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>>8357Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.9334
>>9333To fujos, a male character who seems uninterested in women means it's easy to read him as gay. To hetshippers/yumes, it means you can use that 'your vagina is the only one special enough to change him' trope. Otome game love interests with a description like 'not interested in women/appears uninterested in women' is common and basically a signifier that he's Too Serious For Silly Ladies or his autism is too strong or whatever.
It's kind of different when the guy in question is also canonically very close to another guy or shows heavy gay vibes in another way, but hetshippers find a way.
No.9335
>>9328This is what gets me. The majority of "yaoi" fan art featuring a TIF coupled with a regular man is blatant self-insert art. That's not even getting into how hypocritical it is to consider TIF x male to be BL when you know damn well any art featuring a TIM with a female character would be accurately identified as not being GL to those same people.
No.9336
>>9334Yeah, like the classic Mary Sue trope that came along with romancing Spock because they were so speshul even an autism alien would love them.
I just find it irritating because they could just pick literally any other male character. Levi specifically was made to appeal to the fujo audience.
So when you think about it, yumes have no right to complain about anything since they also creep up on characters that show no interest in women, thereby trying to change canon just as much as the fujos they complain about lel
No.9337
>>9332I know that fujos can have their own brand of autism but the whole concept of selfshipping just seems like a way to make yourself annoyed all the time since it's based on something so fragile.
No.9338
>>9337It's just a repeat of kinning with the "NO DOUBLES" autism
No.9339
>>9337I just don't get why anyone shares it online. With ships, you can connect with other fans of the same ship. Who the fuck cares about Husbando x Not(You)? Selfshipping is so intensely personal. Even if you ship a tiny rarepair you can get other people on board with your work. At least the first person POV yume art with only the husbando in it makes sense even if it makes me uncomfortable to look at.
No.9343
>>9340Kaveh broke so many yumes, it's fucking hilarious how much his existence makes them seethe.
No.9345
>>9340Good example! Added this pairing to my interest list mwahahah
No.9347
>>9346>western cartoonWhich one is it?
No.9349
>>9347Arcane Transformers wombo combo with a dash of Mouthwashing for how talented so many artists are.
Pic related are all the couples in the comic run and labeled.
No.9350
>>9349Correction. I said Mouthwashing while my brain blinked after mentioning canon. I know JimCurly isn't actually canon. But the fandom still does the mentioned annoying shit
No.9356
>>8867They say they hate men but then they always defend male interests, defend the right for men to exist in fiction while being ugly but the only media they like is anime made for straight men to goon over because of some of those men are troon lesbians.
No.9357
>>9340I didn't realize KFC stood for Kaveh Fucking Culled.
>>9351I'm in a kid-friendly discord server for the free downloads and the mods who are always breathing down people's necks for posting the slightest blood or "toxic" ship were all excitedly telling everyone how they planned to play Mouthwashing and shit. I swear it was like Killing Stalking where the trend was mostly people claiming they were doing a thing for clout instead of actually consuming and engaging with the media.
No.9363
crazy how yaoi is in fact more feminist than yuri
No.9364
>>9351Mouthwashing honestly was the modern fandom speedrun record.
>Short indie game with dark themes and a low budget vibe>Some loudmouth video game streamer plays it>Everyone becomes obsessed with it in two days>Ship wars and accusations of problemacy>Tiktok dance cosplay videos>Edgelord adult artists make provocative art of the to "trigger the libz" >3 hour video essays about how the game is pro-rape>The game studio itself has to ask the fans to tone it down>Everyone forgets about the fandom in less than three months No.9503
>>9364I feel bad for any new IPs that attract the modern internet because of how insufferable normalfags are. Mainstream fandoms are now populated by retards and children, and grifters who want to profit out of said retards and children.
It's like every new fanbase is the Steven Universe fandom on steroids.
No.9504
>>9503Would it be stupid to say I prefer that to no fandom? I'm willing to wade through shit to get to the god-tier fan art and fanfics. There are so many series that I'm desperate for literally ANYTHING to exist and they've got 20 fanfics max.
No.9505
>>9504Nta but i agree with you. It's easier to filter through shit to curate your fandom experience than to have zero fan content and discussion. When i enjoy a creator i really hope for them to receive some kind of recognition for sharing their passion with the world instead of being ignored and getting axed by their publisher or platform
No.9532
Damn it, I want to post without having to deal with the CP spam!
Anyway, I always wonder how it may feel like to be a Tumblr girl. I've always been a weeb so movie actor/RPFish adjacent ships were never appealing to me, but I often find myself wondering how it feels like to be "wired" in a way to enjoy SPN, HP, Sherlock, etc. I feel like a lot of the peak tumblr was all a "you just had to be there" moment that can't be replicated anymore but I'm sure there's still some big scene for RPF fiction or movie ships.
Nowadays though, I feel like the people who like "realistic-looking" ships/characters are the ones often talking and complaining about real queerness and fandom activism nowadays. After all, movie actors still emulate real people, which is a different feeling from looking at anime and games which is inherently unrealistic.
Sometimes it feels like the Tumblr girls have/had the most fun though, although most fic always reads like OCs when it comes from media like that
No.9542
>>9532>Anyway, I always wonder how it may feel like to be a Tumblr girl. I've always been a weeb so movie actor/RPFish adjacent ships were never appealing to me, but I often find myself wondering how it feels like to be "wired" in a way to enjoy SPN, HP, Sherlock, etc. Funnily enough I was a tumblr girl without being into Superwholock. I started out in the tumblr Homestuck fandom because of all the roleplaying Ask blogs and then branched out into the anime side of tumblr. Most of my memories are from the Free! Iwatobi swim club fandom cause it was super cozy and a Free! fan introduced me to BL games on her blog by posting screencaps of Dramatical murder reconnect and this was huge for me. This is also bringing back memories of a prominent RinHaru(Or was it HaruRin?) shipper who provided translations for the fandom. I don't remember her tumblr username but I do remember that at some point she wrote an original BL novel called Fellfire summer. Meanwhile another prominent Free! fandom member from that time who also provided translations, aitaikimochi, has moved on to other fandoms and has her own webshop for imports now. Just realised this isn't within the scope of the thread anymore but I was feeling nostalgic.
No.9544
>>9532Same here, I've always found slash and slashers interesting even though I'm a weeb at heart. I never got close enough to those spaces to see the bad so I do feel somewhat nostalgic when I think back to 2014 Tumblr. On the other hand, a lot of those same people turned out to be gendies like you said so maybe there was a lot of current day fandom rot already brewing there lol.
On a similar note, I wish I could have experienced fandoms before the influx of normies and gendies took over
I'm a zoomer so unfortunately I became active in fandom spaces when enshittification already started happening. I'm sure it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, but knowing that there used to be a time where people weren't obsessed with thinking fandom is activism makes me a bit sad when I think about it.
No.9545
>>9532Like
>>9542 I was around for Homestuck but there was a decent portion of weeaboo shippers/fujos hanging around early 10s tumblr as well, it was how I got EN yaoi and general discussion for a lot of 3DS/PS3/Vita games. It was the spawning pool for a lot of "industry" people who also may or may not have also been on /a/ and /co/. I'm also getting really nostalgic thinking about it. The post-smartphone pre-gamergate internet was honestly pretty chill if you learned to not engage with landmines. I even liked the tumblr/4chan cross pollination (does anybody remember "Indexer" from /hsg/? That's where I learned to stop saving tumblr thumbnails!).
>>9544>experienced fandoms before the influx of normies and gendies took overHonestly I wouldn't go back if given the choice. I'm spoiled by modern QoL. Yeah it was fun and maybe even "SOVL" to trawl through JP fansites for the good shit, but I definitely don't have that kind of time anymore. I don't think anybody does, not even the kids who are the age I was when I was doing all that haha.
If it makes you feel any better I think the fandom=activism people are either growing up or leaving fandom spaces. I don't really see that kind of stuff anymore unless it's reposted here and it used to be that I could NOT escape it.
No.9584
>like character from newly released thing
>fandom starts to form
>people start to grossly mischaracterize character
>no longer like character
I only have to wait until the fandom dies I guess…..
No.9585
>>9553That sucks. Is she drawing general characters or pairings? I don't play gacha slop but there have been a couple cute m/m pairings and I'm enjoying the art so far.
No.9590
I wish japanese artists would upload their genderbent art separately and not under collections of that character, specially when they draw them as titty monsters. It's borderline gross.
No.9591
>>9589Oh fuck yeah those two are hot as fuck. I don't like tragic stuff but the fujobait between them is very nice.
Sorry, some nonna's loss are some other nonna's gains.
No.9607
Scrolling through summer sales and once again lamenting that I'm never into the Big series that get reduced merch and discs. Closest I got is Tourabu and it's always the musicals that are too extortionately expensive to follow.
No.9614
>>9589this is so heartbreaking i loved their roscest
No.9625
>>9327>>9339toxic yumes will shit on fujos or literally any shipper because anything besides them x husbando is a NOTP and then invent a whole toxic conspiracy around themselves. if you are a very strict self-shipper, you have to filter out all of fandom or other fans essentially
>>9329I know it's just yumes or antis with an excuse to shit on something but do people actually see two cartoons from a video game and think
>OMG N IS TWENTY AND HILBERT IS A MINOR No.9626
>>9623>I like my boys pretty but I like them male!Same, that's why I was drawn to anime and ancient cultures where the beauty of men and the relationships between them was celebrated.
I can't stand gender bent, cuntboy, pregnancy, and you know what I kinda don't like femboys or cross-dressers all that much either.
No.9627
>>9623I like magic babies and mpreg when it was an actual weird fetish instead of an ironic joke. I also just want to see male homosexuals instead of pussy.
Fuck roidpigs, "realistic representation", hairy fat balding uggos, ugly old men, and women on testosterone. I want pretty boys. Both boys should be pretty enough to be uke. Men would look more attractive if they were less sexually dimorphic and masculine but I need the dick and balls.
No.9628
>>9623>Never have I seen women so obsessed with pregnancy….It's weird. Even non-TIF fujos I know in real life love mpreg. I have no idea what the appeal is or how it exploded in popularity.
>it's the only version of mpreg I can tolerateSame!
No.9629
>>9623>between this and the cuntboy shit I am just so sick of female bodies and bodily functions in my BLI don't get it.
>mpreg>but "he" has a vagina>and breasts>somehow still considered yaoi by the artist/their followersMake it make sense.
No.9630
>>9629It's self-insertion brainrot. This one time I saw one of those 'male' character OCs who on top of everything else was also obese and it was very obvious that the creator of that OC was obese herself.
No.9631
I'm anti-natalist IRL, but I love mpreg stories in BL/yaoi lol. It's not so much about the feminization of male bodies for me but rather the whole melodrama (and comedy?) of ukes finding out that they're pregnant and deciding to hide it from the semes through ridiculous methods. Bonus points when the seme gets upset thinking the uke had a child with another woman, before finding out that the uke birthed the child AND that he's the father. I don't know why but the whole misunderstanding plot and drama just scratches my brain the right way.
There's this danmei author who writes ten variations of this exact trope and I eat her slop up every single time lol. But whenever the baby grows into a toddler I just start tuning out because I can't stand kids.
No.9632
>>9625I was going to jokingly jump up and say "I do! It's what makes it interesting!" But then I thought about it for two seconds, and weren't the protags of BW older than usual? Like fifteen or sixteen-year-olds? It's not nearly as shocking, given characters that age in fiction are often as clued in and capable as adults, just in different social situations. The emphasis of the age gap is on N being an adult who has little knowledge or experience of society; detached but fully developed in his ways. This is further expanded on by the manga giving the protags jobs and connections in the world, where N has never had the opportunity and reaches out to them as essentially his first point of contact. Unlike real kids his age there's not much minor about Hilbert, he's very responsible and sensible as a counterpart to N. The ship is hinged on him trying to be understanding and negotiating with someone paradoxically less "wise to the world" than him, but who in turn shows him a way of thinking that contradicts what he's experienced. BW doesn't work without the maturity to accept the message of both boys and balance truth and ideals without stomping on either.
>>9627As an mpreg enjoyer
what's the point of sexualizing a pregnant man if there isn't an erection under the curve of his belly? Come ON, guys. Stop thinking about gross childbirth logistics and just be actually horny when you're doing freak of nature stuff.>>9631Yeah has to be a magic monsterboy baby that does cute baby animal type antics instead of real toddler stuff.
No.9854
I like young smaller ukes (shota I've only just been able to admit) but I'm uncomfortable about it. the discourse, accusations, and proximity to people who are actually bad trigger me, it's neverending
No.9864
>>9854ive come to terms with liking shota a while ago, being grouped in with pedophiles is one thing, people who think like that are just retarded moralfags who dont think through what theyre actually saying
what i really dont understand tho are people who claim to be profic and whatever but draw the line at shota. what exactly makes them draw the line there and not at rape or other "problematic" topics? either be okay with everything or nothing but you cant draw your line somewhere and expect others to do so aswell
No.9865
>>9854This one overseas fandom I'm in is such a relief, mostly adult women that are just having fun so it was a shock to see so many go "Holy shit Shota??!! Cute! Genius!!! Siesta wave!!!", I'd almost forgotten that thats how things used to be.
No.9866
>>9864they still probably feel guilty or insecure about it, so it helps them to draw the line somewhere, ie "I may read rape fics but at least not shota" that's basically how I was (without directing hate at others) and I see it a lot.
that, or they've seen too many examples who are messed up and therefore feel suspicious of it. I know what site it is but it unsettles me how many self-proclaimed pedos are on shota threads on /cm/ for instance, adds to my discomfort being in any way associated
No.9867
>>9864there's maybe another dimension too about what it means liking those forms, but it's not good mentally for me to go into right now