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So this has been confirmed by all my Chinese mutuals, who have told me how hopeless things have become there and it's only getting worse. In 2014 obscenity laws were passed in China that mainly targeted mainstream porn sites, but gay content was also included and targeted, forcing Chinese BL authors to use more 'flowery language' if they were writing something intended for an 'audience' in public, but on foreign sites (Western but mostly Taiwanese) they could be more free, still it was gradually building up to this, starting from 2022(according to my mutuals) the underground sites were removed en-masse, now the Chinese government even forces foreign companies to meet their standards. If you are a Chinese citizen who even writes anything about gay romance, you will go to jail for it
Here's the article for more information
https://www.whatsonweibo.com/the-price-of-writing-smut-inside-chinas-crackdown-on-erotic-fiction/ No.7583
girls, most radfems arent against erotica as a whole, just the exploitation of women that happens in prostitution and in the porn industry, hence why being "anti-porn" is a core point of their ideology.
another point they bring up is how the hypersexualization of females leads to multiple negative consequences for women in society.
these are all very real issues and i dont think they're wrong in pointing them out.
some radfems might have a more general aversion to porn and extend it to fujo content but that's usually an issue of the individual rather than something intrinsic to radical feminism.
i want to believe they're mostly gloating about the impact on scrotes, and are ignorantly unaware of how it hurts undeserving women artists too.
No.7584
>>7583>most radfems arent against erotica as a whole, just the exploitation of women that happens in prostitution and in the porn industry, hence why being "anti-porn" is a core point of their ideology. Most feminists are like this, you don't have to be a "radfem" to recognize how harmful porn is. The extreme black and white thinking, obsession with ideological purity and egoistical take on the "radfem-libfem" binary is a one sided rivalry a lot of radfem influencers constantly feed into and then they dip and at some point they either come out as crunchy hippies into shit like antivaxxing and peddling snake oil to their followers OR turn into tradfems after getting married to a catholic Nigel and start preaching against gay people. The "pro-porn" stance a lot of "libfems" (i.e. any feminist who doesn't want to kill troons as specified by the rad-lib dichotomy) carry is that they want to support sex workers and their human rights, not enable scrotes to look at violent porn. The tide on issues like OF has really shifted and the "woman has sex with 100 men over 24 hours for clout and has a mental breakdown" thing peaked even the most dense heads.
See, I agree with a ton of radfem ideas. Most of them, in fact. I would classify myself as a radical feminist. But the online radfem spaces are infested with conservative fucks who twist these ideas into serving conservative causes. Radfems grew a big head about how "stupid" these "libfems" are for allowing troons to infiltrate their ranks but are completely blind how they did the exact same but with conservative right wingers. A sieve mocks the colander for having holes.
No.7585
>>7584i agree, but a lot of radfems or radfem-leaning women ive interacted with, including you, are not like how you're describing and are pretty sound women with good points.
i dislike aspects of both radical feminism and liberal feminism, and agree with points from both, but saying that libfems have the same awareness of the dangers of specific types of pornography on women and society as a whole hasn't been true at all in my experience.
they don't just want rights for women who work in the sex industry, which is a very fair point - the majority of them think that being in porn, prostitution, and perpetrating stereotypes and behaviors that keep women in submissive and snickered at position in society is ~empowering~, and this is far from the only issue in their beliefs.
you're totally right that some radfems use the anti-porn and anti-trans stance of radical feminism to hide their far-right nature. however, i do believe these women are not even feminists to begin with, let alone radical. it's just a hip way for them to perpetrate their bullshit while appearing quirkier than a tradwife.
No.7588
>>7585nayrt but I feel like that brand of "everything is empowering! never question anything that makes you horny!" liberal feminism has gotten a lot less popular and rhetorically weaker in recent years. it's not social justice tumblr years anymore. i think we ARE witnessing an overcorrection though. criticizing pornography (including 2d hentai, plenty of misogynistic tropes there too) is important, but i feel like even a lot of radfems do it pretty sloppily when they try to go beyond the obvious exploitation argument. i've seen enough fruitless debates on whether fujo radfems count as REAL radfems or not to realize that. in a way, it feels like a significant amount of radfems would rather write off women with strange sexual proclivities as lost causes instead of encouraging them to be more introspective. i still remember coming across a radblr blog who treated m/m whump fic like it was some extreme, incomprehensible taboo lol. it's true that a lot of women develop kinks that are heavily interlinked with misogyny and their own oppression, but i don't think online radfem communities as they are now are equipped to really do much to help those women and girls beyond dropping the usual quips.
with that being said, the porn lobby is powerful. i do feel like any porn ban would overwhelmingly affect independent, non-exploitative erotica by and for women and lgbt before even scratching anything owned by mindgeek.
No.7592
>>7582>it leads to young women developing pornsickness and transitioning to menKek, do they really? I can understand too much is bad but can't for the life of me compare a women who reads 2d erotica once a month to a man who spends most of his days gooning to women getting choked to death. To make things more ironic
They're probably the ones that certainly shlicking to yume art kek. No.7594
>>7592No really, that's a super common sentiment among them, especially radblr. I remember that one middle aged radfem who even made a fucking video about the topic.
>They're probably the ones that certainly shlicking to yume art kek.Oh, you bet. The Lolcow radfem variety in particular absolutely hates fujos and has multiple threads dedicated to complaining about how fujos are misogynists cucked into trooning out for frying their brains with gay porn while they themselves goon to Otome Game #453435 and its abusive main love interest Rapey McCageman.
No.7603
>>7579>Yeah, think about all the obscene moid coomery hailing from China with its numerous gacha games that are straight up porn made for men yet they always go unpunishedtbf a Chinese porn artist (gore, child rape) was sent to a literal labor camp for the next 10 years of his life, and the entire Chinese internet celebrated it
No.7606
>>7603Yeah men have to draw mauled children being raped in order to be punished while women can just draw two normal men kissing and get their asses detained.
No.7637
>>7594I do like hetshit but hetshitters pretending their hetslop is super feminist aren't doing feminism any favors. If they said they simply wanted more het ships in fanart they could've gone with that. But instead, they rather self-flagellate over ebil fujos turning their husbands into shit eating faggots.
not my fault that most canon het ships are garbage.
> I remember that one middle aged radfem who even made a fucking video about the topic.I forgot her name but everything about that vid felt so painfully wrong that you can't help but feel sorry for her. She's old and might've never engaged with fandom culture until you realize fandom stuff went way way back way before I was born.
>>7606It's making me ever more scared if trump might do the same for us Americans? I wouldn't put it past him given the cult he amass that hates anything anti-white, male, and straight.
No.7643
>>7637>It's making me ever more scared if trump might do the same for us Americans? I agree this sucks, but if we act like SJWs who set unrealistic goals, it will lead to us not being taken seriously. The most likely path is that porn and erotica will be banned, but anything to do with "LGBT" will be dealt with more severely and you can be fined for hosting "porn" sites. But we'll undoubtedly be seeingg free speech activists protesting this, which is the side we might end up having to side with, for better or for worse
No.7704
>>7643TFW I recall siding with free speech activism in the first damn place as an OG fujo in the early 2000's
No.7705
>>7643I don't mind certain types of porn getting banned. Lord knows numerous exploited kinkslop pervading these sites but I also believe we should go all or nothing on the topic of human sexuality. It's a constant for most of us and seeing so many countries scrutinize those outside the norm fills me with such rage that can't tamed. I hate it here.
And you know what's fucked? some "radfems" are complacent with this while their ssa sisters are getting dragged in the streets all over trannies turning the kids "gay".
No.8888
>>8887Any shotacon nonas in Texas be wary. Do you think they'll go after written erotica of underage characters eventually? I'd assume not, but this is the state where there's specific areas where it's a crime to leave the state to get an abortion. Also bold of them to ban loli porn and not the gross child sex dolls that get distributed from their state.
No.8891
>>8888>>8887Broad bill, everything there is already punishable under other obscenity laws. If it makes you feel better the "obscene" is very hard to argue which is why manga which features underage characters is allowed to be sold in Americia. It has a plot and can be argued to have autistic merit. This bill is going to be used when they bust someone with other illicit material as a way to add years. It's probably also formalizing punishing AI deepfakes of minors which would alreafy fall under obscenity laws but this makes it explicit.
Obscene material is notoriously hard to prosecute, I wouldn’t worry about it if you aren't doing anything sketchy.
No.8895
>>8891>Obscene material is notoriously hard to prosecuteTrue, but I just don't trust Texas. I know my state has a similar law, but afaik no one's ever actually been arrested or even prosecuted for lolisho even if it was mentioned in court. I think there's only ever been two cases of someone being arrested for only lolisho in the entirety of the US. Christopher Handley and another man with the name Christopher. Handley had loli manga with violent rape and bestiality and was sentenced to 6 months and the other guy had animated lolisho with rape and group sex and took a plea deal. I don't think any woman in the US have ever been targeted, but I'd still be careful in Texas.
No.9270
>>9268>too popular to ignore, too controversial to honourI think this goes for pandering to women as a whole, past just danmei or even bl. It's a sad state of affairs, especially when they seem happy enough when the money gets into their fucking pockets.
No.9271
>>9268LEAVE FUJOS AND FUDANSHIS ALONE!
They should be going after the yumes who are interested in hetero romance but won't go out and actually live it and get married.
Why always go after the gay and gay-adjacent!? Despite the popularity, we are still such a minority. Leave us the fuck alone already.
No.9272
>>9268Bingyuan on the front page and not in the way I expected.
>>9270>they seem happy enough when the money gets into their fucking pocketsAbsolutely. A bunch of danmei authors being held accountable used to be given what felt like a free pass in physical book sales because it made good money for businesses, while the web versions got banned or censored. People moved to overseas hosts to dodge the bans but the Chinese government is only more enraged that they're not seeing money from the coin sales. They want women turning up to events and spending money on cafes and transport, but they're still shitting themselves over the fact they aren't consuming the 500,000 het soap operas the same sites host. Most of these authors grew up reading both, but only one has been worth putting passion into.
No.9273
>>9272>Bingyuan on the front page Even BBC fujos know SVSSS is the superior series
No.9276
>>9273The writer of the article thinks all danmei is BDSM, so it's probably not a fujo. I wonder if AI was used.
No.9279
>>9276>>9276What? What the fuck did she mean it's BDSM? How much em dash were used? AI can be sussed out that way if someone has a keen eye on ai writing.
No.9280
>>9279Now that I reread the section in the article, it might be that the writer was very badly phrasing that the particular author's work was BDSM. At first it sounded like it's referring to danmei generally.
>They had published their work on Haitang Literature City, a Taiwan-hosted platform known for its "danmei", the genre of so-called boys' love and erotic fiction.Think of it as a gay version of Fifty Shades of Grey: a BDSM relationship that leads to a happily-ever-after. That's a frequent trope, across historical, fantasy or sci-fi settings. Over the years it has cultivated a fiercely devoted following, especially among young Chinese women.
No.9282
>>9276>>9279>>9280I also rolled my eyes at the bdsm and fsog comparison. Wtf are the authors or the AI they used talking about? Have they ever read a danmei novel? Definitely not. They are misrepresenting an entire genre on the default news source for Brits. I hate journalists.
No.9288
>>9282Immediately bringing up mpreg also feels like a little bit of a red flag tbh. It's not like danmei is 90% mpreg, it's something incredibly avoidable. It feels as though it was added as shock value at a pervert community, alongside bringing up how girls get into it as low as eleven.
No.9299
>>9282It's just a bad attempt at explaining the concept of women reading erotic/romantic literature.
No.9354
>>9271>They should be going after the yumes who are interested in hetero romance but won't go out and actually live it and get married.They really should. A non-lesbian fujo can easily have her ships and a 3DPD man. If a yume dates a man he's gonna be competing with Bakugo.
No.9361
>>9354Well it goes to show you how silly yumes are because Bakugo is clearly closeted and should be dating another boy.
No.9710
>>9708Wow. They've even come for the sworn brothers and NBR.
No.9715
>>9708>no drunk shenanigans>no coming of age>no royalty>no werewolf or monster boys that are too inhuman>no blackmail>no vomit? (I’m confused on why this isn’t allowed cause it seems tame tbh but you give an inch they take a mile I guess)Well I wasn’t planning on selling my adult games or even posting them on itch/steam anyway, but man I feel like this is just discouraging women from entering the adult game dev industry.
No.9829
>>9708>>9715This is fucking insane. I don't mind shit like underage or zooshit getting the boot but half of this sounds retarded.
No.9835
>>9834Thread's name is "China's crackdown on erotica" but anons have been posting about censorship in general.
Vid seems interesting, I'll give this a watch when I get back home.
No.9892
BTW, there is a good write-up about the recent payment processor censorship in the OP:
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/payment-processor-censorship-visa-mastercard-stripe-paypal-etc.224937/I'm not copy-pasting it here, since it's too long.
No.9896
My Figure Collection has been monitoring how otaku get affected by the conspiracies of filthy gaijin:
https://myfigurecollection.net/thread/20166>>9834Watched the vid - there was stuff I didn't know of before, like the debanking of porn stars (what was that supposed to accomplish?). I appreciate the links:
https://stop-paypros.neocities.org No.10318
That "drawn/generated depiction of minors" bill (SB20) went live in Texas on Monday. Apparently a weeb porno distributor (JAST) was removed from San Japan (Texas con) over the weekend. I'm interested in what the first publicized case of this will be. It would be on brand for shit stirrers to start reporting NSFW artists who live in Texas, for example.
No.10319
>>10318I’m so fucking thankful I don’t live in the hellhole that is Texas. I remember wanting to move there when I was younger for opportunities but I unironically would rather move to a druggie-infested city than any shithole in Texas. I can’t stand how anti-freedom that state has become over the past 10-15 years. I get banning live action porn, but they never fucking go after that shit. They go after random ass cartoon porn instead because it’s an easier target and the porn industry is lobbying for its banning because they know cartoon porn was getting too popular. If they could, they’d ban all anime porn, but they have to use the excuse of “depiction of minors.” Which is so vague, it unironically includes jojo’s bizarre adventure characters.
No.10320
>>10318How is this not against the first amendment? How can someone even tell if a character is supposed to be underage if they are drawn like a post-pubescent?
No.10327
>>10318this law is mainly focused on AI-generated hyper-realistic CSAM. It would be a waste of time and resources to target anything else. I agree that the bill does need clarification (and to remove the cartoon part)
No.10337
>>10319Kek I'm glad I'm about to move out of state. Does Arkansas have any retarded laws like this?
I'm all for moids being unable to view lolishit, but I know damn well this is going to become a bigger problem than it seems. We're unironically going to end up having cases like that one where a man got fined for having Simpsons shock porn on his computer.
>>10322My hope is that the cartoons they're referring to is the same as what was always illegal - realistic drawings or anything that depicts an identifiable child.
No.10338
>>10337>having cases like that one where a man got fined for having Simpsons shock porn on his computer.The (reasonable tbh) copium I've been reading is that if it goes to the Supreme Court then it will get knocked down by the 1st like
>>10320 says. I don't envy whoever is gonna have to first climb that ladder though.
>>10327I wish "a lot of this was provably trained on real CSAM" was enough to kill gen AI for good.
No.10344
>>10338>if it goes to the Supreme Court then it will get knocked down by the 1stLogically it shouldn’t even need to get that far to be knocked down, but afaik almost all district federal judges in Texas were appointed by republican presidents and the appellate federal court for Texas is also filled with republican-appointed judges. And then the US Supreme Court is filled with republican-appointed judges as well. And while not every republican is anti-porn, a lot of them are pro-abrahamic religious practices. Also there’s already a similar federal law (less vague and less likely to have random porn artists be charged with it), but that law is only ever enforced for people that already have real csem charge to get them a harsher sentence.
No.10567
>>10566That just looks like a more feminine gay man instead of a woman kek