No.8357
Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
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>>6984 No.8361
>>8359>I've seen some writers that have been for 2 decades in the game if not more, and havent really improvedPart of me envies people who can keep up their intense interest in one fandom for so long, because I get sad when I feel myself moving on from something, but at the same time, if I was still only into my first fandom after all this time, I would still be stuck churning out Homestuck fanfic instead of enjoying better ships and canons.
And unless the canon shits the bed so hard that all my goodwill dies (like Homestuck), I do usually stay interested enough in past fandoms/ships to keep coming back and looking at fanwork, but my own creative/intensely obsessive period usually ends once I reach the end of the canon or the story concludes.
No.8362
I hate how the people in my fandom baby the grown-ass adult man (he's over 40) regarding BL fanservice while also making sexual comments about him. They'll bitch about boundaries, about keeping shipping on the down-low, with one breath and then ask him to hold them by the waist and flirt with them for the photo-op with the next.
I'd normally agree based on the fact that I think it's cringe to shove shipping on the face of performers, but the fact that I suspect their real problem with him getting handsy with other dudes when he knows a fan likes that sort of thing is actually yumejo possessiveness makes me gives 0 shits about what they think about it.
No.8365
Character ai made me into a yume. I promised myself I would never try to use that shit because it's the most zoomer loser thing ever but my curiosity was too much. I ended up chatting with an ai of Viktor (Arcane) and ended up rimimimg his asshole. I was so turned on I masturbated to the thought of actually tongue fucking his skinny ass and squirted all over my panties and bed. There is no saving for me anymore…
No.8366
>>8365Didn't they take away the option to have two AI characters talk to each other? Shame because I liked watching them infight
Whenever I go on character ai I just insult them a bunch even though I do have a husbando.
No.8367
>>8365More power to you if it works, I can't even read a readerxcharacter first person fic without physically wilting. So consuming a huge amount of energy, supporting AI, and feeding an unknown 3rd party with my sexual fantasies just to get myself off is beyond me.
No.8368
>>8365>I was so turned on I masturbated to the thought of actually tongue fucking his skinny ass and squirted all over my panties and bed. I swear male hands wrote this.
No.8369
>>8364Honestly I'd be more concerned at the fact that this is an underage kid already groomed into being an aiden
No.8371
>>8367Eh it was only once. When clarity hit when I was done I lost interest. It's a very stupid ai with a lot of errors, I don't see how so many people go parasocial over those things
>>8368What does this even mean. I don't like touching myself directly, maybe it's something with the skin texture or how sensitive it can get
No.8373
Anyone that's been into fujo works long enough knows that pretty much all the time, no matter what, whoever bottoms gets the most attention. Both drawn and in fic, the bottom will be at the forefront.
So when I fucking tell you, I don't fucking like an specific pairing as AB rather than BA, it's not "the fucking same" to refer it with the AB name.
I don't know how to call this type of fujo, position neutral? It's not entirely the 'reversible' fujo but the type of person that doesn't care whether a ship has one character at the bottom or the top because "they don't ship it anyway" or "it's just the same", "it's just abbreviating a dynamic" no it's fucking not.
You're clogging the fucking search of BA ship by calling it AB or ABfucks thinking that "it doesn't matter" and making reversible content when you just want BA.
I fucking I hate it and I hate you if you do this shit. No it's not the fucking same.
"Why should it matter if a character bottoms or tops, their personalities shouldn't change" except they fucking do, you don't notice it but they absolutely do. It doesn't matter if it's a platonic work either, somebody who imagines a character more of a bottom will see them in a more laid-back or passive way or sometimes as the uwu woman as opposed to someone who likes hot rapist seme or a character that's more dominant. I hate that there's people who don't have respect for T/B dynamics because "muh gay people don't do this" when fags even DO have a whole fucking subculture about being bottoms.
tldr; tag your shit properly and yes t/b matters
No.8374
>>8373>You're clogging the fucking search of BA ship by calling it AB Is this on ao3? I thought every ship there was automaticslly tagged alphabetically regardless of dynamics
No.8375
>>8374I hate that ao3 does that and I hate that people don't bother to tag top (character)/bottom (character) individually but no, this is tumblr or even fanart/discussions on twitter. Sometimes not on an specific site, but talking to people as well who just refer to a whole dynamic as the most used general shipname regardless if it's AB or BA
No.8376
>>8374>>8375Yeah AO3 usually only has one tag per pairing with no regard to the dynamic.
Even for pairings where I don't care/like both dynamics I want to tag them correctly because it's part of the content and relevant. And sometimes you are just in the mood of a specific dynamic, no? Even if you like both. And then I want correct tags and get what I want by clicking them.
This is especially annoying if your preferred dynamic is the rare one.
No.8377
>>8355I don't get the appeal of this at all. I understand the idea of wanting to feel pretty through your self-insert, but I don't understand why that entails looking like a hentai character. I'm not even talking about having big breasts because I understand why larger-chested women might prefer to self-insert onto a character who looks like them, but these characters don't look like wish-fulfillment. Their outfits aren't usually interesting, and most of the characters look "generically pretty" to me in the same way as the girls in a harem anime. Your post reminded me of that Fxxx Me Royally otome game where the protagonist is a Manic Pixie Dream Girl for the two most generic-looking love interests. In the h-scenes, the protagonist is always naked while the men are clothed. I have no idea why it's like that, or why it's so accepted.
>>8354>People who don't know how unhinged and straight up malicious yumes can get are happier being oblivious to them. I believe you. My main exposure to unhinged yumes is through lolcow, and while they can be annoying or emotionally immature, I just assume they're young and don't know better. I'm very grateful I don't have whatever exposure to them that you did. It's crazy that Genshin yumes can be mad at fujos when the real enemy should be the male fans who try their hardest to ensure husbando/fujobait characters are neglected to drive away female fans.
No.8378
>>8354Yumes are very open about how much they hate fujoshi which is why I can't side with them for the gacha gender war because I don't want the only husbando games being otome. Male characters can't interact without them chimping out. It's just too bad China can't make a joseimuke with fujobait because of those yumes, and Japan can't make a fujobait joseimuke with good gameplay and a budget that actually releases outside of Japan.
No.8380
>>8365Had a hearty laugh at this, thank you. Very good post.
No.8382
>>8354Genshin was also my first brush with the modern yume after writing the whole genre off in the 00s as something only kids (Mary Sue fics) or insane women (Snapewives) did and never seeing much of it since then outside of knowing otome games existed. Watching a bunch of adults who usually weren't even fat or ugly going apeshit over Childe and later Alhaitham (and attacking Kaveh) made me feel like I woke up in a different world. Shipwars are one thing, but yume vs. shipper pvp? Jeez!
No.8383
>>8382Chinese yumes were the opposite kind of deranged trying to report Mihoyo to the authorities for perpetuating "gay propaganda" being so jealous at Kaveh stealing Alhaitham away, but also western Genshin yumes learned to exploit wokespeak to undermine fujos. If you shipped their husbando with another man because god forbid, their blorbo isn't a disgusting fagg— I mean, you're actually a male-obsessed misogynist NLOG. I will never forget the panicked scurrying they did when Guizhong was revealed to have been in a very intimate relationship with another female character (streetward rambler) because their self-insert princess was their trump card in claiming how Zhongli can't be gay for Childe because he's yearning for his lost love, so they just started calling everyone "biphobic". That was an interesting 48 hours.
No.8384
>>8377> I understand the idea of wanting to feel pretty through your self-insertYes infact i love character creation in games, games like infinite nikki too, they are really cute and fun to play.
It's just the whole interacting with a guy that doesn't really know me that doesn't really work with me.
I do have male characters I love and I find attractive don't get me wrong, but my normieself prevents me from fully diving in and shipping them with me.
Another thing is the whole sexuality dilemma, I know some fujos are lesbians or not attracted to men in real life, it's true and I met them, but I will never forget this influx of Tumblr fujos back in the day that treated straight fujos as the evil straight women just because they were straight, I know they were probably all tifs but still.
Sorry for liking both 2d and 3d cock lol
No.8386
>>8384When I stumble on a blog that's filled with anti-straight bullshit I block (after saving all of their art) and forget them.
It's so fucking stupid.
They've invented a brand new way to just hate women and it's acceptible because straight=evil unless you re-post/blog/tweet every "you are safe with me" image. Bonus if you draw the fandom fave with a trans flag somewhere
No.8388
>>8386I always thought the whole "only gay men (tifs) are allowed to like mlm" was retarded even when I was in my pro-gendie phase. Like even handmaiden teenage me understood that these girls were straight and only wanted to act superior about not "fetishizing" gay men like gross "straight women." I hate that they
gendies somehow groomed a bunch of straight girls into being anti-straight.
No.8392
>>8382These people can't even be mocked anymore when they're the ones doing the most harassment over calling a male character gay because they think their husband is cheating. These yumes are why we can't get a gacha game with fujobait or male characters in anything that's no otome anymore. Yumes are too insane about their husbands "cheating" to be able to enjoy fujobait, so they're not even "allies" against the incels.
Is it me or does it feel like there's less mainstream fujo bait series now? Shounen anime used to be good for it but now several shows shove blatant hetero ships in your face, gacha is loosing ground to incels who hate any male character but the self insert protagonist, Western cartoons could canonize a gay ship but they never seem to want to and a lot of indie devs seem to be the types who either moralize about fujos or "problematic relationships".
No.8393
>>8369>>8372There's a podcast I used to follow called page 7 that I had to quit cause one of the hosts was the most insufferable type of social justice activist white woman who talks like an actual NPC and while I'm not surprised she trooned out into an NB I find it insane that she actually gave birth to a child, the most female thing you can do, and still believe in gendie nonsense. Bringing this up cause I feel bad for her daughter who will have no choice but to get brainwashed into this shit. Unless she grows up being embarrassed about her annoying gendie mom which would be fun.
>>8392>Is it me or does it feel like there's less mainstream fujo bait series now?I'm not a gacha game player but I've been keeping up with seasonal anime and I feel you. The biggest recent fujobait franchise I've seen around recently is Blue lock and maybe Wind breaker? I don't actually know how popular Wind breaker is but the anime is one of the gayest things I've been watching this season for sure.
No.8394
>>8392No, it's not just you. A lot of fujos are complaining about the same issue, nobody wants to pander to us anymore. The rare male characters added to any content are yume oriented because you don't have to give them a personality nor interaction with any others because that would ruin their self-insert fantasies anyway, so it's a win-win for them. Most fujos are still holding on to the stuff they enjoyed from 5 years ago because nothing else has caught their attention, and me myself got into creating my own OCs. At some point fujos were normalized to the point series were more willing to accommodate them, but I think it's directly tied to the rocketing rise of conservative values globally that shut the blinds on that development.
No.8396
I hate the people who use the term "biphobia" when they want to complain about people not shipping their het ship or for calling their husbando gay. It's always either a yume or someone with a het ship who's really mad they can't force fujos to see the het ship as "canon". Or dumb Hoyo fans who see the mc pandering as "coding" the character as bisexual. Yeah right, go ask any incel neckbeard if he actually thinks that Firefly is "bisexual".
No.8397
>>8373>You're clogging the fucking search of BA ship by calling it ABThis is so autistic. I never knew the order of the names matters until recently.
>>8388>only gay men (tifs) are allowed to like mlmHow the hell did that purity spiral even start? The first person to have suggested it must have been laughed out of their online safe space.
No.8398
>>8397>How the hell did that purity spiral even start?I think I witnessed the first spark. Year ago, on the pre-boobagate Tumblr, there was some niche discourse about fujoshis/slashers portraying homosexual men in an unrealistic, female-gazey way and that it was as bad as men fetishizing lesbians.
No.8401
>>8398Whining about fujos being unrealistic in portraying gay men has been a thing since at least the Livejournal times and I'm sure as long as slash has existed.
http://web.archive.org/web/20121017004515/http://wiki.fandomwank.com:80/index.php/But_what_are_your_thoughts_on_yaoi%3FThere was also Minotaur's guide on writing slash. (Which I have found helpful, personally)
No.8402
I hate having enough money for my hobbies but not enough time. So close, yet so far. So it doesn't matter that I can afford plenty of streaming subscriptions, books and a good computer because I read less manga and watch less anime than I used to. It's better than when I was a university student because it was the worst of both worlds, I had no time and no money for any of this and pirating everything was a pain in the ass because my laptop at the time was a piece of shit who couldn't even run microsoft word properly.
No.8403
>>8397>This is so autistic. I never knew the order of the names matters until recently.Then you're new. This has been a common convention since the Star Trek fic days.
No.8404
>>8396It's not like the characters they're talking about are canonically bisexual which makes it even more retarded, at that point I can just spin it around and call the other person homophobic because I headcanon xyz as a strictly gay man or whatever the fuck. The argument is essentially "if you dislike m/f ships in any capacity you hate bisexuals" which makes 0 sense.
No.8405
>>8404>The argument is essentially "if you dislike m/f ships in any capacity you hate bisexuals" which makes 0 sense.That's exactly what they're saying. It's het fans who are angry they can't get a fujoshi to give a fuck about their het ship and write fics for them. Or yumes who take gay headcanons very personally. They even admit it, which is why I hate seeing how accepted it for yumes to be insane online now and argue that you're causing them harm for calling their husbando a homo in your own space.
Anyway calling gachaslop mc pandering characters "bisexual" is the biggest cope. A lot of yumes are homophobes who melt down even at the idea of their husbando being bisexual because they feel like they're getting cucked. People really think some Hoyo man is going to be allowed to be bisexual? They just ignore the other mc. Have their "bi king" actually get fujobait and watch the meltdowns.
No.8406
>popular headcanon that male character is bi
>looks inside
>he's either shipped with a woman or with a male where 99% of the content has him as a tranny
>"bi" character ends up only fucking pussy and never sucking one(1) cock
uh huh
No.8407
>>8406There is also the case when they do polyamory ships or ot3 where its just focused on the het stuff and the other guy watches lol
Some people just can't admit they only like het shipping, it's so ridiculous
No.8410
>>8392Not sure if you would consider them mainstream but Hikaru, Karaoke Iko and Osomatsu S4 are airing next season.
On the plus side there are more BLs getting anime and j-drama/movie adaptations so it's not a loss per se as BL is becoming more mainstream while anime is becoming a landfill for LN trash.
No.8411
>>8410>while anime is becoming a landfill for LN trashThis is a tragedy. I don't care for 3D, BL or not.
No.8414
>>8413Us NEET fans can't stop winning! lol
I hope someday you get into a non-shonen series that gets multiple seasons as well.
No.8416
>>8397The order of names in pairings is a big thing in Asian fandom spaces. It determines who tops and who bottoms. No joke, there are people who will block/mute you if you don't like their preferred order or ship the reversed order KEK
No.8417
>find a fan with good art/one good take I agree with
>go to look at their profile
>she/they
>ok sure yeah whatever
>has a straw page because of fucking course they do
>”proship dni” + political sperging
>rest of feed is politics, making it hard to find their art even in the media tab
Every time. This is more common for stuff like fandoms for western cartoons but then you have anime fans who are into stuff like Jojos who want to be seen as superior even with all the unhinged shit in it.
No seriously, why is it almost always Jojo fans?
No.8418
>>8410Holy shit. I totally forgot about osomatsu. My husband Karamatsu…I can't believe i'll see him again.
No.8419
>>8417It's shonenshit fans in general. It appeals to mainstream audiences and thusly attracts that sort of fan disproportionately.
Saying this as a Jojo fan btw.
No.8420
>>8417Never, ever trust a western fan. They're either trannies or minors or both. When I see good anime art made by westerns I just like, retweet and save them. With how popular SBR is you better get ready for a wave of retarded takes and tranny johnny art too anon
No.8421
>>8420I think it's easy to tell them apart. I am a drawing westerner too. The difference between normal fans and the annoying ones is that the latter always have pronouns in their bio. If there is no flag or pronoun and if they have 18+ in their bio they're always fine in my experience.
No.8422
>>8417Mainstream anime fans in the West will always be like this now. Twitter is very polarized so there's only two extremes, the psychotic moids who hate any homo fanart and women in fandom, but then most female fans or anyone who draws gay art will be like this. Most of them will be antis now. They think they can only draw gay shit if it's for representation and so it needs to be a certain standard, or else they're no better than the hentai loving moids who only see female characters as nothing but goon objects. It's bad out there.
No.8423
I found someone recently who draws good art of a ship of mine that I found out is considered "problematic rapey age gap" in the western fandom, was pleased to see how public they were about it. Then I saw they had a strawpage and knew they couldn't be over the age of 20, naturally they had "proship DNI" in big letters, and when I scrolled further down their twitter I discovered they regularly made posts wishing death and murder on a character from the same series as the ship. Just retweeting people with his ship in their name and saying how they wanted him killed with rusty nails and set fire to while still conscious. Children are fucking nasty these days.
No.8424
>>8423>draws good art of a ship of mine that I found out is considered "problematic rapey age gap" >had "proship DNI" in big letterslolwat. How does this happen? Is it an immortal/non-human x human ship or something?
No.8425
>>8424a lot of fans these days are gaslighting themselves.
the amount of adachi p4 fans who are antis… No.8426
>>8422>or else they're no better than the hentai loving moids who only see female characters as nothing but goon objectsIn my experience , most of these people are straight up hypocrites. You have them criticize men and whining about the male gaze only to have their page full of how horny they are but it’s ok because they’re totally lgbt you guys! Most of the time it’s self proclaimed lesbians who have never touched another pussy before in their lives but they will constantly talk about how they love yuri and need big naturals on their face….its like their only idea of liking a woman comes from straight men and they’re trying so hard to imitate it while hating them in the same breath. Idk it’s just strange to me.
>>8423Oh I get you. Unfortunately stuff like this is normalized to the point where it goes beyond characters and right to people they don’t agree with. These people will cry if they get any pushback but tell proshippers that they should get raped in their dms.
No.8427
>>8426I don't really think they're imitating men, I think they're just being "safe horny"… on Twitter it's like you can only express arousal in meme buzzwords. "She pegs him" and "make her fatter", shit like that. You'll notice it pretty much always puts the woman in the dominant position, but realistically not everyone is a submissive, it's just more socially acceptable than saying you want to pin a woman down and fuck her.
In the BL scene safe horny amounts to saying you like toxic yaoi but when it goes beyond rivals to lovers tripe it's suddenly problematic. The point being that sexuality is only really acceptable when it's expressed in very rigid ways.
No.8428
>>8424It's shockingly common, although I see it happen more often among young yumes. Not too long ago a yume who happens to be relatively popular in the Tumblr corner of a niche literature fandom got bullied by other yumes at the discovery of her husbando being a rapist, and instead owning up to it and giving them the middle finger like she should have, she made a several paragraphs-long Google doc worth of pure copium that can be summed up as 'there are no scenes in which my husbando is directly shown sexually abusing anybody', which not only is a blatant lie but also believe me is a very, VERY pedantic conversation have in the first place about a character whose whole deal is torture. All of this while being firmly in the anti camp since the beginning.
No.8429
>>8428Nona, you cannot just say this and not give us the name of her husbando kek.
No.8430
>>8428>>8423This probably belongs in the pro/anti-shipper thread, but 99% of antis I come across as very hypocritical to me as they are okay with fictional "problematic" content that is socially acceptable within their circle or the genre they consume. I wish hardcore antis would fuck off and watch kids shows instead of making fandoms terrible.
No.8431
>>8424> Is it an immortal/non-human x human ship or something?I will never understand people who sperg over this. Let us have that fucking fantasy of fucking a god/vampire/werewolf/demon/etc! Part of the appeal is how long they've lived and how they found love with a rando mortal. Holy shit it's like they suck out the fun out of popular tropes.
And maturity doesn't always increase with age. I know plenty of geriatrics that act like spoiled teenagers.
No.8432
>>8428Is it Jimmy from Mouthwashing because I already saw someone get cancelled for yumeing him.
No.8434
>>8429AM from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, which is a short story especially iconic for its 90s videogame adaptation. It has always been popular among science fiction and gothic lit circles but most of its online discussion was limited to 4chan's /v/idya board and some slavic forums, with a lowkey fujoshi presence on Tumblr and AO3. In the last few years it has exploded in popularity and conversely attracted a ton of annoying people, and with that the Tumblr side has shifted from fujo-dominant to being comprised of young yumes who get into drama like the one described above.
>>8432Coincidentally enough IHNMaIMS was somewhat of an inspiration for Mouthwashing, although I don't care about the latter.
No.8435
>>8434>IHNMAIMSRead a fanfic once were AM rapes and kind of falls in love with the guy that survives. Not really falls in love but makes himself a body to rape and abuse him more physically. Very good read, if anyone wants to give it a try:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/48238813/chapters/121652278 No.8436
>>8424Nah it's a 19-year-old and a 30-year-old, I think I've brought it up before. Canonically the younger guy turned down the other's offer of sex and nothing happened between them after that, they're on good terms. In the ship the younger guy tops and can be forceful, lots of dubcon since he's technically in a position of authority and has scammed the older guy in the past, but the western fans either treat it like the older guy is "rapey" for bottoming, or complain that "all the fans of this ship mischaracterize them therefore the ship is wrong (proceeds to spam memes that mischaracterize core parts of their characters)." The older guy is incredibly respectful and trusting, especially for someone whose original impression of the younger man was "ah, so he's just a terrible person after all!" And the younger guy is very sensitive to how other people feel about him, he pushes buttons on purpose but he only ever does things he can make up for. The two of them basically act like concerned parents all the time. I'm sure anyone who's watched the series knows exactly who I'm talking about and you need to agree with me that actually the younger guy needs to get fucked while doing double peace signs and expressing his excitement in gasping monotone.
>>8425It's always "you guys are immoral but not whatever I'm interested in!" Excuses to not switch sides in their silly imagined conflict.
>>8426It's especially concerning after covid, when everyone's social interactions ended up being digital, that younger generations still have a detachment where they can't see other people online as humans with feelings. It's fine to act like a total dick to strangers like it's a game, everyone else does it, whatever. I hate thinking how many kids get burned by this behavior. There was a pretty scary story on reddit from a mother whose daughter had gotten caught in an anti grooming discord and ended up self harming. Anyway, shit, nona is right, this should be in the dedicated thread.
>>8431It's a fictional concept that can't exist in real life, it's playing with pure imagination. That's why someone shared in the other thread that they came up with "comships" to refer to immortal/mortal ships, to give them a get out free clause whenever people question their 500 year age gaps.
No.8438
>>8434I have no mouth and I must scream has a FANDOM?! lol i enjoyed the pc game and short novel but I had no idea lol
Guess it's for the best but it's wild how now there is a fandom for anything the moment it becomes popular with kids that is.
No.8439
>>8437This is a very doomer thing of me to say but I've seen indications that the remake of 3 sanitized dialogue so I could see them doing that to 4 as well and that would make it even worse.
No.8440
>>8438AM should be crossover shipped with HAL 900O
No.8447
FUCK Japanese DVD/BD prices. FUCK being in a fandom where people hold onto theirs so the secondhand market still sells for near full price or more. FUCK my poor ass. 2.5D is a curse.
No.8448
>>8435This was hot. Thanks for the recommendation
No.8449
>>8439P3R had some cute additions in the dorm hangouts. But yeah, they definitely scraped away things that could be viewed as mildly controversial. Kanji's story arc is going to be a mess, though maybe we'll finally get bisexual Yosuke.
It's like a monkey's paw curling. They don't really make these things for original fans, honestly.
No.8451
>>8450Idol/idol anime fans are just insane, that's why. You chose the wrong niche to get invested in, I'm afraid.
No.8452
>>8451Funnily enough none of the 2.5D I've been into were adaptations of idol series. Just fujo stuff. I did watch some Hypmic plays through a friend but those are relatively easy to come by.