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>what is transwashing
Transwashing is when a character is forcefully made into trans, even if they're just gnc, homosexual, or crossdressing. When a character dresses or behaves in a way outside of the gender stereotype associated with their biological sex, oftentimes fandoms (and, even the creators themselves to appear "woke") start percieving them as trans. And, sometimes, even if those characters don't have "any sign of being trans", some people's headcannons becomes too out of control and fall into the gender ideology. This unfortunately happens to real people too.
Post those characters, discuss why they're transwashed, and vent if you want to.
431 posts and 126 image replies omitted. Click reply to view. No.14784
>>14781It's probably thanks to the movie that just came out.
No.14785
>>14783>And trannies always go for the insecure, younger guysAlmost like it's a cult, or something…
No.14786
>>14783Is there a reason why the QT+ are the most talentless in regards to the arts? Abysmal writers, worst artists, bad actors, ear-piercing singers, what is it about the trannies and queerios that break the stereotype of "the gays" being great in the arts? They're objectively so bad, it hurts
No.14787
>>14786It's the narcissism. These are the most navel-gazy people imaginable; they don't care to improve their art, because that would mean thinking about something that isn't themselves for more than thirty seconds. They just want endless validation.
No.14788
>>14786Even troons that have some interesting ideas here and there completely waste it because the narcissism is too strong (see Gooseworx and The Amazing Digital Circus which morphed into his self-insert's tranny therapy session)
No.14789
>>14783I can't begin to describe the immense about of rage this gives me. I like Peter Parker
No.14790
>>14783It's a grooming cult that targets teens on the autism spectrum with their degeneracy
No.14791
>>14786TIFs can be pretty good at visual arts but trannies as a whole suck at everything else, yeah.
No.14799
>>14751Lol Batman and The Hulk next
>>14753I would only chase trannies that look like irl traps and that are basically twinks that take hrt to not become ugly and bald with age, but that's less than 1% of the community
No.14816
>>14808No Ralsei in the pic shows whoever made it is out of touch with current gender/trans fandom discourse tbh
No.14817
>>14816To be fair, they decide another character is trans every other day now
No.14819
>>14818Doesn't he start getting referred to with they/them pronouns mid-way throughout that chapter? I would keep my hopes low.
No.14820
>>14818I feel like this depends entirely on whether Toby values his jp or en audience more. I don't mind trans characters but I like them pre-cracked because I find "coming out" both a narrative snoozefest AND a ship sinker (if applicable).
No.14821
>>14819Soft of, apparently his class descriptions change to "they" but I've heard mixed things about this, some saying these descriptions are also used for Susie and Kris but I haven't confirmed myself. The uncertainty scares me, if Ralsei troons out I'll probably drop the game.
>>14820Unfortunately tranny stuff exists in anime and manga too - Zombieland Saga was huge on Twitter for a bit because one of the idols was a trans child who died due to a gender dysphoria-induced heart attack (I really wish I was kidding)
No.14823
>>14821>tranny stuff exists in anime and manga tooI know, I just think he's a gigaweeb who would demure on behalf of average jp sensibilities. I won't drop the game, but I'd feel bad for every cute goat boy fan who bought merch lol.
No.14826
>>14818I think it's sad as fuck that he's like THE cute, feminine vidya boy of this era and we're gonna lose that. I don't have issues with trans characters, but I wish it wasn't always the "feminine guy→must be secretly a trans woman" (or viceversa) thing.
I actually didn't mind Jax (was it confirmed by word of god or just heavily implied?) and I thought it wasn't annoying precisely because he (she?) was never portrayed as guy who is super feminine so s/he MUST be a woman. It was presented as turbo repression which imo is more compelling. I just think TADC doesn't have very good writing and it disproportionately affects Jax because s/he's so much on screen lmao.
But anyway, deltarune is a game with a they/them protag. It is what it is lol.
No.14831
>>14830I don't go here but the wig being slapped on what was a bald cartoon rabbit is also taking me out, as well as the bow, it's stereotypical enough to be a caricature.
No.14832
>>14831The off-shoulder striped shirt is peak troon fashion.
No.14834
>>14830I really, really hate this. And I liked Jax and am even fine with him identifying a trans or whatever. But this pic is so stupid in like three different ways.
First of all, why is goodness always associated with stereotypical, sugary girly behavior? If you are pro trans you should know better than anybody else how retarded this binary textbook bullshit is. Why can't "good" mean that he's just himself but not anti-social?
This reminds of the stupid comment from one of the animators who said they wouldn't have animated Jax "like this" if they knew he was trans. WHY? He was fine. Do they imply they would have him be less of an ass because trans equals goodness or that he would have moved like a Barbie because he identifies as woman? It's stupid.
Last but not least something more general: I just HATE this western urge of emphasizing how every problematic character is a "piece of shit". Yes problematic characters aren't morally sound. That's their point. You can still draw and like them without virtue signaling.
I like a lot of characters with bad behavior and I know they're bad but I am so tired of fans trying hard to shit on them because they're insecure about liking them or afraid that the moral brigade will call the cops if you didn't call them shit. It's 2D dudes. Go call real mass murderers pieces of shit and let us all like our cringe anime, game and cartoon characters in peace.
Also, this
>>14831 No.14835
I never cared about "The Amazing Digital Circus" and never watched even a minute of it. But still, LOL at the troon rabbit.
No.14836
>>14830Not the they/them frog when they literally gave her hips LMFAO ?
No.14837
>>14836The frog apparently goes by "she/they", this is never brought up in the show and is a completely useless trait even if it was.
No.14838
>>14835Be thankful, even putting aside the trans stuff the ending was shit and a lot of people turned on the show afterwards. I enjoyed episodes as they came out but looking back it's such a bizarre show and it's clear that Gooseworx was writing by the seat of his pants.
One episode had a character realize he was an NPC and he had an existential crisis over it, which sounds like it could be interesting, except he's anti-climactically killed off at the end of the same episode. Things that were hinted to have a big impact are brushed aside or completely ignored and go unanswered by the end of the show. There was an entire episode that rapidly confirmed a bunch of fan theories only to turn out to be a bait-and-switch fakeout, which pissed off a lot of people. A lot of people on 4chan watching the show were convinced that Goose was "one of the good troons" but the Jax thing made it clear to them that was not the case.
The ending was so bad that some people were even saying Vivziepop was a better writer than Goose, which is hilarious considering how much of the internet treat Viv and her stuff like a punching bag.
No.14840
>>14835I've been considering watching it to see what all the hype/controversy is about but at this point I feel like I'd just be wasting my time.
No.14841
>>14840I have never met an adult fan of TADC irl and all the ones I've encountered are kids I tutor so that says enough for me kek
No.14842
>>14840I think it's quite decent. The ending could have been better but it's definitely something else and most of the characters are very likeable IMO. You just have to take it as what it is without engaging with the fandom besides maybe browsing the talented artists that drew some fanarts of it.
With series like this or Delta Rune you are the better off the less you interact with the fandom, especially the western part of it.
For me it might help that I am a big fan of VR mindfuckery though and that genre is nonexistent for cartoons/anime. The only other series dedicated to that topic that I know is .hack//SIGN of which I am a huge fan of.
Holy shit, thinking about it that series would have been invaded by tumblrism if it aired nowadays and if western fags gave a shit about series which aren't mainstream. With the lesbian romance, MC being a girl choosing a virtual boy's body and so on.
No.14843
>>14837I can never wrap my head around what multiple pronoun situations like this mean. Does it mean you choose which one you want to use and they (supposedly) have no preference? Does it mean the person wants to be called she on Monday and they on Tuesday? The whole burden of figuring this shit out is on you, a random stranger who can't read minds. (Yes, I have also seen the batshit 'alternating pronouns in the same sentence' variation but this isn't the norm apparently.)
No.14844
>>14843It means they won't be offended by either option. If they are then they're an attention seeking shit. It feels dumb to me because she/they is the default to me - always use singular they for people I'm not close to otherwise it sounds like I'm being overfamiliar with a stranger. I know nona is a woman but I'll use they because I don't know them.
No.14851
>>14844>If they are then they're an attention seeking shitA lot of them will get pissy if you only use the pronoun associated with their sex because you're inadvertently saying you don't care about their nonbinary identity or w/e.
No.14852
>>14851Lol, I have a friend that was in a server with an "any/all" moid who would get pissed that people defaulted to "he" when referring to him. They're always looking for opportunities to play the victim, it's incredible.
No.14905
>>14751I gotta ask: why do so many TIMs hate chasers when they're some of the only kind of people who will openly state they will date them? A vast majority of men, when they find out their "girlfriend" has a dick, they'll GTFO of there, but chasers openly want this. Is it because chasers are men and most TIMs want to prey on lesbians or larp lesbians with other TIMs?
No.14906
>>14905Even the gay ones don't want chasers, because in their minds a chaser invalidates their gender because they understand that the appeal is that they are trans (aka a mix of feminine + masculine features) and not that they are a trve woman. But they convince themselves that the men that are attracted to + date them that don't ID as chasers are completely straight even when the TIM still has a dick despite DL males being a thing since forever. I think also males who ID as chasers are more likely to troon out too (from what I've seen in some subs) and HSTS are delusional gays who only want to date hyper-masc "straight" guys so that's a turn-off. But yeah most TIMs are straight so of course they're put off by male chasers and although some performatively complain about female girlcock simps and AFABs being "predatory" towards them, a lot admit they wish female chasers were actually real lmao. There's no winning with these people ever.
No.14907
>>14905Chasers usually want them to top and to my understanding trans women don't like using their dick like that (if it works at all).
No.14908
>>14818Fuuuuuu I love undertale and I wanted to play deltarune but this shit makes me want to pirate. Why can't they just let feminine boys exist without pumping them full of hormones?
No.14909
>>14906Chasers eventually trooning out is such a big thing that it's a common meme among TIMs (and even TIFs from what I've seen). A lot of them just live vicariously through troons and use them as testing waters as sorts.
No.14922
>>14909This is how I'm reading it
>Guy is a chaser>TIMs say chasers are gross>Chaser troons out to get all the girldickConsidering how many TIMs troon out to hit on lesbians, the irony is fucking hilarious.
No.14984
>>14908Toby makes good games and I respect the guy but I do wish he was less woke. I love androgynous twink art but I can't enjoy any of it for Kris because I know that canonically I can't even say this character is male. It's similar to how I can't even enjoy lewd art of Bridget anymore because I can't call him a male outside of imageboards and on top of that artists now draw him with breasts.
No.14994
>>14984Dumb complaint but I really don't like lizard being a lesbian. Feels really contrived and her love intrest makes no sense
No.14995
>>14994Kind of in the same boat. If she wasn't Literally Me from high school and I didn't have baggage about being called a dyke so much I'd probably be fine with it lmao.
>>14984In Toby's case I like knowing that stuff is in play beforehand because it's like brainworm killer. I can just enjoy the games for what they are instead of getting giga autistic about fan stuff. Bridget/Testament getting nailed with the gender beam 100 years after their character debuts was kind of rude though.
No.14997
>>14994I agree with you, but my issue is not really that she's a lesbian, but more than Susie x Noelle makes absolutely 0 sense and it's a very rushed and unsatisfying ship. You telling me Susie went from not caring about love and being unaware of how people feel about her, to now having a crush on Noelle and having a romantic scene with her on the lake? From one chapter to the other? The romance in Deltarune is really bad, it's just Toby inserting his lesbian fetish into the story. Susie has a much more interesting relationship with Kris, and hell, Noelle has a much more interesting relationship with Kris as well because Weird Route is one of the best things in the game writing wise imo
I'm enjoying Deltarune but the thing revolving around Susie and Noelle is really really weak. Noelle just has a crush on Susie cuz it reminds her of her lost sister, that could've been used for an interesting toxic relationship that Noelle either learns to let go or lean even more into it. But nah, we got boring yuri instead.
No.14998
>>14997Suselle is written so poorly that I've seen people theorize that it's written badly on purpose because of meta stuff - one being that a character is pulling the strings behind the scenes to insert Susie into the prophecy and make her a hero - and heroes always get the girl.
The theory that Susie is not actually the monster in the prophecy and that it was supposed to be Noelle is a popular one, and with the Weird Route focusing on characters "breaking their roles" and that being a theme present throughout the whole story, the idea of Susie being in a role she's not supposed to has credence to it.
No.14999
>>14998What does your picrel mean, why does the object show different things in different areas in the light world?
No.15001
>>14999The theory is that when viewing things through the shard while in the Light World, it shows a previous timeline, or how things were originally before the prophecy was messed with.
No.15002
>>14998I agree it's supposed to piss you off, there's no other reason why the ending of the latest chapter would be written like a love confession when you choose to walk her home only to have Susie literally slam the door in your face with Noelle.
Good thing I'm not invested in het or f/f ships so I can just watch people fight from the sidelines.