No.6592
>>6590>That even het pairings are suffering from this.It's been one million years and I'm still a little butthurt about Danny Phantom. I also remember the endings of Naruto and Bleach were more Ichiruki and Narusaku shippers getting dumped on more than Sasunaru and whatever Ichigo's popular yaoi ship was (Grimmjow?).
>>6582>I was just really happy with the open-ended one in 430. To have that crushed is kinda devastating still. This is kind of how I feel about it. Like, wow a shonen author who acknowledges that crushes you have as a teen ain't shit? Revolutionary. Just kidding 8 years later they are still crushing on each other despite having little meaningful contact since then. It's so goofy. Anyway as the fandom dies down Bkdk will continue to be the ship that gets the most content, just like Sasunaru before it and that is the metric that really matters (because if it didn't, nobody would be mad about it).
No.6593
>>6592>I'm still a little butthurt about Danny PhantomWas a bit too young for it as a kid (started airing when I was like 3 or 4) but when I watched some of it as an adult I liked the chemistry between Danny and Val, kind of a shame they went with the default 'nlog best friend' love interest.
No.6594
>>6590>>6589Nah, both were shitty options. One a genki retard, the other a tsundere asshole. I hate both tropes.
No.6595
>>6592Hey, fwiw a t least Bakugo didn't go down the Frog girl route. I remember she was more popular ship than Ochako at one point, but then she basically became a no fun allowed background character.
No.6597
>>6595Was that around the Kamino rescue arc?
RIP to Iida's character after the Stain arc and Kirishima's after the Overhaul arc. And then Endeavor overshadowed Shoto.
I wanted to see so much of class 1A and 1B but Hori had a few core themes he kept pushing and 200 new characters who were hit or misses.
No.6621
>>5013I know that feeling nonnie. It's not really what you're talking about but I have a few mutuals who like sakamoto days and with the anime coming in a few weeks I'm reminded of how much I kind of resent (not really) nagumo x shin. Feels like the most egregious case of shipping two hot, popular characters and having to jump through hoops to make them into the IT ship in the Eastern fandom. They barely talk (4 panels at most!!!), no previous history together to make it spicy, and their only relevance is to stand next to each other in splash art since Lu is no longer relevant kek. At least I'm guaranteed pretty fanart for both. Plus I also get a giggle out of some people seething over it beating their het ships.
But sometimes I can't help but sigh dejectedly and say, "Really? Out of everyone here you choose them as your OTP?"
No.6623
>>6621Anon wasn't alive during the crossover ship craze. Being in the same series? Try being a Danny Phantom x Any Nick show shipper
No.6625
>>6623Admittedly, I wasn't in that part of the internet, but if my response made it seem I don't like crossover shipping then pls don't LOL. Some of my teenage years were spent reading FMA/Harry Potter crossovers and greatly enjoying the sans x sans ships of various aus (afterdeath, errorink, dreamberry, etc). I'm sure if I was born older then I would've absolutely tried out Danny Phantom x Any Nickelodeon char ship. If I sound to mean then I apologize but that doesn't mean I can't recognise why some people ship them and it not being my personal cup of tea.
No.6626
>>6625> FMA/Harry Potter based. I think my first fanfiction wave was literally crossovers exclusively because I NEEDED everything to take place in Naruto, Bleach and indeed- Harry Potter.
That being said, I had a notp similarly of Demyx/Zexion from Kingdom Hearts. They are the youngest looking and most attractive male members of Organization XIII and look like teenagers. There was no Birth by Sleep either, no lore. People just mass picked the two late teens looking boys and decided to ship them and I HATED it. Now? I don't care. But ages 14-18 I felt disgust at the utterance of any 'Zemyx.'
Oh, and they never once talk to each other, nor have a single exchange where they're in the same room. They breathe the same air at best and in their own game I am positive they don't even know each other's names.
They actually meet in KH3 but the game seems to be under the assumption you ship them because there is no way to read their cutscene together otherwise.
No.6627
>>6626Ohh my memories are unlocked, zemyx, also saix x xemnas, they were so popular back then.
I think part of the reason for their popularity came from how different the two are. Zexion is this emo looking bookish nerd, while Demyx is a carefree musician with shaved hair and a laid-back vibe. That contrast must have fueled so many fan headcanons.
No.6630
>>6627At least Saix and Xemnas spoke to each other in canon. Zexion and Demyx never met in KH2. My ship was Xigbar x Demyx. I feel vindicated thanks to KH3's Luxu business and that in 358/2 Days, Demyx calls Xigbar "Xiggy."
Besides, Zexion was better off with Lexaeus. That was hot
No.6634
>>6623I feel like characters in the same series who make no attempt to know each other are more of a challenge than throwing characters from different series together and making them interact by way of unusual circumstances. In that respect I think your best bet is using an AU to push two characters to engage with one another, but you need a dynamic in mind to motivate this. When you grab guys from wherever you're more likely to pick them
because they'll be interesting as a duo.
By the way, what era would the crossover ship craze have been? I completely missed Danny Phantom myself, not sure if it's not living in Canada/US or a generational thing. FF.net had shitloads of crossovers that required their own categories, but it was a regular gen fic occurrence rather than a notable craze. It was also more stuff like "the Beybladers go to Xavier's School for the Gifted" and "Inuyasha and Kagome accidentally go to Hogwarts and date
gasp other people". The isekai magic academy of its day.
No.6635
>>6634I was teasing anon but honestly, it only really annoys me when/if there's a push for a ship that doesn't even have potential outside of general attractiveness and the most shallow College AU tropes.
I write crack pairings almost exclusively and always have. Inuyasha example, Jakotsu/literally any male cast member or Bankotsuo (i miss him.) C-tier bad guys for like, 3 episodes but I remember wanting fanfics of them because their motivations and deaths just had so much potential for making a life elsewhere. But, say, Sesshoumaru x Koga is more or less "they're attractive" and that's about… it. Picrel was A++.
>By the way, what era would the crossover ship craze have been? I want to say 2008-2010? The new stories were a huge storm of anime x popular cartoon or anime x anime. Hitman Reborn and High School DxD are the repeats I've seen the most.
No.6636
>>6635>BankotsuoMy bad. Been years and my memory of spelling is mostly from bad translations and middle school memories.
No.6639
>>6586I think Wrio/Lyney is interesting and pretty hot. It's good for hatesex at least.
No.6643
>>6639>Wrio/LyneyIt had no business to be so intense I almost hated Wrio until reveal, damn that thug enjoyed mind torturing Lyney
Fontaine story loves punching three legged pups like Furina and him, there’s Navia suffering too but idc
No.9900
>>577 boy am I glad to see another tatsujun hater LMFAO
No.9901
I have sort of an issue with tatsujun, though it's mostly with the fans. One of my problems is when they INSIST that Jun's the canon love interest for him and they attack anyone who ships Tatsuya with anyone that isn't Jun. Apparently Eternal Punishment doesn't exist. I feel like they don't take the fact that Tatsuya gets four options to choose who he likes in a certain dungeon into account or they ignore it solely based on the fact Jun's on it. If the player chooses Jun, the relationship bar changes and he can get the contact option to flirt with Jun, that's literally it. It doesn't change the plot whatsoever and is never mentioned again in Eternal Punishment.
Maybe it's just me, but I think a fair amount of tatsujun fans either watched bits and pieces of the game when Jun was on-screen and called it a day or they just ran with the fact Jun likes Tatsuya and is immediately like "THEY ARE CANON!" but fail to realize that there is no canon romance in Innocent Sin, if there was, I don't think Tatsuya would have the ability to choose who he likes and only one person would be chosen or it'd be clear on who it was. People are still free to ship whoever they want of course, but at the end of the day no one's canon in Innocent Sin. Eternal Punishment is a different story though, ahem… I think it's fucking dumb when people insist on something being canon when it isn't.
Again Jun does like Tatsuya, but so does Lisa, so it's kind of silly to act like Jun's the only one with canonical feelings and to run with it. Besides, the whole romance thing or how people think it is with Jun was literally confirmed by Atlus it was only to satisfy the female fans who were into the BL subculture. I don't think they can fathom the fact that two guys can have a platonic relationship because that's the vibe I got anytime Tatsuya and Jun were together, even in their childhood days.
No.9902
>>577>when the "gay option" is just one throwaway line with no impact on the game whatsoever. Excuse me, did you forget when picking Jun gives you one (1) new negotiation option where Tatsuya and Jun flirts in front of a demon and the demon either ships them or says homophobic insults?! But seriously, I like tatsujun but I've stopped interacting with the fandom a very long time ago so I've avoided shippers saying stupid things about P2 for a very long time as well. Thank god for that, it seems like it's still as unbearable as when I was still on tumblr in 2015.
No.9904
>>9902I don't necessarily hate or like tatsujun, tbh, I think i'm more neutral on it, I just hate how the fandom acts about it and shit, it's still mostly worse on twt, but I do not blame you for avoiding shippers!
No.9905
>>9903Aw I mildly ship it and I know who you're talking about, I think she's a queen but I understand how if it's someone's NOTP then that'd be their worst nightmare. If only all our OTPs had someone who commissioned like crazy like that and it was all tagged correctly for those who don't want to see it
No.9907
>>9903I gladly have no clue who you are referring to, but I could never get into this ship simply because the majority is seme Chrollo and I firmly believe he should be getting ass railed. No one can convince me otherwise.
No.9908
>>9906the anime probably contributes the most to that, and his earlier appearance
No.9920
>>9905I can't fault her either. Much props to those who can put money towards their fujo fantasies, I try as much as I can too, but when you've completed molded the characters to the point where they are unrecognizable to other fans are you a true fan or are you a fan of what you have molded? Are they just your OCs at this point? Maybe I'm reading too into it.
>>9906It's weird, because Chrollo with his hair slicked back has a completely different aura from hair down Chrollo. I'm glad Togashi draws him more like this in "recent" chapters.
>>9911Absolutely based.
No.11587
After replaying Kirby entirely I realized that I hate MetaDedede for spreading mischaracterization, and not because I'm a contrarian. Upon shipping them, a fangirl is unable to look at what they were like individually before KRtDL. She can never believe that Dedede used to be Dreamland's strongest, or that Meta Knight didn't work under him.
No.11604
Couldn't fucking stand papyton back in 2015, still can't stand it now. It would be one thing if the fans accepted it as the crackship that it is but they're so obnoxious and adamant that it is/will be canon. I've yet to see any real "proof" for it beyond "papyrus called mettaton sexy and he's such a Nice Guy so obviously he deserves robobussy, if you disagree you're ableist and don't think childish autistic adults are worthy of love". It's unbearingly onesided and reduces mtt to being some manchild's trophy mommy figure.
No.11605
>>11604At first I thought you were talking about Pariston x Ging
No.11795
Ike/Soren autistic spergout incoming
(I'm gonna have to split this because it's too long lol)
I remembered this because of the recent gamecube releases on the switch 2. Anyway I'm not a fan this one for several reasons, the most prominent being that the fans of this ship glorify it so much and call it wholesome when it really just isn't. Mind you, I could care less about 'proshipping' and I am not a moralfag when it comes to toxic ships. However, this ship right here is not wholesome at all, and is one of the biggest examples of a relationship, platonic or romantic, that has a whole lot of toxic dependency (not completely but close). I also found Soren's devotion to Ike to be somewhat retarded since it was shown that there were other people who were willing to be kind to him, but he acted as if Ike was the only one who had that propensity for kindness just because the nigga threw a sandwich at him one day ten years ago (I guess this is a problem with the games glazing Ike so much in general but I digress).
Anyway, another reason why I dislike this ship so much is because people pretend there is 'canoncity' to it when there really is not. All the interactions between these two in both games are stale with no romantic subtext at all (You can maybe argue that it may come from Soren a little since he's obsessed with Ike, but none at all from Ike himself other than the scene I will soon talk about). Its fans say a hug at the end of Radiant Dawn (the second game in the series) as the biggest proof of such when really, it's just a scene about hugging someone who has finally truly opened up after years of holding in deep-seated traumas and horrible memories. Who wouldn't have hugged Soren in that moment? But canoncity and non-canoncity is besides the point (since Ike is already confirmed to have a descendant). Really, I'm just taking jabs at the fans at this point.
No.11796
>>11795The third reason is because the ship is just so boring. Here we have stoic mercenary whose in-game supports are all tailored around the other person he interacts with (meaning his personality, while there, is limited. He does grow as a person though, even if it is semi-rushed and not done very properly or interestingly…but I blame that on the games needing to be better paced more fleshed out) and brooding, anti-social, 'mean because of my dark past but I'm actually a softie on the inside guiz!!111' kuudere-borderline-tsun type. Two characters with very little emotional depth makes for a very bland ship. (Mind you, the english translation of Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn added a lot of 'spiciness' to the character's dialogue, so, in all actuality, they're both even more canonically boring than people perceived them as. A lot of the 'umph' and 'sass' came from localization changes) That's why all the fanart and fanfiction between these two is boring or outright OOC-like because it's just that lame. While I'm not much of a fan of Ike/Ranulf either, at least Ranulf's more laid-back, fun personality makes that ship more interesting. And you know what, I wouldn't even mind Ike/Soren being so boring if its fans didn't try to make everyone pretend that it's good and so heckin' wholesome. (A real one admits when their taste is bad but they like it anyway).
Everyone who glazes this ship just needs to admit that they like it solely because it has a sadboy twink uke with a sob-story past and a hot muscular cool and stoic guy from super smash brothers as the seme. P.S. MarthxIke was much more exciting, even if it was only because of the fans autism at the time.
Anyway, I'd write about more ships, but I think I've subjected you all to enough ranting. Glad I was able to get this out of my system.
No.11797
>>11795>>11796As a Ike/Soren fan, I vehemently disagree, also Ranulf sucks and I'm tired of people shilling that ugly faggot. Not saying you are at all, but god Ike/Ranulf is terrible. And yes I am that person that discriminates every uggo character in FE games without impunity
But I will agree with you on the wholesomeness thing. It's not entirely so but a kid who was horrifically starved and abused by strangers all his life becoming codependent on the one person who was kind to him makes sense. I would have been more put off if Soren was a complete yandere about it, instead he's just a rude guy to others because they're unironically dumb.
As far as canonicity, I see it more about the endings Ike has rather than the childhood trauma scene. But that's me
No.11798
>>11795For whatever reason the Tellius games did not activate any shipping brainworms. I wish I could redirect all the energy Ike/Soren got into, like, Legault/Heath or something.
No.11799
>>11797>As a Ike/Soren fan, I vehemently disagree,We agree to disagree Nonna. All is fair in love and war.
>also Ranulf sucks and I'm tired of people shilling that ugly faggot. Kek LOL
>But I will agree with you on the wholesomeness thing. It's not entirely so but a kid who was horrifically starved and abused by strangers all his life becoming codependent on the one person who was kind to him makes sense. See, I'm inclined to see where you are getting at though but the games don't handle it all that well. Soren doesn't accept other people's kindness, only Ike's, as if he were the only one able to show such a trait. Even when others try to warm up to him he acts like an ass. Again, to me this seems like a lackluster writing choice more than anything.
>I would have been more put off if Soren was a complete yandere about it, instead he's just a rude guy to others because they're unironically dumb.I agree with you on that for sure.
>As far as canonicity, I see it more about the endings Ike has rather than the childhood trauma scene. But that's me
Understandable Nonna, I can see why someone would feel that way even if I don't exactly agree.
>>11798For whatever reason the Tellius games did not activate any shipping brainworms.
Me neither, well there's one crackship that I'm fond of but it's only because of an artist who drew nice art of it. For some reason, I feel that the Tellius games put less emphasis on the characters (at least when really delving into their personality) and more on the story, which is probably why I personally feel that way.
>I wish I could redirect all the energy Ike/Soren got into, like, Legault/Heath or something.I feel the same way (Especially since Legault/Heath is way more interesting to me). A lot of Ike/Soren popularity has to do with Ike being probably the most popular character in the franchise along with Heroes introducing a new wave of fans into the greater Fire Emblem series. Because before, at least in the western side of the fandom, you'd see more Elincia/Ike and Marth/Ike.
No.11800
>>11798>>11799I was particularly drawn to Tibarn/Reyson. They had some very shippy moments
No.11810
>>11799>Because before, at least in the western side of the fandom, you'd see more Elincia/Ike and Marth/Ike.I think this was because of ff.net's demographics at the time (mid/late 00s)–there were quite a lot of boys writing fanfics and ff.net got so many crossovers they eventually got their own section. Strange times looking back on it.
No.11816
>>11800Tibarn/Reyson is an adorable one with how much Reyson admires him.
>>11810>Strange times looking back on it.Good times in my opinion. The worst thing you had to deal with back then in fandoms was shippingwars and flamewars.
No.11818
My NOTP is the most popular pairing on the western side and is basically considered canon (it's not) by it's annoying fans and other people who spend a lot of time in spaces with the annoying fans. My OTP doesn't exist on the western side.
I'm satisfied with all the amazing content Asian side of the fandom provides for my OTP but hate that no matter where and whenever I want to discuss the story, fans of the NOTP chime in and mention the NOTP even if it has nothing to do with the thing discussed, just to make it about the NOTP.
It drives me crazy and is probably the first time I encounter such a situation. Not going to mention the fandom for reasons, just needed to get it out of my system.
It's sad that I wouldn't hate the NOTP half as much if the fans just behaved like normal human beings.
No.11822
>>11818I feel you, nona. I have a very similar situation, although probably not as severe as yours. It's very frustrating at times because people will try to act like their ship is objectively correct, or in my ship's case, try to attach some moral quality to it to make it seem "better." I'm glad the Asian side of your fandom provides content for you.
No.11914
I have noticed most fanart of every notp i have is eerily similiar.
They all have this yumecoded het fanart where the girl is drawn as cute and bubbly, while the guy just blushes at her like he’s overwhelmed by how adorable she is, or fanarts where he hugs her to show how possessive he is of her. It's literally the same fanarts types for all straight ships lol
There’s barely any creativity, and the characters’ real personalities get watered down for mass appeal.
I guess what frustrates me the most is knowing that a lot of people aren’t engaging with the characters for who they actually are, but instead using them as wish fulfillment stand ins.
No.11923
>>11914Like the girl just exists and the guy is obsessed with her existence as the girl? kek
No.11935
>>11931That's why most het ships suck. Guy is a character, girl is the girl, and the guy likes her because she's the girl.
No.11944
>>11934disagree with gerita. they’re good actually (even your picrel is cute kek it doesn’t help your case) but prumano does suck so bad. it feels so forced and makes no sense. it always just felt like “leftovers” yknow? romano is better with spain and prussia is better with germany
No.11950
>>11944I think Germany and Italy are cute together but only as friends. I can't see them being a couple. (Mostly because I ship Germany with Prussia kek). I totally get what you mean about prumano, I feel the same.
>>11946So kawiwi! I love spamano but Romano is definitely weird about his brother.