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 No.1193

Recommendations or discussions for series with gay subtext or historical gay media (like The Picture of Dorian Gray or Giovanni's Room). But also older media where you can easily view with fujo goggles since the writers didn't even think of gays at the time. Ancient mythology is good. Media that you can easily interpret as gay is also very good.

I have an interest in "gay" media that came before homosexuality was depicted in mass media like sitcoms. I would also like to discuss topics like:
>canon vs fanon
>homophobia and realism, especially in historic settings
>how much do older series hold up? especially by themselves
>death of the author and postmodernism
>how much do we misinterpret and distort how being gay really was back then?
>different roles and ideas of male friendship historically
>do you enjoy older series? especially things without an active fandom?
>the role of mass media
Lesbian stuff is VERY welcome to me too but this is FC

 No.1194

Quantum Leap comes to mind. Besides a sort of homoeotic vibe between Sam and Al the two male leads the show dealt with a lot of social issues from various time periods including homosexuality. Also you probably already know it, but Ben-Hur's film script was allegedly written to portray an estranged homoerotic relationship but the director didn't pick up on that subtext and vehemently denies any homo-undertones in interviews.

 No.1196

I want to nominate Brideshead Revisited, for having pretty much canon homo in the 1920's. And I mean that as in 'The pretty boy is explicitly referred to as a sex case' and 'The mother in law knows exactly what the boys are doing as is ok with it as she sees it as the male version of LUGs . The gay part of the plot is also based off of the author's lover in uni.

The TV version just ran with 'They're homo, but we're not allowed to say it outright. But they're homo' and added a bunch of cute visuals, to translate the homoerotic writing to film.

It doesn't end happily and it's the most catholic book I've ever read, but I don't mean that in a derogatory way, it just makes more sense if you're familiar with catholicism as a philosophy.

Fuck the movie version. It can go hang. They fucked it up by a) Making Sebastian a brunette, and b) Despite it having the homo explicitly spoken of in this version, they treat it as a one-sided crush, and turn the homo into a love triangle with only one homo. >:( THERE WAS A RELATIONSHIP. THERE WERE TWO HOMOS DAMMIT.

 No.1207

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Midnight Cowboy is a favorite of mine, having both a gay author (It was based on a book) and a gay movie director. Nothing is explicit in a way modern audiences expect, but honestly? Both characters deeply cared for each other and the story is filled with small hints here in there acknowledging how cowboys went from manly archetype to be perceived as a gay thing.
Dr. Strangelove also slightly amused me, kek, but it's very weak on It, just thought Jack Ripper to be very touchy with Mandrake and wanted to mention here.

 No.1209

>>1207
I had Midnight Cowboy on my to-watch list forever and finally saw it because of your post. What an incredibly depressing film, totally agree that the movie seems to be clearly pushing for the main characters to be subtextually gay with each other. Mainly the scene where Joe is asking Rizzo when the last time he had sex was and the scene where the woman asked if his "performance issues" was due to him being gay.

 No.1292

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>>1207
>>1209
OP of this thread here and just watched Midnight Cowboy for the first time. The gay "subtext" between Ratzo and Joe is very overt. The film directly has other people perceive them as gay and explicit homosexuality is a major element of the movie in general. What a great flick. So depressing with the themes of isolation and transactional relationships and loss of innocence. I would argue that Ratzo and Joe are in a "canon" relationship even if it isn't explicit by 2025 standards. It's clear they are gay.

In my mind Ratzo somehow survives after the end of the movie and they live together in Florida. Even if it makes narrative sense to have Ratzo die as the conclusion of the story's themes. I ship Joe and Ratzo so hard and hope Joe fucks Ratzo in the butt Fuck, I need to read some fluff after this.

Any more recs?

 No.1293

>>1292
samefag but here's an analysis and review I really liked for the film
https://letterboxd.com/reesepd/film/midnight-cowboy/

 No.1294

>>1292
>Fuck, I need to read some fluff after this.

Another movie with some subtext about going to Florida is Some Like it Hot have you seen that yet? Not deep but it's fun and gay.

Agree Joe and Ratzo clearly love each other even if it isn't "explicit" the way it also grapples with masculinity as a while in relation to Joe's profession adds to it as well. Such a multilayered film, it doesn't get brought up nearly enough.

 No.1303

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Not western but I watched the Kaze to Ki no Uta OVA. Good stuff! Now time to download the manga. Keiko Takemiya's art style is beautiful and I would love to see modern "takes" on it (similar to how Shundei's lovely artstyle takes inspiration from the 80s).

I also watched Death in Venice a little while ago. I'm glad I watched it out of historical interest and for film hobbyist reasons, but I think modern audiences would find it long and boring. It's sad and distrubing how Björn Andrésen was treated. I thought he looked beautiful and otherworldly in Midsommar. I plan on watching the The Most Beautiful Boy in the World documentary as well.

Might check out The Heart of Thomas next or The Picture of Dorian Gray since I haven't read that yet. I'll def read the novel first censored and uncensored, but I wonder if the film adaptations are good?

 No.1304

>>1303
70s BL is so ethereal. I've also always wished for a comeback. I am of the unpopular opinion that BL looked the best in the 70s, back when it was heavily inspired by shoujo. I also love that the OVA has the same character designer as the original gundam, cracks me up to think of a normie looking boomer like Yasuhiko being told he has to do character designs for a BL.



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