/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>11694
Why are people so fucking obsessed with inverted nipples!? They're not even that common!

>>11694
Korean BL is so fucking goofy, only time I was into it was when it was drawn by a gay moid kek.

>>11279
I don't like the mentally retarded.

>>11686
I like the look of cocks in briefs better than what they're out there and fully exposed. Something about them makes me feel like they're asking to be stared at.

That's a pretty good example of bara-fication, I think.

>>11753
Ugh, the pecs that look like inflated balloons.

>>11649
I wish for the worst for every heated rivalry fan. fuck that shitty author, fuck them for ruining hockey fandom with k-pop tier bullshit, fuck their smug snark about how they're the ones running NHL now (straight up delusional, straight men outnumber fujos) and fuck them for strengthening the puck bunny stereotypes.
Now their mid as fuck actors from a mid as fuck overrated show are now torchbearers for the winter Olympics? Fuck this bullshit.

At least with many boy sports anime, while they're popular with women, they were never gay and can be enjoyed by anyone and the fans aren't as obnoxious (exceptions like Yuri on ice don't count)

>>11759
You sound like you just hate women and blame them for moids who already want to see women as bad. They won't pick you. Saying sports anime is superior because it's not gay and doesn't alienate straight men just makes you sound like a pick me.

>>11760
Ditto, don't get why you would use this site and be mad at the gay hockey show for being gay.

>>11760
>>11761
Could be a hockey fan that doesn't want her two worlds to converge. Though, I'm not sure why she's surprised since NHL has a pretty sizable RPF base like a lot of sports fandoms. It was only a matter of time that the NHL started getting fujo AND het romance published works. I genuinely think that the hockey craze started as an off-shoot of the classic hockey player x figure skater trope which, tbh, didn't start with fanfic but was popularized by it.

>>11760
No, I just hate RPF people and the fact that the mid ass show is attracting the worst type of fan. I'm not into shipping sports players and I can turn off my fujo brain to enjoy the sport, maybe I should have explained that I don't like RPF because I think friendship and the team camaraderie is a beautiful thing and I think it's disrespectful to the sport and players when people treat the real life people like their fictional media.
That said the actors look mid as fuck and I feel sorry for them having the worst types of fans being into them right now.
This is the unpopular opinion thread so I posted my unpopular opinion here.

>>11766
You worded your opinion in the worst possible way then, I get not liking a show, I don't get praising something for not being as gay as another on a site dedicated to gay shipping.

I'll toss another hat on finding RPS disrespectful though. That's one of my unpopular opinions but I feel like a moralfag everytime I raise it.

>>11762
there were already tons and tons of published hockey mm novels. heated rivalry just got more popular.
>>11767
as someone who does like RPF I do actually think it’s disrespectful, I just don’t care to respect them lol
>>11766
don’t feel sorry for the actors. it’s not like they had to be held at gunpoint to want to star in an insanely popular show. they wanted the roles

in addition to the hockey show being objectively bad i hate that i have to endure another wave of fujos being in the negative spotlight because of another westoid series. arcane gave me second hand embarrassment

>>11768
>there were already tons and tons of published hockey mm novels

I know. Check Please! was pretty big, though it's webcomic. I still think most fujos got into hockey players through hockey player x ice skater fiction (published/filmed and fan AUs) before cutting out ice skaters totally. I think the fans got flamed by booktok hockey romances too since I I believe there's a sizable overlap between fujos and tropey het works, at least in the Western side.

>>11760
nta but c'mon, women can have "moid coded" opinions without being pick me.

>>11776
Agree, but her opinion is just shit.

>>11650
>The straights are starting to be hostile towards fujos now because some are being annoying retards on non-gay fandoms. I will not defend you when you're crying about "queerbaiting" and people are rightfully dunking on your stupid ass.
Sorry but no, this is completely wrong. The straights have always and will keep being hostile because they hate seeing anything gay in their series, sure fujos being annoying gives them a real "excuse" to hate on us, but below that it's just pure homophobia most of the time. This just sounds like pick-me fujo mentality to me. They're not gonna like you because you're slightly less annoying about your m/m ship compared to other fujos.
In regards to 'queerbaiting', many shows still shamelessly do it, and it should be called out. After years of being a fujo I know what to expect (and what not to expect) and I don't get my hopes up regarding any media that's not explicitly focused on BL, but that doesn't make me blind to what many of them are trying to do, which is keep fujos thinking that their ship could happen until the very last minute, not bothering to properly shut it down anytime before that. Yes, it's "to be expected", especially in something like shounens, but I'll shit on it even more exactly because it's become normalized.
>>11660
>If this is about stranger things I agree kek, every so often history repeats itself and fans get attached to the friendship between two guys, get disappointed because they have zero media literacy and actually think they're canonically being romantic/flirty, and then get pissed at the showrunners.
I would consider what stranger things did 100% to be bait, and it's a quite bizzare case of it too because one of the guys does have romantic feelings in canon, and in the very end everything related to it ends up getting retconned and their relationship is essentially left completely unaddressed, despite the build up. Not that I would expect much better from a mainstream netflix show, but I don't really understand why you're directing hate towards fujos instead of the shows pulling something like this knowing full well what they're doing.

>>11650
I agree with you almost completely nonna, except on
>Thanks to trannies I'm not interested in crossdressing and femboy tropes no matter how cute they look.
I'm not going to let troons ruin this for me. This problem is easily avoidable once you filter westoids from your feeds. Also:
> The straights are starting to be hostile towards fujos now because some are being annoying retards on non-gay fandoms. I will not defend you when you're crying about "queerbaiting" and people are rightfully dunking on your stupid ass.
Why do westoids bring sexuality into fiction so much? When I look at fiction, I'm not thinking of 3DPD. Any fujo that talks about anything 'queer' or 'LGBT' is an activist in disguise and not a real fujo.

>>11780
But is this an actual case of there being any possible reciprocating affection from Mike? Elevens been set up to be his romantic interest from the very beginning, they were just close friends, and yeah the producers dropped the ball with a lot of important relationships in the series, including Mike&Will, but I wouldn't say there was any gay baiting specifically. I know people are like why couldn't they have addressed Will's sexuality earlier but I think they didn't want to lose views so they saved it for the last season for the last minute. That I would say stops being about shipbait and moreso LGBT tbh. I would consider BBC Sherlock having more "bait" (I don't like that word lmao) than Stranger Things, considering the dialogue between Irene&Watson, Watson asking Sherlock about a possible boyfriend, etc. But even then it was mainly through little things like that, their friendship was built up to be important but not in a way where it was believable they were going to make them romantic. I used Sherlock mainly bc of how both them and ST fujos believed in a secret episode to cope kek. My ire towards fujos at the time was because I had Byler all over my tumblr dash and it pissed me off, but also I feel like Mike x Eleven was so clear from the beginning? Seeing people genuinely believe Mike was going to reciprocate was crazy lmao. And what did Netflix do in your opinion as "bait" the main way they baited was just waiting to explicitly address will's feelings but again, imo that was for views since gays are less palatable to the general audience than lesbians which is why Robin being lesbian was fine by the time of season 3. Also Will was a main character so it had greater ramifications. I don't blame fujos, I just think we should redirect our money to media that actually respects us than a TV show that was originally going to be an American horror story-esque series where every season was a new story. Which explains why the first season felt complete by itself. I don't think Will was gay from the beginning imo.

>>11792
>I'm not going to let troons ruin this for me. This problem is easily avoidable once you filter westoids from your feeds.
yeah, I love crossdressing tropes and I don’t think of trannies at all when I see them. they couldn’t be more different. even just in looks lol

>>11792
>>11803
The reason why I posted that question in the JJK thread about the crossdresser is cause I can mostly avoid westoid anime fandoms but just by chance someone on a discord channel I'm on posted a reddit meme about a JJK character being 'misogynistic in an affirming way' towards a 'trans girl character' and it was one of the most cancerous things I've seen in recent memory. Definitely confirmed that I should keep trying to avoid western fanbases as much as possible unless I know it's a non-retarded enclave.

>>11805
The western JJK fandom seems cancerous in general and I'm glad I've been able to mostly avoid it until people started posting untagged leaks of the last arc before I even started the manga everywhere.

>>11801
>I don't think Will was gay from the beginning imo
Ntayrt but I want to point out that Will in the first season was regularly called a faggot and slurs by both his dad and bullies before he went missing and he’s the only one of the main group that got that treatment. Lucas, Dustin, and Mike didn’t have to deal with that despite having the same interests as Will. Apparently the original script had the missing kid being gay. Will was always meant to be gay.

>>11807
Huh I forgot about that, thanks for the reminder! There's the possibility that as the smallest&quietest kid though that could be why he got that specific treatment, but I will concede that's less likely.

>>11801
>Elevens been set up to be his romantic interest from the very beginning
Let me preface this by saying that I didn't watch ST for any gay reasons and I had this opinion long before learning Byler was even an option, but I thought the show always portrayed their relationship as something messy, unstable and ultimately negative for both them and the people around them, especially when you compare them to the other couples in the show. They try to address some of those issues in S4 and they don't really get cleanly resolved, then in S5 there's a timeskip and their interactions are written as somewhat ambiguous/potentially platonic (until the last episode, at least). All of these things don't scream main couple of the show to me personally, again, regardless of Byler.
>And what did Netflix do in your opinion as "bait"
S4 already had Will accept that he's in love with his 'straight' best friend, and that his love wouldn't be reciprocated, right? And yet after the timeskip in S5, he suddenly thinks he could have a chance and they get a lot of shippy moments (especially the end of ep4), while Mike and Eleven are shown to be a bit distant. There's no explanation for this change, and then they have him dumb it all down to a 'crush' (again, no explanation for this either), and by the end they just.. barely interact after that. But maybe it's all simply bad writing before anything else. If they wanted to make it into a story about a gay guy in love with his best friend who doesn't like him back(but is also still supportive, obviously), they could've done a far better job, and they could've also shut down the ship in interviews like they had done for some others. I just can't find a good way to explain some of the things that happened in the show aside from wanting to bait fujos.
>I don't blame fujos, I just think we should redirect our money to media that actually respects us
I completely agree with this, actually. But I've gotten baited many times in the past, and it's sad to see history repeat itself over and over again. That's why it's deeply frustrating to see fujos side with the homophobes referring to us as 'delusional', when it's clear that many shows, games etc like to use fujo ships for marketing and merch, only to end up giving one (or both) of the guys a female love interest by the end.
Pick-me fujo behaviour and bootlicking just leads to homophobes thinking their opinion is worth anything. Even series such as Blue Lock and TSHD that are very obviously made for fujos have a dudebro audience that constantly tries to insist that the guys aren't actually gay and it's just fujos being delusional and wanting to see two guys kiss. I don't see why you should ever side with those people.

>>11772
The fujos I know in real life are all obsessed with it. Makes me sad I can't enjoy it because it would be something to talk about. At the same time, the fans are so cringe that I'm also glad I'm not associated with them. I don't know why it got popular, though. It's pretty bad.

>>11823
the only irl fujo I know watches it, too (also I have another friend who went on a screed about it being fetishizing despite its genuine gay audience). I don't know if it's good or bad and all that matters to me is that I don't want to see real guys fucking. I could probably deal if it was just a singular scene or an illusion to it but it's mostly porn, isn't it? I'm surprised that a Canadian media company created this because I can't remember the last Canadian show that heavily featured sex (and GAY sex at that) in my years of living. It makes me wonder how it even got picked up and why. I wonder if it's inspired by the popularity of HBO's shows since Crave is one of the only (or genuinely only) Canadian streaming services that has HBO's shit on it.

>>11825
>I don't want to see real guys fucking.
Yeah, this is a huge component for me, too. I could probably overlook it if I were interested in the story. It's just that it's like the show has two strikes against me specifically (it features real men and a subject about which I could not care less).
>it's mostly porn, isn't it
Admittedly, I didn't watch much because it really was not for me, so maybe it changes later, but it's mostly hockey, the internal politics of hockey, and fucking. I feel like people who are calling it "just porn" are being a tiny bit dramatic (not you, but just discussions I've seen online), as it's nowhere near the level of what I'd imagined based on the way people were talking about it. I thought the sex scenes I watched were about as explicit as the straight sex scenes I've seen in some trashier live-action shows. It's definitely still pornographic, but it's not anything you haven't seen in True Blood or something (I'm also not a huge fan of sex scenes in live-action TV shows in general, but that's a personal thing). I think the show's lack of plot is a large part of why people think it's more explicit than comparable shows. Again, I've also watched very little of it, so maybe later scenes go further than the shows I'd currently consider similar.
>It makes me wonder how it even got picked up and why.
Yeah, it does seem very strange. I'm not super familiar with Canadian television, but it seems like such an odd choice. I know hockey romance is kind of a big thing right now, but it seems to have a very narrow audience? I'd love to know the logic that went into making this, especially given that it is mostly just sex and guys discussing/playing hockey. I also don't know how they stretched this story over 6 episodes.

>>11826
>I feel like people who are calling it "just porn" are being a tiny bit dramatic (not you, but just discussions I've seen online), as it's nowhere near the level of what I'd imagined based on the way people were talking about it.

Oh dang, that makes sense if some bad faith actors are making it sound worse than it is. If you're right about the entire season just having sex scenes like you described, then I feel sorta bad for clowning on them. Though, I'm sure that even if got more explicit, then it's still probably not as bad as what I hear Game of Thrones had throughout their series.
>I know hockey romance is kind of a big thing right now, but it seems to have a very narrow audience?
Well, for the hockey aspect in particular, it does make sense a Canadian media company would focus on that of all sports, lol. But, the gay part of it is what gives me pause. The NHL and minor hockey leagues are notorious for being a breeding ground for homophobia and misogyny, so much so that I've read pretty plausible theories that the NHL is allowing this because they want to whitewash themselves (especially after a big trial of an alleged gangrape of a young woman by hockey players which, unfortunately, didn't go in her favour). It's sorta fascinating lol

I don't like how moidy my tastes are. Who's ever heard of a fujo into body hair, butts, trapshit and jock straps?

>>11835
A fujo into butts is completely normal. I like trapshit and body hair too, don't let people alienate you from your own taste. If they were so secure in their taste they wouldn't need to proclaim loudly every other fujo preference is "moidy" and wrong

>>11835
I like body hair and traps! I get what you mean though, in some places I can't even say I like facial hair without getting judged so admitting to liking arm/leg hair feels like social suicide.

>>11835
Everything fun will be called moidy if you let others thought police you.

>>11835
3/4 of those are subgenres of scent which is kino. You like what you like.
>>11772
This is how I feel about it, when a 3dpd or western m/m ship gets too big it seems it's always a net negative for weeb fujoshi. From what I see on social media the women who participate in the ship never seem to branch out into other fandoms (or even have a history with a previous fandom!) but the haters they drum up realize they get a misogyny hall pass and seep into the peripherals of unrelated fujoshi. This is all anecdotal so who knows, but it's sad I can't just be happy for for homo hockey show.

>>11835
I share some of your tastes too nona, I love butts, big sperg for them, and body hair is one of my biggest kinks (is it really a kink when it's natural tho? Hm). I'm a bigger weirdo who also enjoys armpit and leg hair. Don't worry about your taste being out of the ordinary, gotta have some fun in life after all.

>>11842
Surely interest in body hair is probably half dependent on what country you live in and how hairy the men are, right? Similar for body type. Though weeb fujos overall are probably more likely to be into guys with hairless anime boy aesthetic but non Kpop/cdrama RPF fujos probably have more standard taste.

>>11843
Disagree, consider porn aimed at asian gay men and it has body hair. I agree with nonna above I associate it with being "male" tastes though I like it and am only interested in 2D shipping. Stubble is peak.

>>11835
I'm an assfag to the max and can dig traps occasionally (just josou seme stuff though.) Pubes are about the only body hair I actually like, but I'm pretty into them. It is what it is, sometimes.

In my experience the only body hair I like in 2D is pubes but thats mostly due to other body hair just looking odd to me when drawn, the individual hairs drawn on just make it stand out so much compared to what body hair actually looks like on a person. In 3DPD the most facial I can stand is light stubble since to me beards and shit are like moid burqas in a way. Arm/leg/pubic hair is fine as long as it's not too much or too dark. I really hate armpit hair though, it gives me the ick. And chest hair, I hate that too. It's crazy how moids grow hair on their backs sometimes as well. I wish society pressured men to remove at least some areas of body hair.

>>11848
I used to think that way about chest hair, but my husband has some and it's actually very soft comforting to run my hand through it. Rarely like it in 2D, but the characters I like don't tend to have it anyway.

Armpit hair is always gross imo, it's just disgusting and anything that draws attention to it is overly fetishy.

>>11701
Fair

I guess as the flipside to the other discussion I really don't enjoy shipping high schoolers, yes I know this is contrary to most of the anime landscape. Even when I was in high school myself though I always said I liked "older guys" and would often prefer side characters. Now of course I'm older and some of the characters I considered "old" are younger than me.

>>11866
A few of my ships still involve high schoolers but I've always hated the idea of "your first/high school relationship is your romantic endgame" so I'm more inclined to write them as preslash.
>I'm older and some of the characters I considered "old" are younger than me
Dagger to the chest every time I write a fic involving a character calling his mentor an old man and that mf is 34. (；￣Д￣)

>>11866
Yeah, the lives and struggles of high schoolers simply do not interest me either. Japan is in love with 15 year olds having crazy adventures but man is it boring. Show me a series about a high school and I'll start shipping the teachers.
>>11867
Reminds me of Cid ff7 being a crotchety old man…at 32.

>>11866
I kinda just don't view anime characters as having an actual age or as equivalent of their real age counterpart. I'm already insecure about getting older now in the first place as an older gen Z -_-

>>11881
some of the scenarios in those high school mangas (especially old ones) also make a lot more sense if they were actually like in college or something, so I end up aging up them mentally anyways.

>>11894
Yeah it's not like any anime character acts like a human being, let alone a 14-17yo. Lots of anime characters act more mature than college students too kek.

>>11954
I'm >>11866 and I don't like college students either both are too young for my taste visually speaking. While a good personality can sell me on any character of any age late 20s through 40 is the general age that I look at a design and decide to watch a show for it. Office settings are my favorite locations for original yaoi works.

>>11955
nta and personally, I usually like office settings for original BL manga but lately my job has been pissing me off so much I avoid reading BL manga like that or I know I'll cringe at some point. I don't want to read a BL manga during my free time and think about my shit job, especially when the characters are like "oh nooo we're working on a big project and I have to work overtime!" like bitch me too, don't remind me.

Aside from that I don't think I have a preference as long as the main characters are adults, regardless of age and occupation. Even when I was a teenager I liked adult characters more on average when reading manga, probably because the writers made them secondary characters so they had more freedom when writing them? This applies to both BL and non BL stories.