/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>12892
>I think the seme is determined by which character is less accessible. A more mysterious, serious, closed-off, and less emotive character is pretty much guaranteed to be a seme
I never thought of it like this but it actually makes a lot of sense, I guess the exception is like puppy/moe semes or uke x uke ships (pic rel) where it's kiiinda determined by height?

>>13046
Yes and one of my favorite artists drew it, they're so based.

>>13046
It's pretty much nonexistent in the western side of the fandom but japanese fujos love it.
>>13050
Hot!

NO CONDOMS! I hate condoms. Cum inside or on the uke, always!

>>13066
For real. What’s the point of condoms in BL anyway it’s not like the guy’s gonna get pregnant.

>>13068
that's not the reason gay men wear condoms

>>13054
>but japanese fujos love it.
Gonna be real I don't really get most FSN ships, granted I've only read the OG VN (though I do like FGO doujins)
Like how did Lancer x Archer get so big? I legit think the het ship is the far better choice in this case kek (Archer x best girl Rin)
>>13066
Okay but them dumping the used condom on the uke's face is pretty sexy
>>13069
Aids doesn't exist in the yaoi world though.

>>13069
That and it's the easiest way to make sure the sex is clean if you want them to spontaneously fuck without prep. I lost the ability to turn on my 'all butts are magically clean' fanfic brain. Creampies also get a lot less sexy after learning that it just gets dried up and nasty after some time.

>>13069
Based truth teller

>>13070
Fate/Zero with its Rider/Waver and Kirei/Gilgamesh fanservice was probably the most fujo potential this franchise had to offer. Personally I started shipping Shirou/Kirei because I thought it was really funny, but then it grew on me. It's never safe to ship something as a shitpost. I don't get Lancer/Archer either, if I had to choose some other fate yaoi to get into I'd probably pick Archer/Shirou cause selfcest is kinda hot.

>>13072
>>13074
Finding out about how real gay sex worked was a huge turn-off.

>>13072
>>13078
Reality is never as good as the fantasy unfortunately

>>13076
>>13070
Rider/Waver is the best ship in the franchise if you care about canon, though Cu/Archer is cute in the context of Hollow Ataraxia. Kirei/Gil is good but I can't get over Gil's obsession with Saber so it hampers my enjoyment.

F/Go has a ton of bait like Karna/Arjuna but imo the characters aren't as fleshed out as in the main series works so it's not as satisfying to ship.

>>13078
Thank god yaoi isn't real. And even actual gay porn doesn't reflect it realistically and have them use condoms (I watched it for art reference)

>>13078
Am I in a minority of fujos for finding 3D gay sex and porn hot as well? No, I do not like poop, stds, anal prolapse, and any of the gross elements to real gay sex hot. But I find the male anal play hot. I don't imagine fanfiction sex as involving a yaoi hole, just a clean lubricated prepared butthole.

>>13086
I admire more of the spectrum of 3dpd male bodies than women typically do but the porn still tends to lack the story/dynamics of shipping and that's what really activates my almonds.

>>13086
No i'm on your side!

Not quite hate, but something that's always been irritating to me is when someone doesn't bleed when he definitely logically should've. Especially when beforehand they play up how weirdly scarily big the dick is. If you don't want negative physical consequences for shoving something up someones ass with no preparation why are you writing it in the first place? I get its probably just because the people drawing/writing it think blood is gross, but like. sex generally is grosser, in my opinion.

>>13130
I don't really mind it, because I think yaoi is so far removed from actual gay sex that it doesn't really matter, but the emphasis on giant dicks is pretty funny to me. Is this bl or a high school locker room?

>>13131
Porn in general is usually far removed from the reality of sex. If you ever watch heterosexual anal porn (gross), there is almost never a segment for lube. It just uses porn logic to skip to the action.
I never understood why BL had to be held to a higher standard of realism irt sex than other genres of porn when it usually isn't even being created or consumed by the demographic featured.

>>13130
porn is supposed to be sexy. if someone’s writing about ass bleeding everyone’s just gonna normally assume they have a fetish for it. why would anyone purposely write unsexy porn?
>>13132
agreed. even gay guys porn isn’t known for its realism bc it’s jerk-off material, not a wiki-how guide lol

>>13130
I occasionally see jokey stuff post sex where the uke is sore/can't walk, but I think that's it

>>13133
One of my biggest pet peeves that I've encountered a few times in fics is when the author suddenly decides she needs to turn her smut scene into an impromptu sex-ed class. Like, the characters place overt emphasis on the "correct" and "safe" way to do things, which is not only terribly unsexy but often completely inaccurate since the author is getting their info off tumblr PSAs and other fanfiction. Horrid.

>>13133
>>13130
I've got mixed feelings, on one hand I think realsitic-adjacent sex with awkward moments is cute. On the other hand some of it is just too weird for me, like I played a game recently where they had the MC douching his ass and it skeeved me out. I want shit as far away as possible from me, but I do still want it to be anal, I want it to hurt a bit and for the seme to need to be careful, prep is ok too.

>>13141
You can smell the tumblr on an author when they do this. It'll be bog standard slashfic and then they start asking for permission to kiss and do a really funny copy-and-paste from a sex health website on stretching the asshole. It almost makes you long for the days of horrific badfic where they used butter and mt. dew as lube

>>13157
I read a fic once where the top made the bottom piss after sex so he wouldn't get a UTI.
Like, how could the bottom possibly get a UTI from having a dick up his ass… nothing was even close to his urethra. If anyone was at risk of infection, it would have been the top. But that wasn't mentioned at all.
The whole fic was terrible and me and my friends passed it around as a joke, but it still somehow managed to garner a large amount of kudos in its fandom.

>>13158
Isn't the peeing after sex advice for women after PIV? Was it stealth cuntboy or something? I've seen that before, where it isn't tagged or even very clear what hole is being used, but at some point it becomes obvious that the author is talking about a vagina.

>>13161
>stealth cuntboy
Why do some authors do this? Is it to "trick" people into reading it? Or do they think being ambiguous about genitalia is progressive as if they're trying to make cuntboy be seen as "equal" to regular men with penises?

>>13161
Nope, it was a threesome between three males. Both bottoms were told to go do that. It also had some preachy polyamory aspect to it.
It was kind of what I was getting at when I mentioned that the authors doing this kind of sex-ed fanfic often got things flat out wrong, which is hilarious for how patronizing it comes off as. I remember seeing a post on Tumblr around that time about how women should piss after sex to avoid UTIs, so the author probably saw that and figured it went for gay men too. Zero real research or experience.

>>13162
The Lou Sullivan phenotype but for writing fanfic

>>13162
Sometimes it's to get more readership, and sometimes it's to double down how they are a heckin' real boy! Or both. I have zero respect for both, but the former is extra pathetic because they know deep down in their hearts no one except fellow trannies would read their repulsive works.

>>13161
>Isn't the peeing after sex advice for women after PIV?
Not only PIV but any sexual activity. Even if there's no penetration it's always recommended to pee once you're done. That being said, a man is never going to get a UTI from anal play.

>>13162
Kinda unrelated but I remember reading a fic once that had the guy "remove his binder" while undressing, I think it was worded in a fancy way like "removing the tanktop pressing his chest" or something and it didn't hit me until later it was a cuntboy/tmasc headcanon shit fic

>>13184
TMI but my body always makes me feel like I need to go to the bathroom after having a wank anyway. If that's true for most people then that's definitely one more way that fanfic sex is better. No cuddling for you, you both get up and wait your turn for the toilet instead.

>>13186
Is that after climax? Even if I know I have an empty bladder I sometimes feel the need to pee while I'm doing it too. I can ignore it now but it took practice.

>>13185
God that reminds me of this terrible self-published novel where one of the side characters ran up with 'his unbound breasts swinging under his shirt'. What is it about the begendered that makes them such terrible writers?

>>13190
>What is it about the begendered that makes them such terrible writers?
I have no idea, but it's why I avoid "queer literature" like the fucking plague. Too much navel-gazing and shitty writing in general. The "queers" are physically incapable of writing well.

Ugly bastards. My ukes deserve better!

I feel fujoshi discourse is much worse with weebs now because there's less pandering to us. We get shit on by incels, himejoshis AND yumes. It makes me feel blackpilled.

The popularity of gacha games made it worse. Even the people who hate all the waifu goonslop pretending to be "for everyone" games hate fujos. They're the worst fandoms to ship yaoi in because of the aforementioned groups who shit on fujos, but also fujos don't want to go to joseimuke all boys cast game fandoms since those games are pretty outdated with the gameplay and shit localization, if they're even released in English at all. If you like anime style and you're a fujo all you have is Hoyoverse.

The worst part is even the gacha fans who hate the incel coomer shit still hate fujoshis. Deweibs who posts a lot of criticism towards Hoyoverse on twitter has plenty of anti fujo followers since the only female players friendly games are all ML otome games that hate fujos. We have nothing new to look forward to. Even most anime announcements are mostly the same slop with no shows that look good for yaoi shipping at all. It's a bad time to be into 2d anime style media and want anything new while all the other groups have new things to look forward to.

>>13235
what if they love the cock

>>13242
It's not even just the content of it being preachy, but the prose and diction is usually very poor.

>>13250
Its simultaneously preachy and the writing quality is just awful. They'll interrupt their awful prose with a lecture about pronouns.

>>13252
This is what happens when women's writing is scrutinized more and everything has to be about "representation". Can't write shit without having to cover your ass from people call it fetishizing or abuse, which is why we have the problem with preachy dialogue and the story stopping to give lectures. Tumblr did a number on fujos.

I dislike old men yaoi, fat and/or hairy men in my yaoi, and I especially hate when it's recommended or memed by other fujoshi with tons of followers online or by publishing companies trying too hard to be special and different. With fujoshi "influencers" it feels like they're humble bragging in a twisted way sometimes when they post about it because instead of just gushing normally about existing old men yaoi manga and fanfics and asking for more they just post unfunny memes and call it a day. If I wanted to see old, busted and overweight gorillas that much I can just go outside anytime I want. As for manga themselves, I will never get over this atrocity and its last chapter. It was all about an ugly as fuck hairy grown man who was like "nooo you can't have a crush on me and be attracted to me, I'm ugly and hairy waah" to the seme who was trying to say no you look good but the whole time I just agreed that he was too ugly and disgusting to possibly have a boyfriend.

>>13257
I actually like old man yaoi, but I'll put my money where my mouth is and write it myself. I feel like the ugly/fat/hairy thing is mostly performative. I doubt the people praising it either make it or seek it out when it isn't popular.

>>13257
Actual attractive looking men, especially bishounen, are pretty much a dying breed in anime now too. Men always get to be ugly in media, it's fine if you like that, but it's people who act like they're being subversive who are the most annoying. Society is always telling women to be into ugly/fat/bald old guys, you're not doing anything different by preferring that to "twinks", especially in the West.

>>13257
No hate to your preferences but that dude barely looks middle aged by anime standards. For me 'ugly old men' is more like Conclave fandom.
When people online say old man yaoi they're usually referring to 30 year old anime dudes or immortals anyway. I only respect it if they're talking about actual ojisans.
>>13261
>the ugly/fat/hairy thing is mostly performative
Enough western artists choose to turn characters who are not like this canonically into these things in their art that I don't doubt it's genuinely their kink, especially when fat is involved.
But overall maybe I'm not online enough to be aware of this problem you guys are talking about because you're making it sound like there's some epidemic of fujos lusting after hentai ugly bastard level old men or something? Which, lol if true. Constant age gap discourse also makes old men 'safer' to hornypost about and that leads to people exaggerating for the memes, probably.

>>13271
>No hate to your preferences but that dude barely looks middle aged by anime standards.
I need to give more context. This manga is about three different pairings. The one on the cover is the first pairing. The second pairing is about two young salarymen who are in a long distance relationship and visit each other and it was my favorite pairing. The third one is the one about the hideous hairy guy who's insecure about it, and that chapter made me roll my eyes when reading it. I used this manga as an example for hairy characters in BL manga in particular because the characters weren't old in this one.

>I only respect it if they're talking about actual ojisans
That's rare isn't it? The most common old guys in original BL seem to all be based on Mads Mikkelsen for some reason, he's too popular so you have stories in Japan with that one random white middle aged or old man who suspiciously look like Mads kek. It was too much for me in Jealousy, I couldn't unsee it and never finished the manga anyway because at the time I didn't find all the chapters and he kept ruining scenes anytime he showed up.

>>13271
>Enough western artists choose to turn characters who are not like this canonically into these things in their art that I don't doubt it's genuinely their kink, especially when fat is involved.
As a fat fetishist I do not for a second believe the ones I've encountered in my fandoms actually are into it when they do this. The way they choose to draw it and what they do with it doesn't fetishize anything or even attempt to make it appealing. It gives me so much dissonance when I see them trying to hype up a fat version of a character who I would never choose to do it to, and not with the distribution they chose either. I have a hard time admitting to my fetishes and letting them loose around other people to begin with. I guarantee if I let those people know they'd send me nothing but horrors that completely misunderstand everything. I just don't know how to explain it but they're practically aliens. They also never settle for just one modification, they can't just make a character fat. They have to make him fat, with bruised eyelids, five or more piercings, brown skin, and constant references to vaping or bongs. Then throw them in a hot pink crop top with inexplicable tears in it and some crocs. Yeuikes.

I've been in fandoms for "old man yaoi" and I guess the main difference is people don't reference the fact it's "old man yaoi" much or spend all their time joking about what they're doing. People who are actually into older characters get busy writing about how they specifically want the old man to get ruined rather than going "look at us teehee aren't we deviant". Twitter has a very strange culture of peripheral fujoshi who don't do any fujoshi activities in public view, they just joke about their identity being that of a fujoshi. They're like the "anime fans" where you're not really sure what anime they're a big fan of because they only retweet surface level jokes about commonly known series. I think we should treat them the same and brush it off as casuals who talk more than they think or do.