Yeah, it does seem very strange. I'm not super familiar with Canadian television, but it seems like such an odd choice. I know hockey romance is kind of a big thing right now, but it seems to have a very narrow audience? I'd love to know the logic that went into making this, especially given that it is mostly just sex and guys discussing/playing hockey. I also don't know how they stretched this story over 6 episodes.
No.11827
>>11826>I feel like people who are calling it "just porn" are being a tiny bit dramatic (not you, but just discussions I've seen online), as it's nowhere near the level of what I'd imagined based on the way people were talking about it. Oh dang, that makes sense if some bad faith actors are making it sound worse than it is. If you're right about the entire season just having sex scenes like you described, then I feel sorta bad for clowning on them. Though, I'm sure that even if got more explicit, then it's still probably not as bad as what I hear Game of Thrones had throughout their series.
>I know hockey romance is kind of a big thing right now, but it seems to have a very narrow audience?Well, for the hockey aspect in particular, it does make sense a Canadian media company would focus on that of all sports, lol. But, the gay part of it is what gives me pause. The NHL and minor hockey leagues are notorious for being a breeding ground for homophobia and misogyny, so much so that I've read pretty plausible theories that the NHL is allowing this because they want to whitewash themselves (especially after a big trial of an alleged gangrape of a young woman by hockey players which, unfortunately, didn't go in her favour). It's sorta fascinating lol
No.11835
I don't like how moidy my tastes are. Who's ever heard of a fujo into body hair, butts, trapshit and jock straps?
No.11836
>>11835A fujo into butts is completely normal. I like trapshit and body hair too, don't let people alienate you from your own taste. If they were so secure in their taste they wouldn't need to proclaim loudly every other fujo preference is "moidy" and wrong
No.11837
>>11835I like body hair and traps! I get what you mean though, in some places I can't even say I like facial hair without getting judged so admitting to liking arm/leg hair feels like social suicide.
No.11838
>>11835Everything fun will be called moidy if you let others thought police you.
No.11841
>>118353/4 of those are subgenres of scent which is kino. You like what you like.
>>11772This is how I feel about it, when a 3dpd or western m/m ship gets too big it seems it's always a net negative for weeb fujoshi. From what I see on social media the women who participate in the ship never seem to branch out into other fandoms (or even have a history with a previous fandom!) but the haters they drum up realize they get a misogyny hall pass and seep into the peripherals of unrelated fujoshi. This is all anecdotal so who knows, but it's sad I can't just be happy for for homo hockey show.
No.11843
>>11842Surely interest in body hair is probably half dependent on what country you live in and how hairy the men are, right? Similar for body type. Though weeb fujos overall are probably more likely to be into guys with hairless anime boy aesthetic but non Kpop/cdrama RPF fujos probably have more standard taste.
No.11845
>>11843Disagree, consider porn aimed at asian gay men and it has body hair. I agree with nonna above I associate it with being "male" tastes though I like it and am only interested in 2D shipping. Stubble is peak.
No.11846
>>11835I'm an assfag to the max and can dig traps occasionally (just josou seme stuff though.) Pubes are about the only body hair I actually like, but I'm pretty into them. It is what it is, sometimes.
No.11848
In my experience the only body hair I like in 2D is pubes but thats mostly due to other body hair just looking odd to me when drawn, the individual hairs drawn on just make it stand out so much compared to what body hair actually looks like on a person. In 3DPD the most facial I can stand is light stubble since to me beards and shit are like moid burqas in a way. Arm/leg/pubic hair is fine as long as it's not too much or too dark. I really hate armpit hair though, it gives me the ick. And chest hair, I hate that too. It's crazy how moids grow hair on their backs sometimes as well. I wish society pressured men to remove at least some areas of body hair.
No.11849
>>11848I used to think that way about chest hair, but my husband has some and it's actually very soft comforting to run my hand through it. Rarely like it in 2D, but the characters I like don't tend to have it anyway.
Armpit hair is always gross imo, it's just disgusting and anything that draws attention to it is overly fetishy.
No.11866
I guess as the flipside to the other discussion I really don't enjoy shipping high schoolers, yes I know this is contrary to most of the anime landscape. Even when I was in high school myself though I always said I liked "older guys" and would often prefer side characters. Now of course I'm older and some of the characters I considered "old" are younger than me.
No.11867
>>11866A few of my ships still involve high schoolers but I've always hated the idea of "your first/high school relationship is your romantic endgame" so I'm more inclined to write them as preslash.
>I'm older and some of the characters I considered "old" are younger than meDagger to the chest every time I write a fic involving a character calling his mentor an old man and that mf is 34. (；￣Д￣)
No.11877
>>11866Yeah, the lives and struggles of high schoolers simply do not interest me either. Japan is in love with 15 year olds having crazy adventures but man is it boring. Show me a series about a high school and I'll start shipping the teachers.
>>11867Reminds me of Cid ff7 being a crotchety old man…at 32.
No.11881
>>11866I kinda just don't view anime characters as having an actual age or as equivalent of their real age counterpart. I'm already insecure about getting older now in the first place as an older gen Z -_-
No.11894
>>11881some of the scenarios in those high school mangas (especially old ones) also make a lot more sense if they were actually like in college or something, so I end up aging up them mentally anyways.
No.11954
>>11894Yeah it's not like any anime character acts like a human being, let alone a 14-17yo. Lots of anime characters act more mature than college students too kek.
No.11955
>>11954I'm
>>11866 and I don't like college students either both are too young for my taste visually speaking. While a good personality can sell me on any character of any age late 20s through 40 is the general age that I look at a design and decide to watch a show for it. Office settings are my favorite locations for original yaoi works.
No.11956
>>11955nta and personally, I usually like office settings for original BL manga but lately my job has been pissing me off so much I avoid reading BL manga like that or I know I'll cringe at some point. I don't want to read a BL manga during my free time and think about my shit job, especially when the characters are like "oh nooo we're working on a big project and I have to work overtime!" like bitch me too, don't remind me.
Aside from that I don't think I have a preference as long as the main characters are adults, regardless of age and occupation. Even when I was a teenager I liked adult characters more on average when reading manga, probably because the writers made them secondary characters so they had more freedom when writing them? This applies to both BL and non BL stories.