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 No.2521[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Discuss the current state of modern fandoms with the anti/pro discourse.
>What is pro/anti discourse?
Pro and anti refers to two stands in current fandom culture of what is acceptable or not to show in fiction. Anti is someone who is against anything that can be considered problematic (incest, age gaps, abuse,etc) and pro is someone who is in favour of anything problematic. But the labels can usually be something bigger, like discourse with headcanons, whitewashing, etc etc… The problematic things are just the more common ones.
>Where do these discourses usually take place?
Usually on places like Twitter, Tumblr and Ao3, but they can also be seen in other places like Discord servers, TikTok and so on.
>Are there any reads about this?
Here's a few, feel free to post more that you find!
https://note.com/orangiah/n/n437e262ce2ce (Japanese artist explaining the whole anti/pro thing)
https://www.themarysue.com/fandom-has-a-purity-culture-problem/ (general article talking of purity culture in fandom spaces)
https://www.cbr.com/cartoon-fandom-has-a-puritanism-problem/ (article about puritanism as well as a debunk in another article saying children's media has a porn problem)

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https://archive.is/9WPtF
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 No.8763

>>8762
"anti" types are so strange to me since they're fine with piss kinks but freak the fuck out over sibling incest

 No.8765

>>8762
>trigun
>transmetropolitan
Half of these people are probably projecting.

 No.8766

>>8763
One that they lost it over was "misgendering kink." Apparently it's deeply transphobic and hurts "the community" for a woman to want to be called a little boy during sex. Not that the user with it made much sense when stating it.



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 No.4016[Reply]

I would like to watch some Gundam with nonas, using a service such as Cytube.

I'm open to scheduling it as a 'few episodes a week', or 'A bunch of episodes in bulk'. Both are good.

My timezone is Berlin time, GMT +1.

Nonas can let me know which Gundam they'd like to watch. I'm fine with anything that has cute boys. My personal wish is Zeta Gundam, but I'm also fine watching another timeline or repeating the 0079 series (Albeit perhaps with dub or something to shake it up).
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 No.8686

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>>8641
Discord - NOT EVEN ONCE

Just post your thoughts here. The series doesn't matter - I've seen most of Gundam.

 No.8687

>>8641
Congrats on starting college nonna!

I prefer here personally the site you were using last time worked well.

 No.8731

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Hearing Amuro's voice upon rewatch feels so weird after the Furuya scandal.



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 No.8357[Reply]

Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.

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>>6984
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 No.8714

>>8713
I feel the same, I don't understand why these people are reading stuff like Jinx or Walk in My Shoes religiously if they hate it so much.
I've read some of the comments they leave and supposedly they're waiting for the author to punish/redeem the jerk top and for the story to finally get good but… It's obvious to anyone with media literacy and a brain that's never gonna happen, and if it does, it's not gonna be in the way these readers want.
I'll never get it. If I get annoyed by an aspect of any manga/webtoon/novel, even if it's the stupidest thing ever, I just drop the damn thing and forget about it, not keep up with it until it ends while leaving dozens of comments about why the story/character/author is horrible every day/week.
If they want fluff they should look for it., there's ton of SOL cozy stuff out there!
The tags are there to warn them of any triggering topic it may contain ffs… Sigh

 No.8715

>>8714
>they're waiting for the author to punish/redeem the jerk top and for the story to finally get good
To be fair I see Jinx attempting that redemption arc right now even if the progress is piecemeal. But no it's not going to improve the story's quality.
I quite like Jinx despite its flaws though. The writing may be ass but it's definitely engaging enough to draw a large crowd back week after week. There are worse manhwas/webtoons out there but doesn't get the attention Jinx gets because nobody could continue reading that shit, not even moralfags who want to hate on obvious ragebait or whatever.

 No.8716

>>8715
I think in the case of Jinx the art is a big part of the draw for people. The story is middling and predictable, but the detail in the characters is better than a lot of other comparable comics.

>>8714
If you want to see people really jump through hoops trying to rationalize how characters can/should be redeemed (or punished), look at Slammer Dogs and Control Time. It's mind-boggling.



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 No.6255[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Post cringy anti-fujos takes to laugh at or even discuss.

Old thread >>4731
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 No.8746

>>8745
Life gets so much better when you only interact with yuri/het fans who are fujos first. I really don’t have the energy to deal with these kinds of people anymore.

 No.8747

>>8746
There's so many yuri fans who are fine with homophobic het fans claiming fujoshi are misogynistic. They claim fujos are the homophobes but when they're fine with people like this no one cares and they don't get half the bad pr fujos get.

 No.8748

>>8747
We survived the witch hunts of the ‘10s and came out victorious, this too shall pass. Every trial we brave makes the resolve of the fujos who come out the other side stronger and more unashamed.



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 No.7969[Reply]

How do Japanese events work? Inspired due to quality content posted by nonas in the Refantazio thread.

>How do events work?


>What is your experience with Japanese doujinshi events?
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 No.8548

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https://x.com/hahaha3/status/1917860293998477396 This user made a chart on how doujin culture differs between men and women and it seems pretty interesting, like how the second to last point is about how women are more hesitant to earn a profit on their works while men will just set the price to whatever they want. I'm not confident enough about my japanese to make a translation of the chart so I'm presenting it as is.

 No.8558

>>8548
I remember seeing some controversy surrounding doujin culture between men and women (because of umamusu artist making profit off skeb and fantia and people going 'you deserve being punished!' 'this wouldn't happen in fujo circles!') and aren't nip fujos (yumes too) too unnecesarily autistic?
Like looking at the picture, I have no idea why uploading pics of your loot is considered a bad thing. This is common all the time for everything. Same with the autistic need to 'not gain any profit from doujins', male doujinka don't give a shit.
Is it really just the typical japanese commonality of being "humble" and "generous" forever even if it's completely unnecesary?

 No.8560

>>8558
It's femininity, making money is bad (=self-interested) you see
>I have no idea why uploading pics of your loot is considered a bad thing
Yeah it makes no sense. Posting loot is fun



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 No.4596[Reply]

Right now, ship wars for gay paring are much less common than in the past, but I notice one divide that still exists, a popular ship based on which male leads are the most conventionally attractive will usually be at odds with another ship, based on actual character development, an example I grew up with was Beyblade where the two most shipped characters were Kai and Rei, despite not having much interaction because they looked the most attractive. The most famous example of this would be One Piece, where Zosan remains the most popular for the same reason
I can see both sides of the arguments, but personally I support shipping based on what people find attractive in the first place
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 No.5537

Both would be the best, but I care about the characters being interesting more, for me personally the characters being engaging on their own is more important than interactions, especially if most of the interactions are cookie-cutter, if they don't have an interesting story or origin even, I am not really going to be into them.
My favorite dynamic is antagonist/antihero/antagonist with redemption arc with hero, and often thankfully the nemesis gets a great design, even better than the mains.

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Daredevil is a good example of a general vice shift. In any another context Matt/Foggy would have been the most popular shit, but Foggy looked like he was objectively and canonically an unattractive guy and so it got pushed aside in comparison to Daredevil/Punisher (a more typical rivals ship), but around 3-4 years Matt/Foggy became popular and surpassed Daredevil/Punisher, so I think again there is a shift where dynamics and character interaction prevail over just looks

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>>4609
Harry Du Bois/Kim Kitsuragi from Disco Elysium
Roadhog/Junkrat from Overwatch



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 No.5554[Reply]

How did you become a fujoshi?

Last thread: https://fujochan.org/bl/res/102.html
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 No.8322

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>>5554
I was reading Harry Potter fanfic on ff.net back when I was 11. I saw the Drarry fics but I didn't click on them, mostly I read gen fics, marauders fics, marauders time travel fics, and anything that wasn't straight up porn or RonxHermione. Anyways one day I started a very mysterious, untagged fic that was structured like an epistolary novel. Two students at Hogwarts start corresponding anonymously through some magical trinket. You understand very quickly the first student is Harry but the second, well, the mystery was much thicker, at least to 10 years old me. Anywys this fic is great and the love between the corresponding students grows as the fic goes, until they reveal their identities to each other… Gasp, the other student was Draco. The rest is history.

 No.8341

>>8322
Ah, porny HP fics - the destroyers of innocence. Happened to me too.

 No.8363

>>8341
Kek there wasn't even any porn. I vividly remember my first porny HP fic though, it was a hardcore Ginny Hermione Snape threesome in the Slytherin dungeons that involved a lot of bondage. I was reading it like others would watch a trainwreck in slow mo.



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 No.6984[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.

Previous Thread
>>5288
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 No.8356

>>8355
The dragon boy on that first one is cute. Switch his position and state of undress with the woman and I will now play your game.

 No.8359

>>8353
>at least my skills are leveled up for the next ship
In theory yes and I hope for that for you, but I've seen some writers that have been for 2 decades in the game if not more, and havent really improved lel

 No.8360

New thread since this one hit bump limit which is 500 for the newfags
>>8357



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 No.5538[Reply]

Self-inserting has always been a thing, however, more than ever has it not taken in an almost parasitic and viral infestation in general fandom and the BL scene.

Whether it's the need to make gay ships het by adding a vagina/transing, or blatantly stating they see non-insert ships as cucking, let's talk about self-inserting and how bad it's gotten.
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 No.8047

>>8043
Other anon. And yeah Jetfire/SS is one of the ships I categorically ignore since I never see it being done without SS being full ooc. It's the most extreme case of uwufying. Like I don't condemn it or anything, it's just nothing that interest me. I want villains to keep their traits even if they're toned down in a love story.
btw we should discuss this in the TF thread, it's sad how dead it is and I feel like there is a lot to discuss lol

 No.8051

I specifically dislike authors self-inserts tbh, which also end up being people’s self-inserts because readers relate to what the author feels. This is very true when it comes to Japanese authors, like one big giveaway is when the main character has a super generic design while everyone else has unique, detailed ones. Of course the author doesn’t want their personal avatar to have a standout design because it’d be harder to relate to right? It's annoying because I’m here to read a story not to watch the author’s projection wacky adventures.

 No.8052

>>8051
This is my main gripe with manga. Worst of all is that you can tell by the narrative by how the MC is treated by the plot and the side characters compared to everybody else. They're the only ones allowed to be savior and do the cool shit, everybody who is good loves them, everybody who is evil respects them because MC is just so fucking awesome (and I usually dislike them).

I either drop such series or stick to them because I am unlucky enough to love some of the side characters and have to bear with the endless shilling for as long as the series is running because the insecure author cannot share empathy or success with other characters, especially not other characters of the same gender as them.

It's the no. 1 reason for why most media and especially most manga are shit IMO.



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 No.8[Reply]

why do people always claim fujoshi hate female characters? most of the fujos i hang/hung with had tons of female favorites and only ever despised women that didn't do anything (orihime of bleach, for example).

i don't get the whole yumejo vs. fujo war either, is that just a psyop by moids?
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 No.7873

>>7871
Fanservice design being hard to overlook is so annoying, especially in shonen. But I get the feeling that these fanservice designs are enforced sometimes - like Bishamon in Noragami is introduced in a bikini outfit and then the authors (who are both women) gradually stop using it and show her more often in a suit. Then they actually 'kill off' the outfit (it makes sense in context, the outfit is a character who turns into clothes) so it can never actually appear again.
The Kimetsu author is also supposedly female and the vibe I got from the extra comic about Mitsuri's outfit was 'I'm writing this to complain about my shitty male editor', but hey, I could be totally wrong.
>If the character design appeals to me, I’ll end up liking the character (male or female) even if they are badly written because I do think they have potential simply because their design is nice.
This is how I work too, unless a girl just turns out to be a love interest.

 No.7874

>>7872
Same, I genuinely like Kemono Friends season 1. Now that's a world where female characters just exist, don't think too hard about it.

 No.7875

>>7872
Sorta of agree nonna but I think often times needing to get rid of men just to make female characters shine feels kinda depressing. I sometimes wish there was shows where men and women coexisted without devolving into love drama (doesn't stop the fans from shipping them but that's how most ships got their start).



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