/ffs/ - Fujo Fandom Sperging

>>8454
Every time I've asked for actual examples of what they mean by degrading it's literally been:
>Not drawing enough fanart/writing fanfics of the girl characters
>Not shipping the girl with the male character
>Liking the male characters more
>Criticizing an obvious misogynist trope for being a misogynist trope

>>8457
Oh yes, it's always like that. The girl pining after the guy with loving devotion but the guy courteously ignoring her at best and being a complete total abusive asshole to her at worst. But disliking this overused dynamic is actually what makes you hate women and you only prefer gay ships because you fetishize gay men you monster etc etc.

>>8460
KEK it's too real though, I can't believe the Relena hate (her relationship with Heero is literally the one described above but even worse btw) triggered hetshippers and men so hard that it reverberated through fandoms like this for decades.

>>8465
>Not drawing enough fanart/writing fanfics of the girl characters
>Not shipping the girl with the male character
>Liking the male characters more
>Criticizing an obvious misogynist trope for being a misogynist trope
Every time it circles back to fujos not making the content they want for free and yaoi being icky. And they act like you are hurting the dignity of a real person instead of a fictional concept.

>>8461
>I think a lot of them project onto Sakura or other characters of that nature, so they take it as a personal insult if you don't want her to be with Sasuke.
Every single female Sakura apologist I've met in my life has either openly used her as a self insert or simply been a contrarian who likes her because others hate her. This bitch is hated by literally everyone regardless of sex, age or any other factor because she started out as an awful character and the later measly "developments" came in too late and nothing could fix her fundamentally unlikable character anyway. But somehow people only call out fujos for disliking her.

>>8467
>somehow people only call out fujos for disliking her.
I'm neutral about her and the last time I've seen fujos hate on her was more than a decade ago. Mostly I've seen fujos try to fix Kishimoto's horrendous writing and give her some self-respect, but the fact that it comes with making her indifferent to Sasuke is apparently seen as hatred for some reason. I don't think anyone is wrong for disliking her because as you've said, she is indeed a very poorly written character, but it's still infuriating how people blame fujos for everything as if most real hatred isn't coming from naruto fanboys who are bitter at her for rejecting their self-insert.

>>8453
These people can't understand that not every woman is interested in het so they have to make up misogynistic theories like this to explain it.
>>8461
>I think a lot of them project onto Sakura or other characters of that nature, so they take it as a personal insult if you don't want her to be with Sasuke
They're boring people irl so they only relate to boring characters and think that not shipping "them" with their husbands means you're cucking them out of their fairytale fantasies.

>>8489
>They're boring people irl so they only relate to boring characters and think that not shipping "them" with their husbands means you're cucking them out of their fairytale fantasies.

I noticed they relate a lot to reactionary characters, like those that don't have a proactive role but just react to everything happening around them. Those characters that feel more like a vehicle for the audience to place themselves into basically.
It's not different from an isekai mc but they will never admit they act just like male otakus.

>>8490
I'm not sure about that, nobody cared about the female love interest in Reborn!, Hikaru no Go, and Bakuman for instance. And those were peak "reactionary characters" if we can call them that.
Characters like Sakura (and most female creations of Kishimoto really) are actually a bit trickier. They get hyped and then get nothing. I remember back in the day many Sakura fans fully expected her to participate in the Valley of the End fight #2 (spoiler: she didn't) because she belonged there as the third member of team 7. There was also all that stuff about being a genjutsu expert and chakra manipulation specialist that, spoiler again, got nowhere.
All this to say, I suspect they like the fantasy of Sakura they built up in their head during the watch more than the actual character.

Saw this and thought about the current conversation. I guess it's also just aggravating to see canon m/f not reflect my lived experience of establishing and being in a relationship. The answer is probably "read more sophisticated romances" but tbh I don't care about the genre and am just a shipperfag who likes to roll around in the pigpen, so I strongly prefer romantic "ingredients" and cooking them myself. Fanfic has spoiled me, I think.

>>8495
This image is how I felt about Witch from Mercury. The promo materials and script kept beating me over the head with SuleMio OTP 4eva, but in the show I felt absolutely nothing. Totally forced chemistry, with a Bethesda-esque "the fanworks will fix it" approach. I understand I'm in the minority on this, though.

>>8496
NGL, I was stoked witch of mercury was gonna have a female mc until all the yuri shit got shoved in. Fujos literally saved gundam and this is the thanks they get? Not one, but two new modern entries with yurislop added in for quick waifubucks.

>>8494
I think that's just down to whether or not the female love interest is into a popular husbando. Sasuke is a popular husbando, Naruto isn't, so less people are going to want to selfinsert as Hinata. Similarly, people only care about that girl from Arcane because she dated a popular husbando.

>>8498
No offence but Jayce wasn't a 'popular' husbando. In pre-jayvik hype times he was most often the character people disliked. Prev nonnie right here >>8494 is a more apt comparison. Mel's arc in season 2 was entirely butchered, and with Jayce's priority going to Viktor her fans had some accusations about the writers and some fan creations as using the 'disposable black girlfriend trope'

>>8498
>This image is how I felt about Witch from Mercury
Couldn't agree more.
>I understand I'm in the minority on this, though
Does it matter when the majority are yurikeks?
Don't get me wrong, Sulemio had some perks, like actually depicting people who are in a relationship trying to deal with each other's deep seated issues then work through their problems instead of stopping all development the moment they get together. But yeah the build up and the romantic tension were not it. Not it at all. Unless you're a moid who gets excited watching Miorine get jealous whenever a man enters the vicinity of Suletta.

I don't use TikTok, so apologies if I don't fully understand the context of this post or if there's some backstory I'm missing, but this is so stupid on surface-level that I had to share. The problem is that the female characters written by men (usually, but there are exceptions) do not resemble women in their behavior, mindset, or experiences. I'm not ever going to relate to the waifus in harem anime because they weren't written to be women; they were written to a man's fantasy. Do these people not understand this? Do they actually think High School DxD and Brown Dust 2 were made for women? I think this post is about Genshin Impact, and hasn't Genshin been mistreating its female players to pander to men? It's like they think media just spawns out of the void with no input from real humans creating it.
>>8489
>They're boring people irl so they only relate to boring characters
I don't agree. I think it's more that they choose the girl who has the least personality specifically so that they can project personality or motivations onto her. In a lot of male-oriented media, there's a token girl character who's given very little personality outside of being someone's girlfriend or just being the "girl of the group." Male writers never care about this type of character outside of her role as a girl, hence why Sakura didn't get to do anything cool throughout the run of Naruto. Sadly, the women who defend these bland characters put more love and effort into them than the men who initially created them. I see it in gacha fandoms, too, where people are determined to assign depth to a character clearly created to be waifubait, and then get frustrated when the waifubait character is underutilized. The correct answer is to start reading and watching stories created by women, but they won't ever do that for some reason.
>>8494
I agree with this opinion, and I only read your post after writing half of mine kek. I know I reiterated a lot of the points you made, but I think this also explains why these people are more likely to defend Sakura than Hinata. It's been a while, but Sakura was hyped as a character with agency/personality. We were told this repeatedly, but never shown it. Meanwhile, Hinata was never written as a feisty female character, so the expectation for her to be cool or relatable never existed in the first place.

>>8501
>fictional or not they are still women
no, real women are women, fictional characters are fictional therefore deserve no respect, we do.

How idiotic these yumes can be? Maybe its all that escaping into a fantasy world that makes them think fictional characters are the same as real people.

>>8494
I don't know much about Naruto admittedly, but I remember Sakura was mostly just there, she was always commenting on what naruto or sasuke did.
>>8501

>The problem is that the female characters written by men

Personally, I've seen badly written female characters from both men and women. The notion that women can't write bad female characters is wrong, look at young adult novels for example, or even best sellers like twilight or fifty shades.

A japanese example of this is kodomo no jikan, which was created by a woman, yet it's a show about a teacher having an harem of underage girls

>>8502
Literally this one twitter post.

>>8497
The yuribait worked on me, it's the only reason I watched it tbh. I'm not big on mecha anyway, so I don't really get your part of the argument. I feel like a normie casually enjoying something I find neat while people who are much more into it and know much more about it get into all sorts of arguments lol (to clarify, nothing wrong with the discussion, I just think it's funny to be looking at it from the outside for once)

>>8497
Liking yuri and liking BL aren't mutually exclusive
>>8497
Yuribait normally gets me but this one didn't because i couldn't parse the characters' personalities and dynamic in fanworks beyond 'two cute blobs in love' which is a bad sign. I feel like it's probably better in the show but the chara designs and general look of the anime are off. Other himes around me didn't seem to really vibe with it either

>>8511
So true sis

>>8509
I have a low tolerance for yuri because it's generally lacking in dynamics. At least the few I've bothered to try.

I watched the series, just the first season, and I honestly wasn't rooting for them because they both kept getting their way. There wasn't really a moment where I thought they'd have to work for one another's attention. They just always had it.

It's why I didn't bother to watch the second season. It wasn't bad, to me, it was just so low stakes.

>>8511
pffff
26 likes to that comment? what is wrong with zoomers

>>8511
Why not both?

>>8513
I'm tired of most yuri because they're all in high school. At least BL gets to be adults. There's some adult yuri but its all boring fluff, no going on adventures or fantasy stuff and if the story is dark it's about domestic abuse from one of their husbands.

>>8517
Nta, thank you!! You get it, most of these are the exact reasons why I can't get into Yuri.

>>8511

>yaoi oppresses men

>Korean pop industry forces boys through plastic surgery, imposes unrealistic beauty standards, and forbids them from dating just to maintain the fantasies of their fangirls? That's perfectly ok!

It's projection.

>>8514
some of them think misandry is real

i swear they repeat the same annoying talking points all the time i also find it ironic that they talk about "fetishism" but get upset about gay works that aren't even made by fujos because how dare they be more popular than some yuri shit

>>8523
>fujo pr is good
Is it really though? It seems like most non-fujo communities have disdain for us if not indifference. That’s not exactly “good” pr.

>>8524
because fujos reminded the moralfags that they're women but don't worry they came up with more excuses to be annoying

>>8523
I'm so tired of tweets like these and current anti fujoshi movement. Most of this coming from that stupid Arcane show and then butthurt shounen hetshipper like Sasusaku shippers jumping on. And Love and Deepsapce players, they LOVE the fact that m/m fanart is banned so they can harass artists.

I wish there could be a fujo only space away from these people. I'm tired of seeing fujos get shit from every group. The biggest sin fujos committed was writing fic on ao3 yet none of these people realize fic is only so popular because their needs aren't being met in most popular media. If someone wants to read het, they can read the hundreds of romance books out there, or watch any tv show, or play any otome. Het is always going to be the most common relationship in any video game. But no, it's fujos who are the problem because fanfic.

>>8527
its not even banned but the company still encouraged them harass artists anyways, het shippers always gotta play victim and they found a way to moralfag about fujos by calling them misogynists lol

>>8528
They're just as bad as incels. This is why I don't consider the popularity of that game to be a big victory for all women in gacha gaming. They'll just make more otome where fujos get harassed out of that space too. I wish there could be a joseimuke that gets big enough without inviting these people. It's bad when Hoyoverse is still the only big budget gacha game experience that's the most friendly to fujos, and it's still mid.

>>8523
>they
Who is they here? Fujos are neither a hivemind nor a religion. It's literally just a preference.
This is like calling het fans war criminals because it was usually het guys in the past raping women or marrying children.

That aside the chance of meeting a homophobe among NON-fujos is far, far higher than among them. Why does nobody try to make a connection between hetero faggotry and gay hate? If there is one type of person I see screeching about disgusting gays and death camp fantasies it's male otaku and yume.

>>8523
lets see
> gendie
> kpop
> obsessed with feminine aeshetic + pastel shit and makes it their whole personality
> likes magical girls shows but the only thing she can muster to praise about them is that they are feminine and nothing else.

Someone should start making bingos about these people tbh

>>8534
Why do so many Utena fans only talk about Utena, and not the very open lesbian or any of the other characters.

It's like they watched the opening, half the first episode, and were asleep for the series. I don't even see gifs from the movie, or the stage plays which were a lot more open about Anthy.

>>8519
Veering offtopic but I've been reading a bunch of Korean webnovels about idol boys, all ones recommended by fujoshi, and this is what I've found in common between them:
>main guys are super handsome or reasonably cute without surgery, usually so rivals/antagonists talk shit about wasting a good face and being hired on looks alone
>make up and hair styling is considered to make a significant difference between amateurs and professionals
>the only characters who get surgery are untrustworthy antagonists, like shorthand for them not believing in hard work and skill
>plot constantly criticizes absurd work hours, lack of sleep, downright anna-tier diets being enforced with no medical/nutritionist supervision
>at least half of the drama is butting heads with management over creative control of their work
>agency presidents are idiots who fail to understand how much a human body can withstand or what audiences want from a group
>the fun parts often make excuses for characters to eat nice things freely, escape work schedules, or decide their own performance themes
>some MCs are even known for plotting elaborate revenge plots on management so that the band gets a fair outcome
>no dating rules made to sound stupid but mandatory thanks to ruthless paparazzi and trolls, there's always one or two characters who question the logic of keeping men and women from even talking and other characters who answer "yeah, but unfortunately the public won't think that"
>despite the no dating rule most of them end up in a strong pair bond with ONE other guy, because that's safe and PR friendly
>by the power of fiction, these boys support each other as the most meaningful relationships they've ever had, fall asleep together, cook and eat together, stand up for one another in times of adversity, get mistaken for homosexuals together repeatedly, and owe each other their lives
So actually, in the realm of fiction where fujos have power, they are empowering the boys and rescuing them from harmful industry practices. Through yaoi, liberation. :^)

>>8539
Oh you reminded me that i need to catch up on debut or die, thanks nona

>>8538
I wouldn't call these people fans, Utena and Sailor moon and a ton of Mahou Shoujo fall into the same boat as stuff like Touhou or Lucky Star where people like what it represents and probably haven't engaged with the source material.

A fujo equivalent might be Hetalia or Dramatical Murder having a lot of people into it for the aesthetic but I don't think it's as big of a problems in yaoi spaces.

>>8534
>fictional concept being "humiliated": >:(
>supporting an industry which exploits young men and women, forces them into plastic surgery, makes them work all day, throws the unsuccessful ones in debt, forces them into eating disorder-tier weight loss and diets, etc, etc: :0!!
These people are outright stupid, there's no way around it. Also do they realize that Utena is ~problematic~ in canon lol

>>8538
>Utena and Sailor moon and a ton of Mahou Shoujo fall into the same boat as stuff like Touhou or Lucky Star where people like what it represents and probably haven't engaged with the source material
wow that's pathetic, they can't even be bothered to watch a show if they pretend to like something?

>>8534
>writer for fuwanovel
She's written 5 articles total and 2 are about Doki Doki Literature Club…

>>8538
They like the idea of sword lesbians, not Utena

>>8546
Athena would have been unpopular even as a male character be fr.
>all the previous main games are written by Shu Takumi but AA5 and 6 are some fanfic tier bullshit written by a literal who that copypastes everything that happens in the previous games
>Athena's character design is ass, some of the unused ones looked way better
>her backstory and arc are a weird fusion of Edgeworth's and Lynn from Ghost Trick (still Shu Takumi)'s stories
>only playable once in her own game and that case wasn't particularly interesting
>she's a teenager and a genius but it doesn't work at all like with Klavier and Franzsiska because she's a protagonist and she acts like a retard most of the time. Phoenix and Apollo were young adults who graduated from law school normally so they're easier to relate to
>her fanfic tier bullshit game ensured that we'll never have a continuation of AA4, Klavier and Trucy are set aside despite having a lot of potential for more development and Apollo will never know about his mother. Don't even get me started on his garbage backstory in AA6, still written by the same retard. DGS feels way more like a direct sequel despite it being a prequel because it keeps the jury thing relevant and even makes it a gameplay feature, Holmes and Iris basically inherit Phoenix and Trucy's roles and Barok has Klavier's role as the mysterious and talented prosecutor who was "betrayed" by his older brother, it felt like Shu Takumi reused his ideas for AA5 in these games
>her gimmick with the super autism is stupid except when used on the phantom but that's just once

I think Athena isn't hated, she's just not on anyone's radar at all. Which might be even worse. But she deserves it so it's okay, at least Simon is a more fun character to compensate.

>>8549
Tbh I actually liked Athena and never really understood the hate for her until you explained it. It sounds like she's just a victim of being stuck in a shitty game.

>>8550
Athena will never be worse than AA6 so honestly it could have been worse for her. Ironically I thought her case in AA6 was a lot more fun than the rest of the game. If she was the only playable character in AA5 I think she would have been a lot more popular depending on how the story would have been written.

>>8550
I like Athena too, even with the unpopularity she is generally well liked by everyone, I think this is yet another case of yumes finding a fandom that was dominated by fujos for years and trying to take it over by guilt tripping (and failing)
Same happened with Kingdom hearts and Clamp.

>>8550
I don't find Athena as interesting as the main guys because I feel like she's written in the same way that every other quirky Ace attorney teen girl is except instead of an assistant she's technically a lawyer. Though I did notice that she's often left out in merch and that's unfortunate. I guess that's more proof of her lack of popularity.
>>8551
>Ironically I thought her case in AA6 was a lot more fun than the rest of the game.
Yeah same. I never really gave a shit about the main political drama plot so for me it was a plus that her case was separate from it