No.14625[Last 50 Posts]
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>>13840Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.14626
I like muscular bishies and stuff that looks a bit bara, but I hate full-on bara. Still I'm ashamed.
No.14628
>>14627Because then I'm grouped with people that like bara where the guy looks like a gorilla. Makes me puke.
No.14630
>>14610>Also not sure if it's me, but I feel like fic writing has gotten so much worse the last ~5 years or so. Like most recent shit I see is literally atrocious. Not unprofessional. I mean outright atrocious. I have seen fics that were literally just 10 sentence long summaries. 5+ years ago almost every I touched was at least okay. Many even good, some fantastic. Now most of them sound like a summary of tiktok posts.There was some discussion about this a while ago in one of the fic threads, but the tl;dr was that back in The Day most writers also read books. Now writers either don't read, or what they do read is just fanfic or "Ao3 house style" romantasy. Also, we now have young adults that had ~5 years of covid derailing their education/development entering fandom spaces.
>>14621>VPBased. I agree here too, although it makes me wish for a way to filter by author birth year lol.
No.14632
>>14631this happens to me a lot and then I gaslight myself into thinking I misread the spoiler
No.14633
Like most fujos I am constantly puzzled over where wannabe fujos get those "lesbian" or "FTM" vibes from whenever they talk about literally any characters they like. We talked about this a ton of times. But today was the first time that I wondered if these people even know what the terms "lesbians", "woman" and "trans" mean.
Why now? Because I a currently in a fandom of a game with gay characters and male dominated cast. There are only three female characters in there that vaguely matter and none of them even look much like women or have ANY sort of interaction with other women besides one (1) single scene in which one of them tells the other one to fuck off from a couch. Despite that there are "fujos" that claim the game was very lesbian. Today I saw one of them becoming a fan of it for being "inherently sapphic coded". Thing is, there is NO way that anything here could be seen as lesbian? What the fuck. At best you could say it's because the designs of the women are either manly-looking or they're monsters, but this isn't the same as lesbian. They also call the male characters lesbians.
I always tried to make sense of that shit but honestly I get some Okham's Razor vibes here and maybe the easiest explanation is that these idiots just keep using words for meme reasons without even caring about what they actually mean.
No.14634
>>14633I wonder how much of it is performative. Fujos get guilt-tripped for being "male-centered" for focusing on male characters and being "lesbophobic" for not caring about f/f. So they let the guilt-tripping get to them and act like this alongside their true fujo passions.
No.14635
>>14633I see this kinda talk around sometimes and I think the difference between fujos and these people are that fujos at their core are just "shippers" and they are "reppers". They engage with media entirely on how queer they think they can make it seem whereas we are there because we are making the dolls kiss. Heaven forbid they go read a book written by a gay and/or trans person with canonically gay/trans characters. They want the scout badge but don't actually want to participate.
>>14634>So they let the guilt-tripping get to them and act like this alongside their true fujo passions.I used to think this but these people never actually write/draw stuff for fujos, if they are even writing/drawing at all. Nobody who types like this ever has quality works that offset their terrible posts.
No.14639
>>14638This has to be some kind of psyop. How do none of them realise they are treating real women like shit in favour of fake women?
No.14640
>>14639they don't, it's not about women, they don't care about us, real women, they care about characters that they can relate to and have autistic fantasies about.
These people are all narcissists, they always used misogyny to justify their own narcissim and the inherent need feel catered.
I don't really care thou, I am not guilt tripped by their word salad and manipulative words anymore, so they can scream to the void as much as they want. But it's sad other fujos see that some schizo nobody on twitter says "fujo evil" and feels bad about it.
No.14641
>>14638As someone who lurks in both CN and EN communities it's really not a CCP psyop. The CN antifujos belong to the CN radfem crowd whose ideals for feminism are still stuck in 10's tumblr idpol with Bechdel tests equivalents as yardstick for defining whether a piece of work is feminist or misogynist. It's the same kind of pixel fauxminism you have in EN communities at the moment. Call it comparative fauxminism or whatever.
>You are not required to like BL but just because you can't self insert doesn't mean you have to hate it, these people are inherently annoyed at porn when the whole reason they are annoyed is because they feel alienated from the porn and not the porn itself.Ironically they don't share the same level of vitriol for hentai as they do for yaoi (similarly, they don't go after porn creators who are male as often as they do after the female ones). But I suppose hentai puts female pleasure/orgasms front and center, and you have tons of female representation so they don't feel alienated.
No.14642
I hate that twitter's newest changes killed the "RT" culture. Asians would always leave some nice comments on their profile after retweeting art, no that the retweets are separated from the original posts you can't do it anymore since nobody knows which RT they're referring to.
>>14638The first post is such a bad case of ESL that I don't even know what the fuck they're trying to say. I am too autistic to understand grammar-gibber.
The second post? Congratulations for falling for right-wing psyops that try to make you hate gay shit because gay is evil to them. Fucking idiots.
"Hurr durr a series doesn't pander to men, this means it's misgynist". This is the bullshit they say.
No.14643
>>14638>First screenshotI swear these "reformed fujos" who complain about how much fujos "center men" are disgruntled yumes who got tired of pretending that they like their fandom's main couple when they simply husbandofag for one of them.
>Second screenshotI understand women growing up in a suffocatingly patriarchal and misogynist countries and who are obsessed with militant separatism due to their cultural context openly hating women turning into political lesbianism and being angry but they can not fucking call fujos detrimental to feminism when each one of their own has a k-pop/adjacent PFP and staunchly support multibillion dollar industries that starve young women to the point they faint on stage, force them into extreme plastic surgery and sex work to advance their careers and then put them under celibacy to feed into their parasocial fans' fantasies. All of them have at least one idol girl that they are convinced to be a slaying yass queen undercover lesbian and who will surely change the status quo to celebrate women when she's your garden variety product who will never express an opinion in public. They're living an escapist fantasy.
>>14639>>14640They've internalized a lot of misogynist ideas from around them and became this very specific brand of NLOG where only they have ascended to see the truth and every other woman is a vapid male worshiping dumb bitch who hasn't seen the light. Like
>>14641 said it's very baby's first steps towards feminism thought.
No.14646
Just saw this gem and it summaries the whole issue I have with online idiots. I fucking hate it when people use words for fun, without meaning them. I also hate memes. I hate this whole meme obsessed culture that only talks in memes and catch phrases instead of forming original sentences and I hate people who are into something for the memes. Shipping gay for le funny meme, being trans for meme, talking quirky for memes. Fuck off.
>>14644Social media addiction is the worst shit that has ever happened to human brains after religious mindfuckery. But the latter was at least restricted to certain cultures and times, this here is global and I doubt that it will go away.
No.14647
>>14641>they don't share the same level of vitriol for hentai of course they don't.
>>14642Unironically i think it is, entertainment industries didn't hate lesbian couples with the same intensity of gay couples, because women having sex with women is enjoyable for men to watch, so they are very convienently doing everything the mass media is ok with lol
No.14648
>>14646Words don't have any meaning and everything has to be irony poisoned at all times because being sincere and holding on to definitions in an environment where millions of eyes will always be watching you and one small mistake will make you the main character of the day makes you extremely exposed and vulnerable. So you always have to keep the wiggle room of reasonable doubt to allow backpedaling. But in return this has given birth to this kind of insincere meme culture where everything is just aesthetics and social capital to accumulate followers instead of forming genuine connection with the people around you.
No.14649
>>14644why people with the chudjak look are always retarded
No.14650
>>14641>they don't go after porn creators who are male as often as they do after the female onesThis is the main reason I'll never be able to take any of these "militant feminists" seriously. They know, deep down, that harassing men for making grotesque porn is a herculean task since they have the number advantage and are far more aggressive if they perceive a threat to their "culture". Women are generally easier to guilt trip and harass into silence, everytime I see a female artist getting shit it's always for the stupidest reasons such as that one asian artist that was harassed and called racist for not drawing the princess and the frog prince when she drew other disney princes, you don't even have to do anything especially heinous. Of course these people are nowhere to be found when women online receive unjust harassment, hell a lot of the time they're right there alongside the angry mob. Once I start seeing these antifujos actually successfully harass a male porn artist into quitting social media instead of sperging about da fujosharts I might actually develop some respect for them.
No.14651
>>14642In an ideal world this would make people more likely to leave direct comments because I don't have time to check every RT in case someone said something, but in practice I guess it'll probably just lead to no one leaving any kind of comment at all.
No.14652
>>14644>virtue signaling about children>says boymomlol right the term boymom, the new term that is being thrown around on women who just love their babies, is it the new pickme?
But yeah no you care about children thou, greasy hair chan.
No.14653
>>14638It's such an alien mentality. I'm not saying that no work with het romance can be feminist, but I've always preferred female protagonists/characters to not have a romantic interest when I want to read about them. Women being in the (het) romance or titillation box is so default that a story which simply centers around a woman with none of those things is automatically significant, and I wonder how people like this feel about such works. BL is a space which is free of all that. Women not being involved in the romance is a feature, not a bug. I don't care if the Het LI treats his gf perfectly by RL standards and lets her peg him, a romance between two men is something I don't feel any personal connection to as an observer and my brain isn't actively aware of the inherently loaded gender dynamic at all times. It's as neutral as watching two sentient blocks fall in love, except two men are hotter than sentient blocks.
There is also a shit ton of het media, especially villainess slop, where only the MC matters and everyone else is a bitch in her way. Het absolutely has the lead on treating female characters badly right now.
No.14654
>>14638I don't get these retards. If I wanted to read a book centered around female characters, I would read literally anything else. If I wanted het, I would read or make het.
>>14643>these "reformed fujos" who complain about how much fujos "center men" are disgruntled yumeAnd they act like born again Christians with a superiority complex
>I was once a fujo, but then I realized that being a yume is better than every way and that it was all just porn addiction!I don't understand how yume or het-oriented content is higher-quality or less cringe than BL overall either kek.
>>14644CSAM cannot be fictional. Words or drawings are not CP or CSAM.
No.14655
>>14646Contrapoints is a troon so I wonder if he got backlash for this and backpedaled at some point. It's certainly a correct take either way.
No.14658
>>14654These are the same who suddenly stop reading/liking BL once they get a boyfriend. Fucking fake ass bitches.
No.14660
>>14658i never understood it. if all it takes is some guy coming into your life to extinguish all your creative passion, did you even like the thing in the first place?
No.14661
>>14638Sometimes I wish I was a guy because they don't have to deal with this shit. Nobody in waifufag spaces goes "ERMM AREN'T YOU CENTERING WOMEN TOO MUCH? WHY DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT MALES?". Why are women always expected to, by other women, to be doing some righteous cause with what they like?
Also, this account sounds like a troll. Or probably one of the super ultra radfem chink lesbians I guess. Their entire profile is dedicated towards RPF so I don't think they care or give a shit about fujo culture, they just want to goon over women.
No.14662
>>14653>but I've always preferred female protagonists/characters to not have a romantic interest when I want to read about them.Big same. My favorite girl characters tend to be the secondary ones who aren't often under the Sword of Damocles that is a shitty canon romance. She can be flustered by attention or even have a crush/shiptease, but I want her to be so focused on her own shit that these things do not bog down the fandom around her.
No.14663
>>14658Fake fans like that actually exist? That is so weird. I can't imagine not liking BL anymore just because of that.
No.14664
>>14663Yes, and sometimes you'll hear "I stopped liking/being into BL and gay ships when I lost weight." If it's not a moid, it's their physical appearance. How the fuck do you even meme yourself into liking BL and gay shipping like that? How pathetic do you have to be to avoid het or yume content until you finally landed a man or got the stacy body? Have some self respect jfc
No.14667
>>14664I've seen both fujos/yumes admit their interest in said things were primarily due to self-esteem issues and relationship hang-ups and it's kinda sad. They're aware it's just cope for them but are fine with it because it makes them happy in the moment I guess. Basically the epitome of failed normies who will drop those interests at the at the drop of a hat.
No.14668
Take a shot every time an antifujo complains about too much yaoi existing on LC or WC.
No.14669
>>14668Maybe I'm just "no fun allowed" but the posting-style and culture of WC is really cringy.
No.14670
>>14669they are self-admitted stunted autists who play roblox and watch TADC. It was inevitable.
No.14671
>>14670>who play roblox and watch TADCUnrelated maybe but this reminds me that I saw a post on LC where an anon was blaming fujos for not liking the frog because "she's probably getting in the way of yaoi" (regarding Jax).
I don't care about TADC but how braindead must you be to not have been aware of how much people hetshipped Jax? If anything, the only criticism there is nowadays is if you DON'T acknowledge him as heckinnn transfemm
No.14672
>>14664it's because they finally can self insert without feeling like they are no way near as attractive as the self insert
No.14673
>>14664Fat fujos being a stereotype is why I initially got fit lmao
No.14674
>>14671>blaming fujos for not liking the frog because "she's probably getting in the way of yaoi"lol is this bitch serious? there were barely any M/M ships for TADC, and all of Jax's popular ships were het. The only TADC ships that got any attention were het and yuri. That nonna has fujoshi derangement syndrome
No.14675
>>14663Yeah it's a thing. Going into my 20's I lost a lot of long time fujo friends who suddenly lost interest in BL after they entered their first serious relationship. Some of them eventually circled back in their 30's though, I do feel like they were just insecure about liking something their boyfriends found nasty until they grew a spine.
>>14664>>14667The "I'm too ugly and single for het stuff" is such a bitter place to enjoy something from and I've seen it happen too. I understand it and I don't really judge because fujo stuff offering a respite from the ridiculous expectations placed on women is one of its big appeals but I wish they wouldn't be made to feel like they have to choose.
No.14676
>>14664To the contrary, I try to look my best and live my best successful life to become the fujostacy I aspire to be. I hate the fat ugly loser TIF fujo stereotype — I’ve seen plenty of conventionally attractive fujos and successful fujos who work in careers in science, medicine, tech, business, etc who are no less passionate about BL. Fujos come in all shapes and sizes from all walks of life.
>>14673Hell yeah good for you. All that sports anime BL is great motivation too.
No.14678
>>14677Dangerously based and queen shit right there. Defend Zoro's honor!
No.14679
>>14664>>14675>>14677>too ugly and single for het stuffLiking BL because you want to self-insert or live vicariously through the fmc but can't is a sad mentality. I'm not judging because low self-esteem affects your entire life. Although I understand it however, the mentality is a bit alien to me since I don't think about myself when escaping into fiction. I've felt isolated from other women because of that at times.
>What he did this to you?!I don't want to think about characters interacting with me
No.14680
>>14678thank you, kek, I don't play about zoro or any other fictional men I love. if a guy wants to get with me he just has to accept that I'm a fujo. I'm very lenient about moid hobbies too in return but most moids are deeply insecure in the first place. it's just not worth the hassle of bothering with them.
>>14679>I don't want to think about characters interacting with meI feel this. I also love reading and the new wave of readers (prevalent on booktok) are largely weirdos because they always need to feel represented and included and whatnot. reading and other media is for me to be entertained, not to be part of. then again, I also never enjoyed making a sims self in sims 2 and playing my "dream life", I only ever play with OCs.
No.14681
>>14638I thought it was only english speakers who pulled this "muh bl is misogyny" shit. And like you said they can never provide any actual reason as to why it's misogynistic, and no being "male-centered" and the absence of female characters doesn't count, it's just a way for horny women to get off. These women just want an excuse to police others and are mad that they don't share the same tastes as them. Mind you women in china actually get jailed over making bl but I guess it's okay since they're the evil oppressors apparently.
>>14679>Liking BL because you want to self-insert or live vicariously through the fmc but can't is a sad mentalityI like to dabble in het and yume content occasionally but I honestly blame this on how a good chunk of fmcs are depicted along with other moidy tropes that are typically found in that genre. In shoujo/otome for example the mc will sometimes look super cutesy at worst, but in hentai for women the heroine either looks like jailbait or is drawn with noticeably titillating proportions and the focus is mostly on her body during nsfw scenes, which would only drive most readers away. A lot of femgaze hentai also features rape and the fmc is either a massive doormat or acts like a child. Luckily there's a couple series that don't feature male gaze elements but they're heavily outnumbered. Lc also has a thread on /m/ where they offer recommendations and complain about it if it helps.
No.14682
This is somewhat about Goodbye Lara but bear with me because it helps analyzing what I am observing among gay haters as well. So there is an idiot saying she hated yuri but is still watching Lara because she hopes that MC will get together with the boy after all. Confronted with people questioning her media literacy she gets mad and replies it's not yuri because it "isn't tagged" as such and "not everything is shipping".
I see this shit all the time with anti-gays as well. Are people literally too brain dead to watch a fucking show? Do they really need MAL to tell them whether a series is gay or straight? Like Lara's whole fucking plot is about her realizing that the guy she had a crush on for being a pretty prince isn't what true love is. It's impossible to watch that series without knowing the fucking story so I have to question the sanity of hetfags here and I observe this with tons of series with gays as well.
Basically not being tagged as yaoi means it's not yaoi even if the characters are openly gay (like the dude from Sparks of Tomorrow right now). So why the fuck isn't het shit tagged then? Are Nuruto and TTLG tagged as "het romance"? Fucking no. And despite that nobody would watch the romance with Nia unfold and pretend it was just friendship.
I swear het fans are so fucking unbearable.
No.14683
>>14664I legit never met a fat fujo in my life. Wonder if it's more of an American phenomenon. I also don't understand the connection. Because they want bfs and don't get them they get into gay stuff instead? I hope this isn't true for many because I always disliked fans who only like something because they couldn't get some mundane shit in real life and only treated fiction consumption as coping mechanism instead of a genuine interest. This is why (male) otaku are so damn annoying, they're mostly failed normalfags that fap to little 2D girls because nobody gifts them a trophy waifu for free in reality.
That said though it's not necessarily otaku or fujo related. I lost my best female friend when she got boyfriends too long ago. She wasn't a fujo but she lost all interest in manga/anime and horror (we were massive horror fans as teens) in general afterwards, it was like a spell. Met her one time again years later and the only thing she liked was Twilight then and I had 0 interest in that so we mostly tried and failed to do small talk.
Dunno maybe I am not the right guy to discuss this with since I never had a crush on a real person or craved romance IRL. All I need
is a cute animal to pet, that's all the physical interaction that I need in real life.
>>14668Retarded question but what is WC? Another anon image board?
No.14684
>>14677i ditched the only guy i was ever with because he couldn't accept my hobbies lol.
No.14685
>>14682>but is still watching Lara because she hopes that MC will get together with the boy after allAnd people aren't dogpiling on her? lmao it sounds to me like she likes Luca herself mostly and uses Lara to self-insert. This was common for Suletta/Elan shippers for Gwitch when it was airing.
The show beats you constantly with telling you that even if Lara is forcing herself to like Luca, it's not her ideal choice. Besides, everything about it simply already felt yuri to begin with? It had a very ikuhara-style sorta feeling to it even before airing.
It sounds to me that some people clearly see heterosexuality as 'the norm' and don't want to make it too obvious they do hate gay relationships so they cope about it that it's about the writing or the lack of tags or whatever.
No.14686
>>14685Pressed sent too soon.
Anyway, personally I don't think the show will go full on yuri and do the friendship angle pull (as it usually happens) but this is still not a confirmation of het. I've been watching the show but try to avoid as much discussion of it as possible elsewhere, because as you say it's deranged hetfags vs yurifags vs shitposters vs everyone else
No.14687
>>14683WC is Witchan which yes is an imageboard made by a woman for women, and she claims it's for "freedom to post" she's a shotacon so she allows people to post stuff relating to that there but in general it's more lax on who can make threads like 4chan. They allow yaoi but there's already been a couple of threads made complaining about yaoi/fujos (not that that stops me from using it), go check it out if you want another non-moidy ib.
>>14684Based anon, this is why my ideal relationship is with someone who either has completely different hobbies so they don't gaf at all or pretty similar ones so we can relate. If someone has had a hobby for majority of their life what makes you think you can get them to drop it for your unwashed ass that came into their life a month ago?
No.14688
>>14687>if you want another non-moidy ib. That's not what the global rules say.
No.14689
>>14688Didn't she justify the lack of "no moids rule" with saying that it just attracted baiting scrotes if she put it? She still does ban them.
No.14690
>>14689She did. Half the witches understood her intentions/4D chess plan and the other half just couldn't use their brain to figure it out kek.
No.14691
>>14690>Nimu>4D chessSus post baka desu senpai
No.14692
>>14690Yeah I mean if LC was just an ib made by women w/ no other stipulations it wouldn't live rent-free in a lot of male ib users heads if not for the fact that it's explicitly only for women. Nimu has already taken several measures (from telling the AllChans moderator to take down the link (?) or something relating to that to WC, and making it so you can't look it up on google) to protect her ib idk why people think she's subtly caping for/inviting moids. Fujochan gets no bait ONLY because yaoi is such a scrote-repellant males only come here to raid, they can't be bothered to have conversations about BL.
No.14693
>>14682>Basically not being tagged as yaoi means it's not yaoi even if the characters are openly gay (like the dude from Sparks of Tomorrow right now).This is bad comparison. Side homo is fine (esp if villains) main characters are another thing altogether.
No.14694
>>14691Kek, sorry anon I'm not Nimu. I don't think I'd want to deal with witches' daily complaints about dumb stuff.
>>14692I guess it's because, if my memory serves me right, she once made a post on wc's /meta/ that was something like "moids are welcome to post" so she could snip lurking scrotes and everyone ran with it.
No.14695
>>14693What are some animanga series that haven't been tagged as BL despite involving endgame homo w/ the MC? All I can think of is YOI & Ao No Flag and this one shojo manga called Kieta Hatsukoi. Usually though it's cases like the last one I mentioned where it's a shojo so it's still categorized/made for women right?
No.14696
>>14692Extrait de BL is extremely potent. They could never understand its complexity and the artistry behind its craft.
No.14698
>>14682>>14685>It sounds to me that some people clearly see heterosexuality as 'the norm' This is 100% it, both with yuri and yaoi, and jp fans especially do this all the time. If there's any subtext, or even an actual gay character, these fans will just discard it as 'fanservice' for the fujos, they don't even consider it an actual possibility because to them the only romantic relationships that can exist are het. And those het relationships don't even need much, a guy and a girl just need to exist and maybe have one conversation, while male/female only relationships that are much deeper and have more nuance constantly get reduced to simply friendship.
They will often say that they're not homophobic, and their favourite argument that follows is 'if you want gay relationships you should read BL!', but the problem is exactly how they don't want gay relationships to exist outside of its' defined 'niche' so to say. If a media is mainstream and doesn't have the BL tag, it's expected that the romance should be het no matter what. All this applies to yuri too.
It's a difficult line, because on one hand you have authors that just don't know how to write female characters so you end up with unintentional fujobait (shounens), but there are also authors that want to add gay elements to their works that aren't tagged as BL, and certain fans will try to het-ify it regardless because in the end it's as simple as not wanting to see gay people in their series (even if they try to make many excuses for it).
No.14699
>>14698>but the problem is exactly how they don't want gay relationships to exist outside of its' defined 'niche' so to sayHell, they don't want that niche to exist in the first place.
No.14700
>>14695with BL like kieta hatsukoi it’s still widely known as BL because the gay romance is the main plot. With the existence of BL magazines now some people think an obvious BL somehow isn’t one just because it’s in non-BL mag, even though BL as a genre started out in non-BL mags (mainly shoujo) and there are still some BL authors nowadays who still choose to go with a non-BL mag for a variety of reasons. if the two mains are gay it’s BL
No.14701
>>14695>What are some animanga series that haven't been tagged as BL despite involving endgame homo w/ the MC?Bizarro outlier are The Transformers. As it is both an English and Japanese production with both North American media and Japanese exclusive shows and manga.
The cast is 99% male, and while there are some M/F pairings, it isn't guaranteed that the lead male will end up with one of the 3 important fembots. Between the western shows, the Japanese anime, the comics and manga, it's a roulette wheel.
It is also wholly random if it will be a serious romance or a gag. Pic related are a serious M/F pairing in English. But in Japanese, they are a M/M couple. In a gag dub.
No.14702
>>14697It says online it's published/marketed as Josei, so while I'm happy we have another slow-burn gay romance, it tracks this was allowed by that kind of publisher.
>>14700That's true but it starts out w/ the guy crushing over the girl and initially the "romance" b/w the guys is a misunderstanding Guy #2 takes too seriously and decides to give the MC's "feelings" serious consideration before rejecting him (again), and readers/MC are misled to believe the FMC likes Guy #2. It now is known as gay but I'm sure initially, especially since the FMC was put in a lot of marketing, it was unsure. I wish I knew where the JP commented on various series because I want to know if the bait&switch caused a lot of angry hetjoshis who dropped the series kek.
>some people think an obvious BL somehow isn’t one just because it’s in non-BL magIt's a whole new marketing angle now, same reason why Sasaki To Miyano's author had the author's agent recommend for her to not to market it as a BL, despite it being incredibly focused on gay romance. So yeah that kind of thinking is outdated.
>>14701I love seeing you transformers fans pop up. And how complicated but that tracks since based on google, the backstory for the Transformers was created by the West even if the actual robots were a pre-existing Japanese toy right? So it's kind of like capeshit. The changing of genders seems like perfect bait for gendies so you have my condolences for how how retarded the fans must get. Do the wiki editors get into slapfights about "canonicty" too?
No.14703
>>14702>Do the wiki editors get into slapfights about "canonicty" too?Wiki is run by the least funny straight boomers alive. They make fun of Japanese culture more than they do fans of the series. I have made these men upset in person because they think I consume their show wrong (actually analyzing the character intent.)
TF fandom is more diverse than a Canadian middle school.
You got
G1 fans who are also white and 40
Fujos (NA)
Fujos (China)
Tiktok kids (edit fans)
Tiktok kids (shippers and NOT actually the same as the fujos of either country)
Bayverse fans (male)
Bayverse fans (autistic)
Bayverse fans (has only seen clips online)
And this is not getting into the comics, or anime, or manga.
No.14704
>>14703>countrySorry Canada I meant USA in my head. Oh god my USAmerica is showing I'm sorry
No.14705
>>14695Bravern for example. The IDW Transformer comics, though it doesn't really have one specific MC. Probably Himitsu too. I actually thought that the latter was a yaoi because it seemed and looked like one, but it is usually not tagged as such AFAIK. Anyway, people that care about tags like the ones mentioned are retarded. Double retarded if it's an original anime. Where should some rando on MAL even know how the series will end to tag it?
I hate this zoomer mentality that needs others to tell them what to watch and what the expect and I blame them for why seasonal anime threads are so dead nowadays. Nobody enjoys surprises anymore or watches anything that isn't their super specific fetish niche. The majority wants to be fed and they only listen if some shitty youtuber tells them to "binge" a series and spoiler the content otherwise they don't even that a series exists. That aside, the TTGL romance that anons talked about involves the MC and it's still not tagged as romance. Such tags are unnecessary unless the romance is in the focus otherwise almost everything would be tagged with it.
No.14706
>>14703Oh yeah and the worst is that all these types of fans intermingle and many of them aren't capable of understanding the concept of a new universe, so they use Bayverse canon to argue about plot points in TF Animated or something.
Though the good thing about boomers and male haters is that eventually shut up if a newer series is too gay or has too much decent character writing (they only want pew pew and one-liners). Who personally annoys me the most are the clip/meme/edit fans that talk about shit they don't know anything about (actually a huge problem in most modern fandoms, but TF in particular) and the continuity soup fic writers. I am too autistic for that. And if I love a story and world I don't want it to be mixed up with other worlds, so I will never be able to get into the popular ships like Jazz/Prowl despite loving Prowl, simply because they all ship the comicbook Prowl with the G1 or Animated Jazz.
tbh I am slightly annoyed how even some of my friends are telling me that like series based on outtakes and memes of it as that was the same as actually watching or reading something. I feel like so many people have lost the ability to focus that they prefer to watch tiktok summaries or skim over 4chan discussions threads.
No.14707
>>14705>IDW TransformersEach story kind of had its own MC but there were so many going on at once, you could honestly just say Optimus, Hot Rod, Bumblebee and Starscream. Prowl and Springer have the Wreckers but even then. The writers were fighting for their favorites so you got this weird mish mash where the antagonists feel more like the Mcs depending on the issue. Verity is the MC for like 4 of them until it's back to someone else. Marvel does that too. Pic related.
As for seasonal series, I think a certain youtuber who does seasonal reviews has poisoned watching anime in the west to the point if he doesn't mention it, it will not be seen. And all he likes is romance, isekai, tsundere focused romance and isekai.
He's also a fucking anti so if a show is actually interesting, just problematic in a way that he doesn't like, it's going to get flamed. He glazed pedo MC's isekai but wants to act like incest is too much to talk about. I get there being too much to talk about, but all his videos are just shounen, something flashy, romance, lame "realistic" romance that isn't really realistic the tone is just muted, and more lukewarm IQ garbage. I can never remember his username, I'll end up trying gguk and gigguk until it works.
>>14706The fans being so diverse is a problem for discussion outside of a curated echo chamber. You're stuck with a small group who wont have too varied of an opinion or you end up arguing with a 14 year old who genuinely thinks their yumeship is canon on all the sites for talking at large.
Reddit, is genuinely the worst place online to talk about anything because they treat shipping like, spitting on the writers' hands. So if you so much as make a joke, you'll get downvoted. ie, my goat wouldn't followed by an image of optimus flipping you off or the photoshop expression. I wanted to see more people talk about cyberworld and skybound in a way that acknowledges pairings but also the story. Like Astrotrain's 'love.' I guess I'm just stuck with twitter because I'm not joining a valveplug discord to do it.
No.14710
>>14705>The majority wants to be fed and they only listen if some shitty youtuber tells them to "binge" a series and spoiler the content otherwise they don't even that a series exists.And then, shockingly, the only shows they end up ever hearing about are shock schlock waifu of the month shit. They immediately throw their hands in the air about how nothing good is made anymore and that there's no point in even trying, even though they didn't do shit to begin with.
No.14713
>>14695No. 6
>>14682>Do they really need MAL to tell them whether a series is gay or straight?Yes, because I don't want to waste time on watching trash that doesn't cater to my interests. Bet you would be singing a different tune if the 'futa' and 'magical sex shift' tags didn't exist and you stumbled upon something like Oniichan wa Oshimai.
>>14705>Anyway, people that care about tags like the ones mentioned are retarded. Double retarded if it's an original anime. Where should some rando on MAL even know how the series will end to tag it? Heavens forbid people watch shows to completion before tagging them! If there was romance, but it ended in one of the main characters dying, should the work not be tagged as 'tragedy'? Or if the show was all-ages, but included gratuitous sex scenes in the last couple of episode should it not be tagged as 'erotica'? What do you even use tags for, if you use them at all?
No.14714
>>14707>giggukIs he not the one openly into lolis? Incest is where he draws the line? At this point I cheer just finding any anituber who is even neutral about the existence of anime incest.
No.14715
>>14714I remember years ago when I watched his videos for a bit that he glazed Eromanga Sensei with the whole "anime is trash and so am I" bit.
No.14716
>>14714Which is interesting because I feel like incest/pseudoincest is common in animanga, idk if as common as lolisho characters but still a frequent punchline.
No.14718
>>14713Maybe I'm just too woke but I don't really see the issue with a show/manga containing a gay romance despite not being specifically tagged as yaoi/yuri. I get it if romance is the main focus of the series or if it contains sex scenes that it might be a turn-off but at the end of the day I don't see it as a dealbreaker.
No.14719
>>14718Yeah same. I mean western series aren't tagged that way either, are they? I surely didn't expect a doomed gay romance when I started Severance but here I am. There are two ways of tagging IMO. One is the autistic one that danbooru/tvtropes use, to search for very specific preferences and find every work containing it, regardless of how relevant it is. And then there are the normal tags which is what MAL, imbd and the likes use which are about the genre and demographic. Nobody tags something as gay, self-cest or age-gap if these things didn't play the central role in the story.
>>14713>but it ended in one of the main characters dying, should the work not be tagged as 'tragedy'? Yeah this exactly. Tagging should never include spoilers. Same as the MC's death at the end the BL tag is only used if a series is openly BL from the start (and only if it's about the MCs), so all that hoping and coping het fags do because a series doesn't scream GAY in the first seconds is kinda retarded.
Imagine arguing with someone who believed that the team/fake MCs from ep. 01 of Ga-Rei-Zero will return because the series wasn't tagged as "major character death (multiple)", meaning that they aren't actually death because the tags don't say so. I blame tumblr's trigger warning brainrot for this.
No.14723
>>14653Sorry for the late reply, I agree with almost all your points and the sentient blocks gave me a good chuckle, but I have to speak up on villainess media. I keep seeing people spit villainess out just because it's gotten common these days but villainess media is about subversion. If you look at the most popular villainess titles they all involve neutralizing the villainess's fate by making her -friends- with the heroine and/or the heroine's female friends. At least three go as far as having the heroine fall for the villainess. I've found myself enjoying a number because they've been good at treating female characters well and giving them personalities and plot purposes outside of pairing up with boys (though that's still a recurring theme given most are dating sim parodies, they do put emphasis on there being better match ups than any boy and any girl). Saint series I would argue are more biased towards all male casts and inexplicably hateful female rivals, they still play out a conventional villain/ess formula to make the good girl saint look like an underdog. I would even say that holy maiden/saint media can be the female audience equivalent to men's abandoned from the hero's party type stories. They are usually about a girl who has been overlooked and underappreciated and is then rewarded for her diligence and cheat skills through some miraculous good fortune allowing her to show others up. Those types of story tend to set their scenes using convenient bullies and discrimination.
No.14728
>>14713>Heavens forbid people watch shows to completion before tagging them!Nona, forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you, but I think they meant tagging before the show finishes airing. With anime originals random MAL users won't know how it ends until the ending airs. They suggest seasonal discussion is dying because people are upset by a lack of foreknowledge, as though unexpected events in an animated TV show are a huge grievance. Not knowing where you're headed is the central appeal of watching an original weekly, it's been the appeal of serialized stories for centuries. The tiktok generation takes media so seriously they ironically demand higher levels of control over what they consume to the point of being repulsed by uncertainty.
No.14735
I just thought back to how both Welcome to night vale and The magnus protocol have a gay romance that I just felt absolutely nothing for. I'm trying to analyze this and maybe the podcast format makes me associate these characters too much with their real actors and it turns me off cause it gets too close to RPF even though they're obviously playing characters.
No.14737
>>14735did you mean the magnus archives? I never bothered with the magnus protocol because of the protag troon and his grating voice. but yeah, I didn't like John/Martin much either. I think it's the kind of fluffy feel good representation that is appealing to normies who are offended by everything. also yeah, the voice actors are ugly irl and I can't look past that (or the fandom makes them ugly/uglier by making John some ugly hairy Indian guy and Martin obese). I feel like John really wanted the woke brownie points for a gay end couple but the idea of seeing yaoi content of it freaked him out so they made sure to throw in the "John is asexual" thing.
No.14738
>>14737Yeah my bad. I meant Archives. I haven't started protocol yet but I dunno if I want to at this point.
>I think it's the kind of fluffy feel good representation that is appealing to normies who are offended by everything>so they made sure to throw in the "John is asexual" thing.Those are good points too. The asexual thing in particular feels like such a copout to me. Even though there's canonically some conflict between them in the end it does feel like a tame western ~representation~ sort of relationship.
No.14742
>>14737>the fandom makes them ugly/uglierI’ve never listened to it before but were they never actually described like that?
No.14743
>>14742in s1 when Martin encounters Jane Prentiss for the first time and gives a statement he says he's not a small guy, which could also mean that he's just a bit overweight or maybe very tall. aside from that we never get any descriptions of their appearances. it's just weird that the fandom then chooses to go for the ugliest options possible instead of just headcanoning them as at least somewhat handsome.
No.14745
Funny how yumetards and incel ai hetsloppers were making big drama whereas fujos just minding their business.
Usually incel hetsloppers make ntr and femdom shitty art, some of them made with ai.
No.14746
>>14745I've seen more yumes hating on fujos than the reverse, they really live in their heads rent free. Also the vast majority of hetslop art made by incels is ai nowadays because they're just that lazy and untalented, even the shit they draw by hand sucks.
No.14747
>>14746I can't stand how selfish, delulu yumetards are, they even fight over same boring bland male character, non-sharing are the biggest delulu.
Sucks how seeing fem charas made in aislop by pervy, betacuck simps with femdom fetish (some deranged lesbos too.) made me almost hate the fem chara. Her fans are incels and femcels, not to mention those incels/femcels shat on other fem charas.
I'm glad fujos are more sensible & not wasting time arguing with yume/yuritards & hetsloppers.
No.14754
>>14747I don't know how nonsharers aren't shat on more, I actually get happy seeing other women who share the same husbando as me. You have to be really mentally ill and insecure to shit yourself over other people having the same husbando or even seeing him getting shipped with other characters. It's even worse when said character is super popular because what are you gonna do if it's someone like gojo kek
No.14758
>Draw smut of your favourite m/m couple because I love both characters and the ship
>People comment on how hot the top is, how down bad they are for him and how much they wished they could switch places with the bottom character
I do not GIVE A SHIT. The bottom is there for a reason! They're a package deal! This isn't made for your self insertion fantasies! Stop fucking commenting cringe shit like this! This makes me go on such an embarrassingly autistic fit of rage it takes all my willpower not to go on a blocking spree and scream at people not to interact unless they're into the ship kek
No.14764
>>14758Free yourself and block them nonna. Curate your fujo space
No.14766
Kinda funny when a person who projects onto a canon LI with 5 seconds of screen time has the audacity to complain about m/m shippers not making Male A "show emotions" when A canonically keeps his emotions extremely close to his chest & literally denied/hated being human (and thus weak & vulnerable) so much he split his being into two to preserve himself (and in his POV loose his weakness). Sorry to adhere to canon I guess.
No.14774
>>14766I think an important thing to remember is that like, a solid half of fans don't actually watch/read the thing they're 'fans' of these days. They probably don't even know canon.
No.14779
>>14774That's true, but I find this particularly baffling with husbandofags (mentally I'm including those who deny being one under the guise of "I just like this ship" and the ship in question has no screen time as well as the other half of the ship having none as well). How are you going to stand on a leg against misogynistic fetishistic fujos, especially ones who like incest, when you fundamentally misunderstand the character involved? I guess I'll be more specific this person complaining said fujos don't make Male A "feel emotions" when the period of time he got with the LI (mind you we have nothing besides the word of the English VA that said relationship had emotional depth, that's how little we know about this relationship lmao it was basically written just to make Male A have a kid) was before he learned he was stronger with his humanity/human side intact, so he was still denying it & trying to distance himself from it & had that typical arrogance of youth about him as he was trying to obtain a massive amount of power. How are you going to argue that's a period of time when he would've been willingly vulnerable in front of a stranger? I would say nearly every character in this series (besides like one female character) is emotionally constipated in general so that is a very odd complaint. But yeah you're right they don't care about canon they just want to make their generic sexualized idea of this female character and act like feminists. This applies to fujos too but at least the ones who critique other people's characterization are ones who can back up their claims lmao (also now that I think about it plenty of fujos do make male A openly express emotions, so this complaint just seems even more stupider to me the more I think about it????)
No.14780
>>14758I'm the exact same kek I'm glad I'm not alone in this type of sperging. Unfortunately though, I genuinely don't want to write any smut between my ship because I don't want to give content to the topfags. In my fandom it is that bad that people don't care about 90% of the cast, they just want to see the popular guy (which unfortunately I do like too) fuck anyone.
No.14784
>>14779anon just mention the fandom/characters, this whole "character A" bs is confusing.
No.14785
I'm really tired of keeping my tumblr fujo friends around. I don't get it. So it's not the noncon itself but it's TOO much noncon and now that makes it weird? I don't care how morally good you think callout moralfag culture is. Take your double edged sword that gets used as a fujo bludgeon at least more than half the time and fuck off oh my god who cares if a fic writer writes too much noncon and not enough fluff? Stop complaining about antis in the fandom if this is how you're going to act ahhh I'm going insane
No.14790
>>14638>the group of women I've hated from BIRTH until now>pfp of some underage child holding the lesbian flagI am always shocked at how the people who claim to be the most empathetical and loving of women, freely say the word "hate" and women so easily, almost as if they are projecting and they are using political lesbianism to cover up for their massive misogyny issues
No.14791
>>14790>almost as if they are projecting and they are using political lesbianism to cover up for their massive misogyny issuesYeah that is exactly what they're doing, falsely slapping the lesbian/"sapphic" label onto themselves so that they can call other women bitches and bash them for not sharing the same tastes and line of thought.
No.14792
>>14677a moid that talks shit about Zoro??? You should've gotten a lotto ticket because thats rare.
No.14794
>>14774Is this… really a thing? Seriously? Like I'm not too terribly shocked given the current state of everything, fandom included, but I'm just trying to fathom how that works. Do they just consume short-form ~content~ and that's it? If you've seen this behavior out in the wild (which I'm sure many of you have), I'd love to hear horror stories.
I just don't get it, discovering new media either because I saw fan art, or trying something new and then acquiring a new ship is one of my favorite things about being a fujo. I've discovered so many great pieces of media that are excellent on their own, regardless of shipping, because I've either a) heard there was a ship in there, or b) because I feel like I could potentially ship something.
No.14795
>>14794Not that nonna but yeah. It's not even a zoomer only thing, a bunch of friends of my age (30+) do it too. They didn't even do it in the past. It's honestly unironically socmedia and youtube I think. Some can watch a 2h long boring as shit "opinion piece" on youtube but they say they couldn't focus on a 20 min. long anime episode.
I also fear that outtakes on youtube and tiktok, wikia summaries and discord posting made everybody feel like watching or reading a series. I never understood the point but these people (especially if it's zoomers) genuinely think that listening to a summary was the same experience as engaging with a series because PLOT and memes.
I wouldn't mind too much if these people at least stayed the fuck away from discussions and fan spaces then but no. They engage in that because they're addicted to stupid fun posting or they go to /a/ to shit on a series they never watched. I fucking hate it. Maybe I am too pessimistic but I see so many people who follow series that way that I believe it's the majority by now.
Nobody plays single-player games either anymore. It's maybe not as bad since I guess they have all the context when they watch full let's plays but I don't understand it either. The whole mentality I mean. The wish to learn about a series but refuse to read, play or actually watch it despite liking it.
Maybe they want space to project? If you only half-know a series you can fill the holes with own projections of shit they desire. Maybe it's that. No idea. For others it's just the desire to be up-to-date and roleplay fan behavior to fit in.
No.14796
>>14794>Do they just consume short-form ~content~yes. a lot of newgens just watch tiktok videos of characters "aura farming" with "cool" music in the back and that's how they form their opinions on characters. it's also why they often think the characters in question talk like quirky twitter posts and that in turn leads to the rise in even more horribly ooc chatfic. but like
>>14795 said, it's not just zoomers who don't interact with source material. i'm 34 and have been writing rp for over 20 years. there's always been a handful of people on the (non english) site i'm on that just happen to be into every fandom imaginable but their portrayal of characters was always insanely ooc or followed the same patterns with every character even though it didn't even fit. i eventually found out that most of them maybe watch the 1st episode of an anime or a few chapters of the manga and then get the rest of their "information" from fanart they see on pinterest or fandom posts on twitter/tumblr. this was years ago so i'm guessing they have also started to include tiktok videos.
>>14795>The wish to learn about a series but refuse to read, play or actually watch it despite liking it. this reminds me of this massive outcry in the resident evil fandom a while ago when it turned out that a bunch of younger, apparently exclusively female fans who are incredibly loud about their gripes with the games actually haven't played the games at all. they just read leon x reader fanfic, watch leon thirst trap videos and chat with leon chatbots on janitor.ai and that's how they form their "resident evil fan" identity. and when called out they claimed that the games are boring and they can't even watch a let's play of them because - get this - it's just so boring to them. i know zoomers accuse everyone of being performative and larping, but neither of these terms have the judgmental air of "fake fan" that we used to hurl at people during the 2000s. bring back calling people fake fans!!
No.14797
>>14794>If you've seen this behavior out in the wild (which I'm sure many of you have), I'd love to hear horror stories.I apologize because I already posted it somewhere, but:
>twitter fan who is absolutely obsessed with evil squad from a Transformer series (they're cool but think of Sturmabteilung or ISIS)>talks about headcanons every day, mostly mundane shit>avatar, art etc. all she has depicts them as cute chibis, especially her favorite. I don't think much of itFast forward three years or so
>she suddenly screeches about being spoiled after a commenter of her art says something everybody should know>big "??" over my head, observe her closer out of curiosity>turns out she never engaged with that story she's such a fan of for ages>eventually decides to finally read it>realises she hates it She deleted her whole account a day later.
I crazy how a series about war with gore, dark themes and mentally broken killers can possibly perceived as cute fluff to people who only engage with it through funny discord memes. Maybe we should post more spoilers in fandoms to force these types of fans to either interact with the story they believe to love or go lmao
No.14798
>>14797I'm surprised she deleted her account instead of doubling down on blorbos. She might even have learned from this!
No.14800
>>14799why do these fuckers not stick to movies and tv fandoms where all you have to do is hit play and watch? why ruin games?
No.14801
>>14796>yes. a lot of newgens just watch tiktok videos of characters "aura farming" with "cool" music It's the worst because Transformers is famous for re-using names with unrelated characters for copyright. There's videos of 'same character' when they're not. The Bay movies have their own universe with interpretations of characters so far removed that it's only the name. But someone who's never seen more than a youtube clip (and you know because it'll have a channel logo or youtube audio errors) will put Sideswipe and Sideswipe in the same video.
The wiki doesn't help because they mix continuities and give outright wrong info about every character. But no one has made a continuity accurate wiki ever.
No.14802
>>14797>evil squad from a Transformer seriesI wonder if it were Seekers or Combaticons.
Starscream and that specific team get babyfied thanks to the comics and people just watch an endless sludgefest of edits to doja and the weekend. Surprise. Starscream wants to kill people because he genuinely likes doing it and the Combaticons are all a different variant of insane.
I'd post a comic panel but I think it'd actually break board rules. So have this instead.
No.14803
>>14800Unfortunately, because game fandoms are more active and more creative. If it's a currently active franchise or a live service game, you'll never run out of content vs a movie or a tv show that will inevitably end, and while some people may stick with it for a while, they'll eventually move on. The same can be said for some single player games too unless they are constantly being relevant in various ways.
No.14805
>>14803It's beginning to look like unless a series is outright spiteful to western sensibilities or women, this will happen.
I remember when Golden Kamuy was airing, and despite it's massive homo pandering, it never caught on with westerners. Omnimusha and a lot of difficulty heavy games with predominantly male casts are hitting the same. It's got all the ingredients but will not appeal to the west and will stay off the tiktok radar
No.14806
>>14802It was probably the DJD
No.14807
>>14806Gestapo Command
Cannibal
Vore death
Lobotomy Dog
The dog's owner
SAW II
And Dr. Giggles
Sounds about right if you only got your lore from youtube shorts.
No.14809
>>14799Dear god please don't let this become a trend. What's next, novels and tv series ending with short summaries of the chapters/episodes so that people with reading and attention issues can just follow those instead?
>>14802What
>>14806 said kek. The avatar and obsession was about Kaon in particular and I met that user because my very first fanart for Transformers was Kaon as well kek. These guys and specially their yandere leader are fun villains and I enjoy cute stuff too when it's funny but it's hard to imagine that you could google these dudes without being aware of what they are.
But you are completely right about Starscream regardless. Such a great character and so massacred by a large part of the fandom who only watch some outtakes in which Megatron punches that guy to project the battered wife imagine into him. Starscream is probably even more evil than Megs himself since he does it for narcissist self-love whereas Megs is often just obsessed with resentment. Doesn't make him better either, but Starscream is more self-centered and that make him so enjoyable to watch.
No.14810
>>14807>Sounds about right if you only got your lore from youtube shorts.We need to start calling people posers again.
No.14811
>>14810Larp needs to fade into obscurity first. Because posers is the most definite word.
>>14809>Megatron punches that guy to project the battered wifeI would argue Prime started this and IDW cemented it. By later IDW he's gone from gleefully killing people to lying in bed at night pining for Bumblebee
No.14813
>>14800They see nerds having fun and talking to each other based on a shared interest, they want to barge in, but don't want to put in any effort to play video games because it's an interactive medium. It's all fomo.
No.14814
>>14805Golden Kamuy is such a weird case because it's so aggressively homo and contains so many varied dudes and most of them are broken or menhera on top of it or yanhomo and yet no westerner seems to read or watch it and instead complains when turbo heterosexual shounen like Dandadan turn out to be not gay. But even when friends ask for gay recs they never listen to me and watch it. Same with Bravern btw which is also gay as hell and openly so and even makes the love to MC a central plot point, but nah. Completely under the radar of the west for some reason.
I mean by I guess it's a good thing. But still. I would love to have more people to talk about such series sometimes.
>>14807It's kinda tragic because besides all the horrors they commit there is so much more about them and Tarn in particular that I love to see fans explore. There are so many implications made with the whole Damus->Glitch->Tarn deal, his love for classic music, his power that might have caused the empurata sentence, his body change and implied body hate, the fact that he has the same shape as Roller, a guy he once looked up to, his obsessive love for Megs who never acknowledged him because he's the monster he created and so on.
And then there are people who claim that you won't miss anything if you watch tiktok summaries instead of reading the original and obsess over and interpret every single panel and word, like a real fujo does.
No.14815
>>14814IMO Bravern wasn't a particularly interesting sandbox and GK is so objectively good/airtight it's hard for brainworms to find an opening. All the stuff that gets a big, active fandom is mid with an appealing sandbox.
Also let's not pretend some of the insane eyebrows in GK (and now Dogsred) are easy to look past, lol.
No.14816
>>14802>>14811Yeah Prime was what attracted these fans. Though Cyberverse was where I realised they weren't watching the shows. They got so mad it turned into half of a flame war because there was a scene in that series where Megatron is seriously beating Starscream up and it looks kinds brutal. But right before Starscream almost killed him, burned him alive, made a coup, hurt Soundwave and did a bunch of other shit. The punching was just Megatron's retribution after surviving. Megs is also quite different from the genocidal Megatron in IDW or Bay and such. They aren't the same characters but those fans don't get it.
They only saw the beating scene and boycotted the series because they equal a cartoon villain who beats up another villain after almost killing him to actual real life abuse.
Whether a series is garbage or the best shit ever is decided by some youtubers or mere tiktok memes and once such people have formed an opinion nothing will ever change it because they refuse to interact directly with creative works for some reason.
No.14817
>>14814>Damus->GlitchI blame the comic's pacing for this one. JRO wanted to go more into it, but what makes it genuinely the worst is how there's the potential that Roller would have been Tarn but they did a last minute change so readers wouldn't have predicted it. Like hahaha you idiots thought you knew!
That said.
As a massive Tarn fan, I hate that I cannot engage with almost any fan work because they see him as a sexy yandere and not someone who genuinely hates himself as much as he hates other people. He's a fanatic in the same way a cultist is. Cults aren't fun or sexy. They can be in fiction of course, but he comes off as the not fun kind.
No.14819
>>14816>They only saw the beating scene and boycotted the series because they equal a cartoon villain who beats up another villain after almost killing him to actual real life abuse. The scene got me to watch that full series and I hate it. Because of the tone. It's too kiddy to be for older teens, but too violent to be for kids. With the worst voice acting in anything TF related since the Omnidubs and that one PS1 game. But the writing studio that made it also did Combiner Wars, Netflix and Earthspark. You can kind of feel the IDW, mischaracterization in just about every single one of the cast and it gets worse when they're consumed through summaries, reactions and 15 second amvs
No.14822
>>14817tbh while the reasoning is stupid I was always a fan of Tarn being Glitch instead of Roller, because it explains his insecurities so much better. He was just the little socially awkward weak rando without a face whom Orion barely acknowledged who wanted to become the big scary man and the first time we see him post-transformation is when he successfully traumatized and mindbroke his former comrade Skids.
Anyway TF is especially prone to the socmedia misinterpreation bullshit because most fans don't even understand it's different series. I feel like most got into the fandom with Prime and get mad when characters with the same name as Prime characters act differently in a different series because they don't get they're different characters and digesting ever fandom through video essays and discord jokes doesn't really help.
>>14819The childishness is honestly the issue I have with almost all cartoons so far, especially those that feature humans. I can only stomach the ones without kids because at least there are no loud american teenagers that I am supposed to selfinsert into.
No.14823
>>14817I think JRo's issue is that he cannot take any criticism well, and it absolutely wrecks his writing. when fans sided against Megatron in MTMTE, he threw such a giant fit that he trainwrecked his other established characters (Getaway, mostly) in a 'see, but the other side is worst!' move. Ignoring that he wrote the most evil version of Megatron to date. And, like you said, people theorized that Roller had become Tarn, which was probably the plan, but Shocking Twist outweighs good writing and foreshadowing.
Tarn is great, but holy shit can nobody write him correctly.
>>14822>Anyway TF is especially prone to the socmedia misinterpreation bullshit because most fans don't even understand it's different seriesThis has always been an issue (sensitive turncoat Armada!Starscream usurping evil bitchy G1!Starscream's personality for a while in the 'oughts), but it's only gotten worse since then.
No.14825
I believe that the whole lesbians/tranny deal and most other stuff nonnas get mad about are actual consequences of people not engaging with source material. They get their infos from fanworks that might actually be themselves just derivatives of other fanworks all of people who never interacted with the original series and what is eventually left is selfinsert bullshit with manga samurai who turn into genderfluid anxiety bags.
No.14826
>>14814>and yet no westerner seems to read or watch it I've seen this said so many times and I can only assume everyone means Americans because in European fandom there's shitloads of Golden Kamuy fans, I can't open discord without seeing someone using Ogata or Tsukishima as their pfp. I swear the whole of Finland must have read it.
No.14827
>>14826Most GK fans I've encountered in the West were Aidens in their teens or early 20s, so it makes sense to me that the nonas here rarely see people talk about it if they avoid those circles.
No.14828
>>14799This is so depressing. The quote from the screenshot you posted also highlights another issue I've noticed: people not staying in one fandom for very long/not being able to concentrate on one interest for more than a month because attention spans are fried/more and more shit is being pumped out to cater to the lowest common denominator fans that just want flavor-of-the-week slop so the market is oversaturated.
I'm really struggling with fatalism when it comes to fandom engagement. I used to love sharing fanworks, and I still create for myself, but I feel like there's no incentive to share things publicly because part of the enjoyment for me was forming friendships and fujoing out for extended periods of time. Because I tend to gravitate toward small fandoms/rarepairs, there's a smaller pool of people for me to engage with, and now with how fucked everything is that pool feels even smaller. Add in avoiding gendie/moralfagging shit and there's practically no one left. I try to tell myself that there's probably fujos who'd silently enjoy what I make but it's so disheartening.
No.14829
>>14800they can't even watch movies or tv properly that's the thing lol
>why ruin gamesas another nona>>14796
perfectly pointed out with the resident evil Leon thing, they wanna "join" a fandom without necessary knowing everything or being gatekept, a similiar thing happened with BL, starting with tumblr and the influx of non fujos joining in bl without actually being fujo at all just a yume that wanted to fit in, these people completely destroyed the hobby because it doesn't appeal enough to them.
It's funny how this is a cross media problem.
No.14830
>>14828I stumbled across this old forum for a fandom I like, and man, was it just a different culture. It's tragic what's happened to fandom over the years. I don't know if it can ever be fixed. I still see sparks of how it used to be, and it's all the more tragic for it.
No.14839
>>14837it's all newgens who came from LADs pushing this attitude. They act so high and mighty when the only reason their game bans BL is because the Chinese government literally made it illegal (and they still advertise the game on BL sites kek). If China ever loosens their homosexuality laws, they'll commit mass suicide because all the companies will jump to grab a piece of the fujo market they were denied and fill their games with bait.
No.14841
>>14837I think one bl gacha got posed but it cane back in another form? Tbh I don't think there's enough bl games to begin with for there to be a trend of flopping, everything seems to do at least pretty okay.
No.14845
>>14837>Side note, I keep seeing hetjoshis / yumes online saying fujos don't pay up and we've had several of our games declare EOS? Can someone give any examples bc I don't really play fujo gamesAnecdotal assumption: in my 20 years' worth of being a fujo online I've noticed a good amount of us are just the m/m shipping kind and not also the "regularly enjoys original BL, especially enough to pay for it" kind. I can't speak for every fujo, but no original BL has ever beaten anything in my OTP mind palace and I don't think it ever will. How do you sell a jug of milk to somebody who milks their own cow?
Meanwhile hetfags/otome players don't often have the "free/fandom" option, so if you do make something to their taste they are much more likely to buy it.
Also I agree with
>>14841 in that the sample size of live service BL games is way too small to draw any conclusions from.
No.14847
>>14845>Meanwhile hetfags/otome players don't often have the "free/fandom" optionYes they do. That's just a them problem not being creative or passionate enough to get the cow from the pasture and milk it
No.14848
>>14837There is no way she unironically typed this out kek. Lads fans not even once.
No.14850
>>14847They get lame canon milk from cows fed with inferior grass.
No.14851
>>14850They don’t even know how to milk canon het content for themselves.
No.14852
>>14850And yet they refuse to give them organic grass powered by fervor and imagination, which is completely free and fair-traded. That is their problem! Instead they stare with burning envy at the fujo farms and their fat cows and their bulls getting milked by other bulls.
No.14853
>>14852>their bulls getting milked by other bulls.TOPKEK
No.14856
>>14849Name? I kinda wanna check this out now
No.14857
>>14799> Playing FF7R for the plot> using a squeenix game to cry about consoomersLol, lmao even.
>And today, we’re creating games for that audience.They’re designed with that audience in mind, because it’s just one option. Combat gameplay was one of the few saving graces the two other FF7R had going on for them.
If you look at the credits for Rebirth, most of it was outsourced, and that’s the real problem. 1) Squeenix hasn’t operated as a studio for over a decade. It’s now a glorified publisher that farms their IPs and commissions and oversees development. 2) This "feedback" is telling one thing only: they are not learning and not thinking the problem comes from their writing/bad game design choices. “It’s too hard / it takes too long, here’s have a cheatcode if you're tired of our game,” is about the only thing they are willing to adress.
No.14862
I wonder what it is about fujoshi that gets everyone up in arms. We're just chilling enjoying our ships and having fun and everyone finds a way to blame us for all their lack in their fandoms kek.
Whatever its fun in this little corner.
No.14863
>>14862I think some of it is jealousy. People lament how "unfair" it is that m/m "gets" all the fanfiction. People too lazy to write their own wish they had fujo passion.
No.14864
>>14863its funny how they look at fanfics from a strictly numberfagging POV and not just something they do out of genuine love for their favorite pairing/media. I swear yurifags were chiller 15 years ago until performative gen Z lesbians started feeling insecure for whatever reason.
No.14865
>>14625All this hate against feminine uke is making me mad. You hate him for being petite? Submissive? Pretty? Well guess what you nailed it, that's called babyfication and women have been depicted that wat forever without judgement because there are creepy, predatory men. So it's only right there's a media men are also extremely fetishized.
No.14867
>>14866Yessss make them whimpering sluts
No.14870
>>14869This is depressing, like pushing fujos out of internet. What will remain of the social media I wonder?
No.14872
>>14871Saaame. I thought that I wouldn't be bothered by it until I played the game and now I am just trying not to be negative or think too much about it. I am really curious on whether this game is going to be more popular than 3H or has a prominent fujo fandom presence in the future though. Feels like I barely see any fan content of it unless I look for it intentionally.
No.14873
>>14872seems like the game might have flopped given its on a brand new system most people don't really own yet. Had it released on the switch and switch 2 it'd be doing better.
I remember when 3 houses first came out and you couldn't avoid it.
No.14874
>>14862I think I know
>Fujoshi constantly 'undervalue' or 'twist' male characters - male friendships into being gay or romantically involved. This upsets the average male otaku because they don't want to find gayshit of the character they find cool. The same can apply to a yume or a 'normal fan' who doesn't want to see 'gay things'. >There's always a constant stigma around M/M romances compared to F/F or F/M be it canon or non-canon, people are more willing to accept fetishized F/F even in mainstream media but never M/M for whatever reason. So seeing M/M is considered more 'abnormal' or 'disgusting', or they bring the 'you're just fetishizing it' to discredit it and hide their disgust for it>Fujoshi are BIG in numbers and once fujoshi get a hold of a franchise or a character, you will keep seeing ship art or 'gay' art of those characters / franchise. They will always vastly outnumber yumes or hetfags. They make all the fics, all the doujins, fan merch, fan videos, etc. Fujoshi are very resourceful.>Majority of fujos are actually very talented and dedicated. Even when they aren't drawing ship art, they can be professional artists or have high positions at companies or simply have lots of popularity as a fandom writer/fanartist as opposed to a yume or hetfag who are always inherently niche. There is not a single "ultra popular yume fanartist everyone knows" but there are plenty examples of illustrators that are amazing and well known and are turbo fujos on the side (like my pic related, artist Rei, very well known for gorgeous illustrations and also making tons of polnareff porn). There's also starshadowmagic, liduke, etc.>Companies know that fujoshi are the ones that make or break a fandom and therefore whether merch of their property even sells, they will deliberately pander to them subliminally in character interactions or even character designs. This upsets 'normal fans' because they'd immediately clock some characters as 'fujobait'>Fujos express their sexuality somewhat openly through M/M works and aren't afraid of exploring taboo topics or more 'problematic' dynamics like incest or shota. Not that there aren't waifufags or yumes that are similar, but because fujos are bigger in number, it's more noticeable that say, a father/son incest pairing is more popular due to the work of fujoshi than it'd be because of yumesSo tldr; most likely jealousy around women who are able to express their love for something even if it was something silly like a M/M pair when you "should" be "normal" liking het stuff or subliminally keep being complacent to men
No.14876
>>14875>cuteiful heroineIdgi wouldn’t they prefer a more plain heroine for self-insert purposes?
No.14877
>>14876My guess is that these women are self-conscious and feel pressured to abide by male standards, so if the heroine isn't pretty/titillating enough then she isn't worthy of the hot guy. You also have moid editors hijacking these manga and forcing the authors to make them more appealing to men hence why the fls tend to be hypersexualized, and we all know how bad it is in japan especially with their beauty standards and misogyny.
No.14878
>>14876That's more of a male thing, no? Women always tend to dress themselves up and make themselves super cute or pretty when it comes to self-insert OCs and in-game character creation.
No.14879
>>14876otome fans love beautiful and stylish kind-hearted heroines
No.14880
>>14878Men seem to like the lowest common denominator of a character so they can project themselves over it, whereas women seem to want the glamour fantasy. I think this also explains Mary Sues.
No.14881
>>14880>I think this also explains Mary Sues.Did you miss the last multiple decades of fandom drama surrounding them or were you not alive for them.
No.14882
>>14876I mean OP said she's a lolicon so maybe she self inserts as that?
No.14884
>>14875>tall fag gigachad with huge hands grabbing her by the chinI love how its literally just the same cover as most old school bl and these people are acting so mighty and highty loool
No.14885
>>14876Usually, the self insert has to be either beautiful or, even if she has a plain design, she has to be treated as if she is popular in the universe and all male characters fall for her.
No.14887
Isn't yaoi mainly drawn porn for women? If porn is a 'necessity' then why should women pander and pacify antis to sacrifice this part of her sexuality?
No.14888
>>14887Good point, but using their own retard logic against them never works. They've always got an exception and an excuse lined up.
No.14889
>>14625When I see fujos at concerts being 'fugly' I actually feel happy because finally these women have externalized their pleasure from patriarchal validation onto their interests instead.More women should be fugly. More women shouldn't give a fuck. Because the other pipeline is caving in and trooning out, or simply giving up being a fujoshi- which is giving up yourself.
Both ways you are a depressing reality of a woman who lost her identity.
No.14891
"This whooole fandom sees B as top when I see him as bottom :(((" Yeah that's true for the EN side in recent years, but can you really complain when for the last decade+5 the majority of japanese fanbase always had B as the designated bottom of the ship and there's endless content of that, even today coming out every day, like, you are not starving at all. Ao3 as well has endless fics of B bottom because, it's been a looong time and this is the most popular basic bitch ship of the game…..
No.14893
>>14891some people just want to feel victimized for being soooo unique and having such an acquired taste. I have fellow fujo friends who were stupidly proud of liking old men or enjoying bara but eventually that wasn't considered cool or unique anymore so they quietly stopped bragging about liking this stuff. like more power to you if you genuinely enjoy this stuff but acting like you are so unique and maybe even just pretending to like it to be nlof (not like other fujos) is cringe. personally I always like to see my favorite character bottom, even when the fandom prefers him as a top, but I'm a bit self conscious about that since people often assume that you as a fujo project on the bottom or something. but idk I just love seeing my best boy get absolutely wrecked by another guy… especially because I tend to like snarky/mean characters like tsukishima from hq or felix from fe3h.
No.14895
I hate crackships, especially ones that get extremely popular. I feel conflicted about it because I like that it's a show of creativity and fandom is for fun at the end of the day, but I get pissed off when a crackship overtakes a bunch of canon ships when it has no substance. I'm also a canon shill and prefer canon-compliant stuff so it adds to my annoyance when people completely disregard it. At that point just make OCs. The fact that shit like Jegulus has 28k fics genuinely makes me seethe kek
No.14899
>>14898just tell us what the game is. we're all anonymous here anyway.
No.14900
>>14889I feel like this is about me even though I don't even try to be non-conforming, but that's my problem.
No.14901
>>14898Please write a review in
>>>/ot/7596 No.14902
>>14898Tell me the vn name or I glue your favorite uke's buttcheeks shut
No.14903
>>14901Funny thing is, I was typing out a review of all the available demos, but I felt way too embarrassed to post it on the imageboard where I had initially planned to post it, and I gave up halfway. I was at 900ish words when I quit. Maybe I will try to finish the review
and read that one scene again. Just to make sure I remember the plot that I read earlier this week, of course.>>14899>>14902Doing this for the sake of my favorite uke's buttcheeks.
It's called Unraveling Angel: Coward's Paradise. The main female love interest's design is deeply off-putting, as well as the way she is written, and the two promised male love interests are hideous. Also, there are multiple demos with varying levels of gay shit in them. The Steam demo has the most gay shit, but not the specific scene my post mentioned. Please don't make me regret posting this.
No.14904
>>14898>>14903Steal those characters and make them OCs! That's what I do when the source material fails me or I need more content of a certain ship lol
I also second you posting a review, if you feel comfortable of course
No.14905
>>14876You are right, but she has to be cute and generic as possible, look this is the portrait of the heroine of tokimeki memorial girls side, its literally just a doodle of a cartoon girl, while the male characters have a complete anime portrait.
It's not that different from the faceless male character in hentai vn, with the exception that the girl has a cute ribbon.
Nekopara for example, the main character doesn't even have the main character sprite.
No.14906
>>14893Eww I hate bara or simply drawing any husbandos as hairy fatties. The other day I took a plunge in /Yaoi/ and it's full of bara, I've completely given up on finding any community in 4chan
No.14909
>>14905Tokimeki heroine is a unique case, while the standard eyeless heroine with shoulder length brown hair exists there are also a lot of heroines who are in my opinion designed cuter than all the male LIs and enough people have similar opinions to make it kind of a meme in otome fandom. The outfits are usually pretty if nothing else.
No.14910
>>14907I will never EVER understand how Klance got as huge and cancerous as it did. People to this day swear that it was obvious they were going to get together when it wasn't. I didn't like Sheith either. I hated all the gay ships for that awful reboot.
No.14911
>>14910I'm guessing because gaybait in itself is honestly kinda rare in western cartoons so any male interaction at all looks like a feast. All the big western ships are mostly live-action, the cartoon fujos were probably starving and snapped at the first thing they got in a while (and went crazy in the process).
No.14912
>>14910I find it very interesting that most Klance shippers later turned into yumes and/or kpop stans while Sheith shippers stayed fujos, there has to be some kind of a correlation there.
No.14913
>>14912A lot of Klance shippers wanted to fuck Lance and were just using Keith as a self-insert
No.14914
>>14913Ew. Ladies please love yourselves
>>14911And it wasn't even remotely close to the sort of gaybait you see in anime or manga. Perhaps that's why I was immune to that cancer when it first aired. But I do admit bias as I literally did grow up with the original Voltron so I wasn't rooting for either gay ship. Though I really really lament that Keith and Lotor never met. They could have been a great angst ship
No.14916
>>14913Yeah that's what I figured kek, even during the big drama years of 2017-2018 it was obvious to me that a lot of the "Sheith is a pedo ship" bullshit was because teenage girls were grossed out by an adult gay man and wanted to have their twink ship to be able to date the bishie bad boy. Klance shippers would be the ones to sperg about Valko on LADS today.
No.14917
>>14912interesting, I always thought free and it's ship wars had a hand in some of the craziness of vld too. I didn't care much for rinharu vs. makoharu since the show served us so much delicious fujobait and I loved it all but the lengths to which fencer-x went to make rinharu seem canon…?! I kind of understood why some makoharu fans were crazy neurotic when THE rinharu bnf made wrong translations on purpose just to spite them.
No.14918
Publishing companies where I live are only translating things I don't care about. In terms of BL the only things I'm looking forward to are a few sequels here and there that will probably publishing in one or two years because of how slow BL publications can be. How boring.
>>14869>part of the communityLiterally what community? You can like otome games or BL or both at the same time without being part of a community. Twitter is a social media platform and not a forum, and tagging may as well not exist there as well, so there's no community in there except maybe for a few random people here and there who decide to befriend each other because they have the same hobbies and tastes. You can play dozens of otome games a month and do it by yourself without joining some stupid forum or discord server either. People online need to stop using the words "community" and "fandom" incorrectly all the time, it's getting ridiculous.
No.14923
>>14910I think people just wanted to ship two guys but thought Shiro was too old since they grew up on tumblr where female socialization lashings were frequent.
>>14912Them having a crush on Lance probably also contributed kek, Sheith just is the more traditional fujo ship on top of that so most of the people who shipped it already liked fujo culture.
No.14924
>>14917>some makoharu fans were crazy neurotic when THE rinharu bnf made wrong translations on purpose just to spite themWas it fencer-x, kek? She's still kicking around, she scanlated for Sasaki to Miyano for a while and then someone found out she egregiously mistranslated something from the sister series (Hirano to Kagiura, there's a lot of seethe from StM fans of it so it tracks kek) and all of a sudden she dropped the series. She was also a huge moralfag who fit the stereotype of a StM fan despite her well-documented interest in shit like Sekaichi Hatsukoi (she used to say JJR was wayyyy worse kek).
No.14925
>>14924Wow that takes me back. I remember when she and Audrey/Aitaikimochi seemed to be the biggest names in the tumblr Free! fandom.
No.14926
>>14923>female socialization lashingsthis is such an apt way to put it. i remember when some teenage fujo made a post about why she loved some ship (i think oikawa and kageyama from hq?) and one reason was that she thought about them having sex all the time. which is very… teenage fujo like. let's not pretend that most of us haven't been there, kek. and people, fellow fujos included, tore her to shreds for saying that and claimed that she was gross/sex obsessed. meanwhile i just thought damn girl, you are so right, that ship is hot, of course i'd also be thinking of them fucking all the time.
>>14924fencer-x is like an immortal cockroach, kek. i also find it remarkable that she is "allowed" to write hp fanfic even though jkr is sooo evil and most tumblr fujos are woke TRAs. there was also some drama about 10(+) years ago about her scanlating yaoi manga and blocking japanese IPs so the creators wouldn't find out about the scanlations or something. everyone acted like she was so evil for going behind the sacred nihongese people's backs but at the same time… would THEY want for their fave yaoi to be taken down because of copyright claims??
>>14925audrey always rubbed me the wrong way, ngl. she always seemed like an inauthentic, superficial businesswoman who pretended to be a fangirl so actual fangirls would trust her and buy from her stupid online store.
No.14927
>>14923>Sheith just is the more traditional fujo shipFrom what I saw Klance was getting casted in the standard red/blue shonen rivalship template, so also traditional despite that not really being the canon dynamic between the characters.
>I think people just wanted to ship two guys but thought Shiro was too oldProbably this as well. Even for teens who are not poisoned by age gap discourse most of them probably still care more about the characters closer to their age.
No.14928
>>14927Honestly having watched the first season of VLD recently, I’m not surprised they latched onto red/blue considering there’s hardly any ship bait between any characters except Allurance. I can’t say for the second season and beyond though.
No.14929
>>14926NTA, Audrey pisses me off.
I got into her for awhile back when I was deeper into MHA because she had translations and also just so happened to like all the things I liked. Her OMG VINCENT SQEEEEE fangirling was cringe but genuine.
But then it kept going in a loop and her being a FF14 yumeshipper seemed to take precedence over everything. She's rich too so she can afford every kind of commission she wants to shove it in her audience's faces. Which is annoying.
It's like she's one part e-girl, one part fujo, one part yumeshipper and is trying to present herself as "one of us" as she links you to her import shop.
It certainly seems genuine but then she'll mention her house in California ($$$) while she's streaming in her house in Japan and then posts weekly photos of going to Disney with her celebrity friends. It's so corporate and makes all her "exciting" posts read disingenuous because no shit she thinks the newest statue is awesome she'll get it for free from the directors themselves.
No.14930
>>14926It's so frustrating to me how female dominated spaces still have this "you can't like sex too much" attitude meanwhile in male spaces they can goon to their heart's content. I'm even seeing a revival of this on tumblr where new waves of "fujos are misogynistic because they don't care about female characters" posts keep popping up, and anyone who goes "but I like men and want to goon to men" are told "you should care about more than gooning". Of course they say this to women and don't bother male hentai fans
No.14932
As a millennial fujo, seeing the fujo-yume-het wars develop in real time is wild because growing up tbh all the young fujos had a bit of yume in them. It made sense because if you liked the character, you were attracted to them: Sasuke, Cloud, Sephiroth, Kurama, Kaiba, etc. There were no labels or factions like fujo or yume or social media; you were just a fangirl. Back in the day (mid 2000s) yaoi was novel too (gay acceptance was much lesser) so the main rivalry was yaoi and het. The common story among my friends and I is that we watched whatever was on Cartoon Network or the Kids WB, latched onto bishies we liked, found yaoi of them, and the rest is history.
Yume didn’t even enter the international weeb lexicon until around the late 2010s (iirc an otome blogger brought it to the west) and the pandemic crystallized yumeshipping/self-inserting as a phenomenon. Back then (pre 2010s) people still made OCs and self-shipped, but it was considered cringe and juvenile (eg Mary Sue as an insult) and more or less limited to pockets of sites like Deviantart. The post-pandemic yume/fujo war always came off as extremely one-sided too, like yumes on LC seething at fujos.
Looking at Audrey’s LinkedIn I see her job trajectory is textbook “millennial weeb who studied Japanese and made a career of it”. She’s also in the middle-millennial age range and sells to weebs as her full time job so I wouldn’t compare lifestyles with her. I think she lucked out due to a number of reasons - being located in LA good for logistics, had a background in Japanese/e-commerce/media, launched her business in the late 2010s right as anime was becoming mainstream - so it makes sense she can afford that lifestyle. Not trying to WK for her, I just think it’s kinda wild people are accusing her of being a fake fan given the context I just described. I’m not aware of her having BNF milk à la fencer, but she’s definitely no AddyHarajuku.
No.14933
>A REAL m/m fan never speaks ill of terrible canon female love interest xD
stfu
No.14934
>>14933The people posting hate aren't bringing up poor writing because they're like this with every female character with any prominence.
Like Tifa/Aerith hate.
Character bashing is annoying once you're no longer 14.
No.14935
>>14933I do and with much gusto
No.14936
>>14934It's less about hate and more about performatively loving the female character, so you don't get cancelled for misogyny. Also character hate / bashing is fun sometimes when tagged, sorry.
No.14937
>>14936NTA but I shamefully admit I love characters bashing.
Even the few het pairs I do ship I still like reading character bashing fics of their canon love interests. It’s annoying seeing people performatively loving female characters and then in the same breath they’ll bash another female character for getting in the way of the canon ship.
No.14938
>>14936I'd rather have the most seething hate of a female character than the phoney 'omg i love herrrrrrr, she's too good for himmmmm'. I get why fujos need to do it, but it's so annoying to see.
No.14939
>>14938kek I especially like the ones that claim to love a female character sooo much that they conveniently headcanon her as a lesbian. I'm a fujo but I also like plenty of het ships so I usually also share het fanart but somehow that makes some people mad too. if you're a fujo you're an evil fetishizer but if you're a het shipper you're a cringe self inserter. so in the end we should all just do and enjoy what we love because people always find a reason to nitpick.
No.14941
>>14926>been there, kek. and people, fellow fujos included, tore her to shreds for saying that and claimed that she was gross/sex obsessed. meanwhile i just thought damn girl, you are so right, that ship is hot, of course i'd also be thinking of them fucking all the time. bro imagine a man saying he thinks about sex all the time, do fellow men tore him to shreds and call him gross.
No they just say "me too bro" at best.
Ugh.
Also it's funny most of it comes from yumes or het shippers, when a lot of them are just as pornbrained if not more. I guess they think liking straight porn makes them not pornbrained, huh no, you are pornbrained if you think about straight sex all the time too kek
>>14932I don't think so, you can find a character attractive without necessary want to ship yourself with him, that's the difference.
Fujos that are yumes often end up saying shit like "i need female characters to self insert" which is where the inner yumes comes forth
No.14942
>>14930Because they know male hentai fans will just spam them with rape/death threats, it's easier for them to target other women.
No.14945
>>14926>>14924>>14917>fencer-xIs it true she had a meltie and went on a cokerant because of the MH confession scene in Starting Days? I wasn't there during the Free! Tumblr days but was told this, plus her mistranslating MH lines and omitting words 24/7, which is crazy kekk
No.14946
>>14941> you can find a character attractive without necessary want to ship yourself with himI don’t disagree with that, just saying it’s natural for a lot of fangirls to also be attracted to characters they like to ship.
No.14949
>>14930I think this is the only safe space, even lc is too far gone
No.14955
>>14949I was bored at work and decided to check out LC (never been into the site that much) and checked some fandom threads incl. the anti fujo thread) and jesus, everyone on LC is so fucking miserable I can't imagine living like this constantly.
No.14957
Didn't really get what's so appealing about yume, anyway the yume community grew insanely toxic.
No.14958
>>14957I think some people are addicted to the adrenaline of getting into online fights.
No.14959
>>14911I think the West just really wanted a rival ship and were hoping it would be like a traditional anime one. My unpopular take is that Harry/Draco is the same, in the canon it doesn't really hold a candle to anime rivalships because they were never given that "obsessed with each other and are part of each other's arc whether they like it or not", people just want the trope because the West is allergic to writing good m/m rivalry.
No.14960
>>14959Harry's got more of a rivalry with Snape than Draco imo. But yeah, they aren't the anime-styled m/m shipbait rivals that fans want them to be.
No.14961
so many faggots mad that women like bara or draw it but will defend TIFs putting a pussy on a bara. so tired of these fake bisexual wokes, i hope more fujos keep drawing bara and showing interst. at least they know what homosexual men are supposed to look like.
No.14962
so many faggots mad that women like bara or draw it but will defend TIFs putting a pussy on a bara. so tired of these fake bisexual wokes, i hope more fujos keep drawing bara and showing interst. at least they know what homosexual men are supposed to look like.
No.14963
I think the West just really wanted a rival ship and were hoping it would be like a traditional anime one. My unpopular take is that Harry/Draco is the same, in the canon it doesn't really hold a candle to anime rivalships because they were never given that "obsessed with each other and are part of each other's arc whether they like it or not", people just want the trope because the West is allergic to writing good m/m rivalry.
No.14964
>>14963Harry Potter is the one series where the straight ships with the MC are better than the gay ones imo (Harmione & Lunarry vs Drarry & Ronarry)
No.14965
>>14962Oh yeah I hate the bara vs femboy wars and the people who claim that liking one or another meant you aren't a woman because "women only like * ". People aren't a hivemind and I happened to be into a lot of different types of dudes, ages and bodytypes, depending on how well their series are written, how charismatic or interesting the characters are, how cool the artstyle is and so on.
I don't even have issues with trans or herm-characters if it's canon. I hate tacked on vagina because it's not. I hate it for the same reason I hate the uglification that tumblr propagates. Same with bodytypes. I am fine with lean and chubby characters but I really, really do not like when fans turn normal weighted dudes into fat ones or canonically big and heavy/fat characters into twinks. The latter also happens with female characters. Canonically huge and scary, but fans turn them into big-titted skinny super models. I especially hate that many of these fans are women themselves.
No.14966
>>14965I got out of the Kingdom Hearts hype right before Sora with a black guy tan became the new hc. No one does this to Riku because he's already gay. But Kairi is drawn fat for some reason and Xion is always trans and black.
Ironically Xemnas is left alone.
No.14967
>>14966Western fandom's obsession with representation is so annoying. I don't mind skin colour changes that much and even racebends as long as they don't take over as the default interpretation + have people calling others racist for not following it, but so many people draw their headcanons as grotesque as possible that it's impossible to disassociate "diverse" art with ugliness.
No.14968
The whole genderbend draco thing blowing up proves to me once again that people are really hypocrites because they'll call you delusional for liking an M/M ship while you bring up the canon material and other shit that links the M/M pairing together but oh somehow SUDDENLY as long as one of them was a woman it makes 100% complete total sense, "how did I not see this!", even if nothing was changed other than the other character happens to be a woman. fuck you.
in a way I guess it's half validating that yes indeed my ship makes fucking sense I fucking told you so but I hate that somehow a well written M/M dynamic (not inherently related to drarry in question either) is always dismissed as delusional by default of it being M/M
No.14969
>>14845original BL does sell really well and has lots of fans that buy official merch. this claim that “fujos don’t pay up” is extremely incorrect when fujos are known to support their favs hardcore. these people don’t know anything because they had no interest in weeb games pre-LADS.
>>14907usually they go for these ships that make no sense only because they consider the ship that actually makes sense too “problematic”. sad. prussia’s and canada’s best ships are with their brothers whether they like it or not.
No.14972
>>14837>Side note, I keep seeing hetjoshis / yumes online saying fujos don't pay up and we've had several of our games declare EOS? Can someone give any examples bc I don't really play fujo gamesThere aren't really any live service fujo games to EOS to begin with except Noctilucent and Nu:Carnival and they're doing fine, NuCani even having a nitro+chiral collab. Zerowake GATES is still in development so we'll have to see where that goes once it releases. I guess Velvet React got EOS'd in a year but that was mostly because it was simply a shit game and people didn't like how it had zero relationship mechanics and only included sex scenes. The reason NuCani became so popular was that Eiden was made a likable protagonist with a bold personality making it an actual BL game instead of an "otome harem but the main is male" like what Velvet React tried doing.
Also there's so much otome shovelware that gets EOS'd in four months after pumping and dumping the audience that people probably just mentally confuse the two genres.
No.14973
>>14972Samefag to add a correction. Velvet React wasn't really even an "otome harem" but more like the main character was used as a personality-less blank slate avatar to watch OTHER characters have sex with each other kek, that's why people called it a NTR/cuck game. I guess there are some fujos who are satisfied with just seeing two random bishies have sex but most of us like a specific couple because they have chemistry and a dynamic that we are interested in and sex is a way to express the feelings between them whatever they might be. Nu:Carnival on the other hand puts a lot of effort in their character writing and it's exactly why it's so successful. It's not that "fujos don't put their money where their mouth is" but that studios developing games don't understand them as an audience or even bother to understand, instead they just treat them as "otome but gay" and think throwing random boring bishies at them works like it does with otome fans who specifically don't want their male characters to have a personality beyond a husbando trope.
No.14974
>>14930>meanwhile in male spaces they can goon to their heart's contentIt depends on the space. Even some anime bros are policing themselves over ages of waifus now. There are also always a few anti porn puritan types but they just show up to say 'ew I disapprove of gooners' while everyone ignores them.
No.14975
>>14930I see this female-socialized behavior all the time on both socmed and female ibs
>porn addiction porn addiction porn addiction>no offense but I'm glad I'm not a coombrain lol I care about the CHARACTERS and SOURCE MATERIAL instead of SEX and PORN>why are you acting like your porn is deep and meaningful>you can never be an good writer or artist if you draw to get off>degen fujos are porn addictsI suspect a lot of this is said by women who feel isolated from other women online because they aren't into yaoi / whatever is popular, especially antifujo hetshippers and yumes. Have your superiority complex all you want. At the end of day I'm the enjoying content I enjoy while you are sad and bitter in a corner.
No.14976
I honestly don't care at all about what people think about me being a fujo. They can call me homophobic, pedophile, misogynist, racist, abuser etc. I’m none of these things and if the definition gets changed and it somehow does apply to me I won’t mind someone calling me that because I know I’m not doing anything wrong. That’s why when I see yumes, yurishitters or even moralfag fujos insult me I can easily ignore it. In fact I wish fujos would get more hate again. For a few years it’s been trendy to call yourself a fujoshi and it let to an epidemic of irony-poisoned pseudo intellectual fujo larpers. I hate them so much for turning BL into some kind of joke that can only be taken seriously if it’s about the struggles of irl faggots
No.14977
>>14958Hate is a market.
>>14974>anti porn puritan Biggots or larpers trying to stir shit aside, most people don't like coming across porn when they aren't looking for it. I've got no sympathy for edgelords or autists who share their porn or fetish in a general discussion/thread. As you said, it depends on the space.
No.14978
>>14976I don't care either. I just read or watch whatever I want whether it's bl or het and I mind my own business because fuck fandoms at that point. I can't even stand the fujoshi with a huge following I randomly come accross on twitter because they're fake as fuck and will talk about gay rep or trans rep, or about their autism and how everyone who's interested in nerdy genres like bl must also be retarded like them in between acting like normal fangirls to lure you in. I also don't care about normalfags' opinions either. Some new girl who was hired at my job a few weeks ago once came to the office with a 50 shades of grey like novel to kill time and another one grabbed it as a joke and read out loud some random lines about a guy getting horny and sucking the female MC's nipples like it's nothing weird in that place and time. Meanwhile I make sure to read my books at home when they're not even nearly as explicit. My stupid country produces retarded disgusting het movies about hideous old men being into way younger and prettier women who are all over them because the ugly old pedo directors and actors self insert as the male main characters, and these trashy movies are deemed as 2deep4u masterpieces instead of some random guy's personal expensive fap material. Why should I be embarrassed that I read manga about good looking men falling in love with each other and kissing in comparison, just because it's niche? No, fuck that.
No.14979
>>14977>Biggots or larpers trying to stir shit aside, most people don't like coming across porn when they aren't looking for it. I've got no sympathy for edgelords or autists who share their porn or fetish in a general discussion/thread. As you said, it depends on the space.For sure, but I'm thinking of the kind of guy who clutches his pearls just at the mention that X fictional character has r34 of them even if said character is the most obvious fanservice design ever. Usually found in Youtube or Reddit comments, so probably just normie-adjacent types. This type of guy is generally shocked by the existence of any fanworks at all except maybe mega crossovers and will lose his shit if someone tells him about yaoi.
No.14981
>>14978are you french? the movie thing sounds french to me, kek.
No.14982
>>14980The fact that there are so many men who are so angry at their recent(!) realisation that Transformers has a million gayship fans is another proof for the inability of most people and especially men have no concept of chemistries and personalities if it isn't about a self-insert.
It's fine to not like a pairing. But to call every shipper of G1 MegaStar or even the IDW bots delusional can only be explained if they only follow those series for the pew pew and funny colors. Sure, maybe some aren't gay, but if two characters are so close or share such a weird rivalry or hatelove with each other that they might as well be you cannot condemn fans for adding 1 to 9 to make it a 10.
No.14983
>>14978>>14976Same here. I don't care about fitting in or identity shit. I only have the "fujo" in my twitter bio to avoid being blocked by the Japanese and scare anti-shippers away. I also enjoy a lot of non-gay shit. Gay is the icing on the cake that gets me really into something, but still enjoy every moment of Jaadugar, TTGL or .hack//Sign. And might also enjoy fucked up gay shit like the gay pairing of BokuDake and don't care.
I even read Golden Kamuy at work or in the subway and if some idiot should show the naked men to others then be it. I am over that shit. Every normalfag openly fawns over their het rape fantasy novels or "grandpa fucking hot 22year old super model" movies, they should look into the mirror.
That said though, I also had to think of French movies when you described that genre lmao
Germany has a similar issue but unlike France they don't even try to come off as deep. It's either stressed middle aged guys finding a girl to fuck, 46yo stressed married women who fall in love with a charming 19 year old Italian because they're "exotic" or some white savior shit with a black trophy wife/husband. Boomers crave that shit. Maybe I am biased, but despite not caring about depth as long as something is entertaining I believe that shit like Golden Kamuy as more to offer than this crap, despite all the evil naked men.
No.14984
>>14982It is fascinating in how they act like it's a new thing. And will deny it ever being a thing until you show them production notes. I've seen their reactions live and it's genuine bafflement to homophobia. Not even ignorant boomer but just complete homophobia and hatred.
Notall of them react that way, but the ones who don't are usually closeted or young themselves.
No.14985
>>14976Ironically not even the real gays I know like the usual type of fluff gay with literally-yous that tumblr and such demands. Hell, I feel like not even tumblr likes it. There was this one super representative sanitized gay comic with the two mutual gay guys that everybody talked about but nobody seemed to like. Some pretended to but I have never seen a single fanart of this or seen them fangirl about it. Instead they keep posting their Mouthwashing, Transformer and Eldritch porn which is based btw but it shows that they are just virtue signalling about the "safe" gay shit.
No.14986
>>14984Yeah they do that with everything that involves women. I assume it's men from conservative families who had zero female friends as kids because they also claim that gaming or coding wasn't a female thing when 60% of the gamers I knew in the 90s were girls obsessed with RPG- and strategy games and early coding was a mostly female thing until men came to make money and then pretended women were too stupid for tech.
The person who first told me about piracy and eDonkey was also a girl.
The funny thing about TF is that they had to know if they were real fans because fujos were always present. But I think that men tend to misinterpret fujoness as husbandofagging. So if you talk a lot about Tarn and Overlord they assume you want to fuck bad boys instead of realising that you want to see them fuck, kek
No.14987
>>14986Assuming you want to fuck them is the most infuriating part about them getting in discussions.
There's a lot of Optimus yumes out there because who wouldn't be attracted to that personality. But they see girls screaming over Perceptor and Brainstorm and think they want to be in the middle. When they were 8 and saw Megan Fox and the girls who can't act in the other films, that's how they comprehended it.
Ironhide and Ratchet are little more than sentient dogs that can shoot blasters to them. And I don't know which is worse. Being accused of wanting to fuck them or being seen as an idiot for trying to engage with the characters in earnest.
No.14988
>>14981>>14983Damn you both clocked me. Yeah I'm French and there's nothing good in French cinema besides animated movies, yet boomers think younger people than them, starting from gen X, are retarded degenerates who prefer Dragon Ball to the average French movie where a walled racist obese old man is seduced by a pretty young female character or the average 2deep4u depressing movie that celebrate beauty or whatever.
>I even read Golden Kamuy at work or in the subway and if some idiot should show the naked men to others then be itIt wouldn't be the end of the world here, the average bus passenger in my city likes to watch AI generated fruits island slop about fruits trying to fuck each other, without earphones of course and as loudly as possible.
No.14989
>>14979> lashe out whenever something don't catter to them or their dick It’s not a normie thing… The only scenario where I could see this genuinely confuse or upset people, is if the characters mentionned are very cartoonish, childlike, or non-human. And Transformers is rather low on the wtf spectrum since those are giant alien sentient robots. It's not like bronies or pokefuckers.
No.14990
>>14988>there's nothing good in French cinema Most of it is slop, same as everywhere, but if you find nothing of value in an industry that is 100 years old then the problem is you and your taste. It's like you're and the other anons are stuck in the 50-60s.
>Peau-d'âne>Le hussard sur le toit>Le compte de monte-cristoThere you're big budgets het romance with no age-gap or ugly leads. All in costumes too.
No.14999
>>14964Nah, they're not. I don't know why people come onto a fujo board to shill het ships and talk about how much better they are. I'll take my m/m notps over any het ship because het shippers are that annoying and never shut up about fujos and spread discourse.
>>14968It also proves that moids are hypocrites about women liking "bad boys" and men act like moralfags until it's something that turns them on, but unfortunately women in fandom are happy to side with moids and also police other women.
No.15009
>>15006Me with Lance Voltron. Will never watch the show but I despise Lance and the Klance ship because of how annoying their fans were and the influence that whole shitshow has to this day.
No.15010
>>15006>ShipsYes all the time
>CharactersIt's more a narrative thing for me, if I genuinely like a character with an annoying fandom I can put that behind me and continue to like them but if they're shitty in the story itself and their fanbase reflects that then it certainly doesn't help.
I wouldn't say it's hate but I never cared for this dude's schizo ass and voted him guilty every round kek.
>>15009Ok you got me there, genuinely fucking hate Lance and Klance because of the fandom.
No.15011
>>15009Lance is such a shit character. I can't believe he got so popular and the writers actually wanted him to get the girl. Allura didn't deserve this
No.15012
>>15011>Could have ended up with hot purple elf prince>Ends up with fugly latino farmer and diesCan't have shit in Altea
No.15013
>>14976Same, I think most reason of why female fandoms care so much about name calling and virtue signaling is because we are susceptible to group think, unlike males that have a tendency to be lone wolfs we can't help but want to be in the group even if the group is retarded and keeps shitting on us.
No.15015
>>15012Maybe that's why she had to die. It was either be with an uggo or cease to exist. She never stood a chance!
>>15013I hate that this is the case for women. I just want to enjoy my m/m stuff in peace and exist without any drama or weirdo ass call outs. It probably didn't help that the internet began to centralize itself so we had no choice but to be within the midst of the fakers
No.15016
>>15009Same. I've gotten the ick from several authors that are writing for ships I LIKE because I visit their bio and see Klance in their works or bookmarks.
>>15012Old Lotor/Allura was my problematic fav from when I was a kid, I'm still mad about the fumble here.
No.15018
>>15014Prussia’s crush on Italy IS super cute and I love it but it always felt so one-sided. I tried reading some doujins with them but even those were one-sided.
No.15042
>>15040It reminds me of when JJK season 2 came out and men who shat on fujoshi all the time formally apologized and admitted Gojo and Geto were gay as fuck on twitter kek. But like if these guys were too stupid to admit it and never apologized instead.
No.15044
>>15040The male mind is so incomprehensible to me.
No.15047
>>15040No different from when the Persona 5 moids admitted Goro would be the canon choice if he were a girl
No.15048
>>15047I never seen this in my life.
No.15049
>>15040>that fanartit's literally sora and riku at the end of kingdom heart 2 holding the keyblade together to defeat xenmas
No.15051
>>15048Granted it was on 4chan but it did happen
No.15052
>>15040It would take moids to ruin one of the most iconic yaoi pairings of the 2000s
No.15057
>>15040Moids, or at least nu-otaku moids, are too retarded to look at old anime that already fulfilled their tsundere fetish because all they know is hype moments and aura shonenshit where the girls basically have negative chemistry with their MCs. They have psyop'd themselves into thinking the most bogstandard (and shitty) genderbend is somehow revolutionary when it's just rehashing the kugyu tsundere trope from the early 2000s and shitty harem tropes also from the 2000s.
At least it's not some shitty tranny acceptance uwu like the Petra parker shit but this is getting on my nerves too. Oh but god forbid fujos start making BL fanart of some popular hetslop or whatever.
No.15058
>>15048> If Sasuke was a girlThat was not a hot take back when Naruto was still running.
No.15060
Manga I like has a fandom made up of people all 10-20 years younger than me and every fourth word out of their fingertips is "larper". Make it stooppp. This character is a larper, this user is a larper, this official social media account is a larper, I'm a silly billy larper, sexy scenario where seme discovers uke is a larper, larper larper larper. UGH.
No.15061
>>15058They're probably referencing Goro specifically, which I've also never seen. Sasuke was actually the only character I've ever seen that with before this Malfoy thing.
>>15060Which fandom?
I feel increasingly distant from fandom as a whole due to just how old I feel, and it's very sad.
No.15063
>>15048>>15061Kokoro was a pretty popular concept back in the day. I remember seeing a lot of people agreeing that if Goro was a girl, he would have dethroned Makoto as the "default choice" or whatever.
No.15064
>>15058I saw this once on 4chan
lol he almost gets why sasunaru is popular
No.15066
>try to find reactions to trashy but hot bl webtoon
>get the stupid fucking nucarni debate in the search instead
I genuinely want every one involved to die. One half is mentally delayed and won't shut the fuck up, the other half is spouting retarded bullshit about how bl is for queer men when its for women by women.
No.15068
>>15066Even funnier because all those "queer men" saying it's for them are just Aidens.
No.15070
>>15069Kek some people are simply incapable of reading the room.
No.15071
>>15069Hiveminding is so annoying. People always hate the same shit for a different excuse. There are so many cases in which 4chan and tumblr seeth about the exact same characters or series that I asked myself if might actually be the same people who just roleplay as leftist on tumblr, respectively as rightoids when they're on 4chan. But the truth is probably that they don't engage with fiction at all or at least not neutrally and just adapt whatever bullshit notorious youtubers or fans are spewing.
When I joined the transformers fandom my favorite character was so despised and hated on tumblr in particular that you couldn't go a day without another "thinkpiece" textwall in which someone projected every evil thing and radical politician/guy (including torquemada, hitler and trump) into that guy even for the parts where it made no sense. Thought "oh oh" when I saw that before posting my first fanart. But then I did it anyway and besides some people seething about that guy after seeing my art (but not me, for some reason) eventually others started drawing him too and things calmed down!
I doubt that I am the trigger for that. But being chill about liking le ebil/weird/unpopular characters helps normalizing this and making people aware that they're seething about potentially gay 2D creatures instead of actual mass murderers.
You are just one out of many, but it has to start somewhere. Hiding it would be the wrong choice, it would only influence even more labile people who are afraid of developing their own taste.
No.15072
>>15069>>"oh why do you like them so much"I wouldn't have answered that. Anyone who forms a question like that isn't there to discuss anything worth my time.
No.15073
>>15072To be honest, the fact that anon CAN answer why they like them is already charitable enough. Most people when asked "why do you like character / ship" they either don't know what to say or only say surface level shit like "they're cute / hot".
>>15071>But being chill about liking le ebil/weird/unpopular characters helps normalizing this I remember some years ago during 2016-2018, liking villain / evil characters became something to hate people over or call them a word salad "apologist" of every evil in the world, it somewhat stopped in some manner but you still see it from time to time depending on the fandom. It's weird when I see it because people have romanticized the term "toxic yaoi" so much over the years when actually legitimate toxic dynamics are present in a ship, often with an actual villain and not some random bully 'rival', they start to be like "uhmm this is abuse"
No.15074
>>15071Gotta be Getaway or Prowl
No.15075
>>15066on the one hand I'm glad people are telling these yumes to fuck off, but on the other hand you have these "fags" acting like the nucarni team isn't full of women and they even put out a statement that the game is for women. idk if they close their eyes and plugged their ears, or are just choosing to be ignorant. a game like this is obviously not made for them either.
No.15079
>>15069same experience i had with my ship. From what i can tell this is usually said by people that either like the "popular" ship or brainded retards that cannot function without having the masses agree with them.
No.15086
>>15085Why would you get called a pickme? Those retards are annoying and do fuck shit up.
No.15087
>>15085based af. being a millennial fujo is suffering in today's fandom climate.
No.15089
>>15085Ma'am this is a safe place for fujos. It's okay to unbuckle your belt and unfasten your pants.
No.15090
>>15087>remember how much fun I had being a young writer looking up to all the older writers with published quality stories>I gotta hone my craft so I can be this for young writers when I'm older>late 2010s fandom discourse nuclear bomb 10000 years wokescold radiationwelp!
>>15089This site is the only place online that has the correct pH balance for millennial fujos.
No.15091
>>15090ayrt, same hat! I'm ESL so when I finally felt confident enough to write in English I was so excited. then a handful of years later I got weird comments like "uhmmmm, why are you writing about UNDERAGE characters???" and I just lost all hope. all I wanted was to write gay porn about my fave boys…
No.15092
>>15085>>15087Indeed. As a millennial fujo this isn’t even about pro vs anti shit, but it’s just gay drawings for god’s sake!! Zoomers are simultaneously the most puritan and hypersexual generation to exist. Hetero male coomshit gets pushed as empowering while shipping teenage characters puts you on the same level as a sex offender.
IMO the biggest mistake was making yaoi a political statement. Why can’t girls just enjoy a hobby without having to justify or defend it?
No.15093
>>15085>west asia brazil and south asiaalso latinos because for some reason they downloaded tumblr 2016 bingo card in 2026
No.15094
>>15093I fell like the American socjustic culture really did take about a decade to spread everywhere, which is funny, because there's been a drastic turn from it in the US, with even very lefty people criticizing 'woke 1.0'.
>>15092I blame tumblr, but also social media at large for turning hobbies into politics. I suppose you could call it the ultimate evolution of 'slacktivism'. Now, you don't even need to post Kony 2012 on FB, you can watch your show and that counts just as much.
No.15095
>>15085I remember how often I'd read NSFW Haikyu fics when it was my hyperfixation and it felt like even on tumblr the fanbase was just chill about it. It was a good time.
No.15097
>>15085No, I can't stand them either and I can't stand that Nakamura is getting hate because they have latched onto it. The overwoke part of Transformers at least has the balls to be openly degenerated, this new of type of political purist sounds like a bunch of screeching kids. I remember even seeing them going ballistic in some fandom I forgot the name of because some fans were sfw shipping the characters. As in, just drawing them blushing and such. And yes I also blame tumblr.
What angers me even more is that there are zero hints for them being actually woke, progressive, anticapitalist, call it whatever. They NEVER care about stories that actually thematize these topics, they also never talk about real people and problems. If they mention anybody it's always their "toxic" ex-gf or their mother whom they are still seething about 10 years later and pretending to be traumatized by them for calling them out once.
No.15098
>>15097It's almost like creating an untouchable cultural class that one can identify into via their tumblr bios and instantly become immune to all criticism attracts narcissists…
The average Transformers fan has the most insane cuntboy fetish I've ever seen in my life. They make the guys who hornypost in the comments at the deranged women on r/FTMspunished seem normal by comparison.
No.15100
>>15098I mean most people had a phase where they LARPed online and claimed to be XXxfallen angelxXX and the reborn soul of a demon or some shit but first it happened when you were like 12 and ended with 16 at the latest while these people are mostly in their mid/late twenties and secondly did I never meet one who got political over it.
Maybe the lack of connection was a blessing. You have the same phenomenon with idiot boomers. Back in the day you had those shizos too but they never mattered because they were isolated. Now all backwater towns' shizo boomers connected with each other and formed at least one political party in every country that gain momentum because more shizos join and a lot of other boomers discover the hidden shizo in them that they always had but suppressed before.
Social media made every bullshit seem legit and mainstream and we reap what they have sown. For fandoms I don't even care what fetishes people have but it's annoying when everybody joins a hivemind. At least save for Transformers I never had a fandom with trans fanart AFAIK and even the TF shit is limited to porn, so I never saw anybody calling any of my favs women so far (I know they do it with Starscream though, but I am more into other dudes).
No.15102
>>15101When I was big into Arcane I never touched its Twitter fanbase aside from Asian artists and stuck to the /co/ and /tv/ generals. Even then people would bring off-site discourse to the thread and there'd be surprise tranny Viktor art sometimes (but the 4.5 Jayviks there hated it at least).
No.15103
>>14830Did something happen to fandom, or did something happen to the real world? Lockdown, police violence, a miserable news cycle, job crises, blah blah blah. I'm not surprised at all people are acting weird about fiction too! If you want the annoying pseudo-fandom kids to go away, you need to give them what they want: a nurturing community and like-minded friends. Then they'll probably watch the shows they where LARPing over together (maybe TV was never meant to be a solo activity)
No.15104
>>15103>(maybe TV was never meant to be a solo activity)It wasn't lol. You're supposed to sit down as friends or family in the living room and laugh and joke and cry together while you watch. Everyone having their own screen with on-demand tailored content really killed this.
No.15105
>>15104I guess anime was just a transient hinterland between the simpsons and tiktok, then? Early on, you could personalise your media outside of the western mainstream with a great effort, a whole community of fansubbers etc. putting in effort too. Then they made it easier, and now it's so easy that the hobby/community element has to come from something else, & the show itself doesn't really feel special.
No.15106
>>15102>but the 4.5 Jayviks there hated it at leastI was one of them. Why 4.5?
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No.15108
>>15107If these female characters were so great, you wouldn't have a defense squad with a superiority complex begging people to like them. The female characters pictured in the meme all have valid criticism over how they were written and can easily be disliked.
No.15109
>>15107OH MY FUCKING GOD, YES, I DESPISE MIKASA SO MUCH AND I GOT CALLED A SEXIST FOR SAYING SO. without Eren she has no personality whatsoever, but le strong female character zomg!!1!1
No.15111
>>15110I think they're grasping at straws for some of these tbh, Shinobu from what I've seen is also well-liked, it more so feels like OP just put all of the female characters she personally likes and takes ANY person disliking them as proof they're overhated when no all characters have people who dislike them lol
No.15112
>>15107If there's anybody who hates these female characters, it's the moid writers. But ofc these people never have any words for the men who can't write women for shit.
No.15113
>>15107Putting Hermione in the same category as the anime girls written by men is certainly a choice. I've never watched The Pitt, so I have no idea what's going on with the characters from that, but surely, this person must understand how much the waifus ruin the point the meme was trying to make.
Also, there's this weird thing I've noticed (especially in the past 5 or so years) where people will say something like, "it's not the character's fault! It's the writing!" I don't know if I'm retarded or what, but I don't get this. If a female character was written poorly by a man who clearly hates women, that's what the character is. Nobody's blaming a fictional entity, so I never get why people have to clarify it's not the character's fault. That's like saying it's not Scar's fault he chose to kill Mufasa; he was just written to want to kill Mufasa. Like, yeah, when a character is being criticized, it's generally a critique of the writing. The characters do not possess independent consciousness.
No.15114
>>15110I was active in the fandom when the manga was dropping and there were a ton of people mad she didn't get any sort of consequences for her actions and she was allowed to join the main cast when they should've been mad at her
No.15115
>>15107I never understood women in certain fanbases (primarily, anime) and their need to defend terribly written female characters who were clearly made by a moid, and hate on other women who love well-written female characters who were made by women.
No.15120
>>15107I don't know the live action ones other than Hermione, but she's definitely not that hated if the history of gorillion of Dramione pseudo self-insert fics are anything to go by.
Misa is disliked for being annoying, but she's not that hated.
Mikasa is an absolute blackhole of a character who never changed from MUH EREN, they tried giving her something (the whole japanese long lost princess thing) and it went nowhere, so they had to dial more into MUH EREN and retroactively ruin Eren too as a character.
Annie I'd say is pretty hated for different reasons. She's a traitor and a bitch, so she served that purpose well. She killed a ton of people without remorse but eventually her character is "redeemed", even turns out alive and well. She also gets shipped with Armin (even within the story) and people also don't like Armin either so to an extent they hate both. Many other characters end up dead or suffer more than Annie ends up doing ultimately, so it all only matters depending on how someone would feel overall regarding the plot developments quite frankly.
Gabi deserves all the hate she gets. She's everything wrong with SNK's part 4. They took Eren's titan autism and dialed it up to the max and she's neither charismatic or funny. If she's in that picture it feels like someone trying to defend her for the sake of it. There are far too many reasons to dislike her.
Mitsuri…She's neither liked or disliked in my opinion? Cosplay attentionwhores LOVE to cosplay as her because she's feminine and pink, she's like THE "cute girl" to pretend to like if you don't even care about anime. Characterwise, she doesn't do much of anything? She has her moments but ultimately she ends up being shipbait with Obanai. Most people end up remembering her over that.
Shinobu is really not hated. Maybe by men since she never expresses any interest in Tanjiro (so they can't self-insert) or maybe by some GiyuuTan fujos that don't like when they see her with Giyuu (because Shinobu gets shipped with Giyuu for whatever reason). She's actually so not-really-hated that people actually DO hate when she's shipped with Douma, because it's abuse, he killed her sister, etc etc the usual bundle of toxic ship complaints (I don't care personally).
No.15121
>>15120(cont)
Everyone knows why the Big 3 main shonen girls (Orihime, Sakura, Hinata) were hated. It was usually a combination of shipwars and being incompetently written. Orihime is saved by a BARELY miraculous grace of not being written by Kishimoto, so she can be competent sometimes. Most of her hate was shipwars though. Sakura has legitimate criticisms and while it's true she was the representative of "overhated female character", it was also for good reason too.
Ochako, much like Hinata, pretty much exist for one thing and that's to be the MC's LI. Ochako wasn't as grating as far as eventual-forced-LIs go but she also pretty much did nothing through most of BNHA's runtime. Most of her hate also came due to shipwars, but also because her character basically didn't really go anywhere and at points it felt like she HAD to like Deku (because that's her purpose) even when it seemed that she'd do things without Deku. They gave her a pseudo "yuri" copout so some people started disliking her less due to that for a time, but then went back to disliking her when her character became Deku orbiter again ultimately.
Anyway those are my several cents as a shonenshitter. Surprisingly I haven't seen JJK, but I can tell Nobara already suffers from "written by a guy who doesn't know how to write women". She's a girl stuck in a sausagefest and while she's probably not bad, she's likely just underutilized.
I feel like the people who make these posts are usually people who simply see "fem character hated in fandom" and feel the need to like/defend on the basis of being a woman, nevermind what they do / don't do in the plot
No.15122
>>15121>Surprisingly I haven't seen JJK, but I can tell Nobara already suffers from "written by a guy who doesn't know how to write women". Gege is actually decent at writing female characters. The things you can criticize them for are things that apply just as much to male characters and in an interview with Tite Kubo, Kubo kinda laughed at Gege for not drawing hot women or something like that. As for Nobara in particular, spoilers just in case
some people will say she's badly written because she removed from the plot for half of the story and isn't as strong or as important as Yuji or Megumi because muh trio but that's because she's just a character like any other and not "the heroine", in a way. And these same people will tell you her waking up from a coma at the end is bad writing and just fanservice but it's subjective. I didn't see anything wrong with it, there was foreshadowing and I believe Gege removed her from the plot because her technique is way, wayyy too strong against Sukuna in particular. What's kinda funny is that the one scene with Nobara where Gege forces himself to write a more feminist scene is pretty bad.
She tells a girl around her age dealing with crazy abusive and sexist male relatives ruining her life that she victimizes herself and that she likes being cute or something like that. It was a very shallow girl power type of scene. It made Nobara look stupid because guess what, a few arcs later that same girl gets murdered by her sexist father who thinks she's just a burden and prevents him from inheriting a huge house, money, power, titles, weapons, etc. And we also see her much older male cousin talking about her ass and boobs because he's disgusting like that. Lots of people have assumed that since JJK's beginning was forced to be as cliche as possible by editors then Nobara was inspired by Sakura but Gege said he based her off a shojo manga protagonist he liked a lot as a teenager without realizing it, so they have the exact same backstory.
No.15123
>>15107ngl this behavior reminds me of a certain subset of people in the rp scene who always like female characters by default but they don't understand/care about them on a deeper level because the female characters are only a self insert vehicle for their yumeing. as long as the female character is sort of cute they will support her and ship her with all the hot male characters. female oc and "mary sue" hate was really rampant back in the day so shipping a canon female character with a male character basically gave you a pass even though that was also just tinly veiled yumeing when you looked at their writing and couldn't even recognize the female characters in question because they were written so ooc-ly. there are some female characters I like in this pic (nobara, mitsuru, shinobu, sakura, javadi, santos) but the rest I either don't care about or don't know. except for Hermione, whom I actually dislike. also, katara should be up there too, she's insanely annoying but also very popular as a self insert vehicle.
No.15124
>>15107I think the absolute worst fandom for this behavior currently is Genshin. They're absolutely schizophrenic about defending every single thing the writers do regarding the women over there, from what I see. Think its lame that the women in the villain group are having tea parties together? Kinda disappointed that one of the characters that was shaping up to have a creepier personality is instead a total moeblob? Prepare to get absolutely skinned alive. It's honestly so hard to understand. They're so fucking annoying about people wanting a bit more variance in how the women behave and will screech to high Heaven you're just a dumbass that hates when women are allowed to be "just one of the girls!!" Discussion around female characters has become untenable because the only possible reason you could have for disliking one is "superfluous" or "unjustified" and not because you simply just… actually read/watched whatever she was from and came out of the experience not liking her. Every person who dislikes her only dislikes her out of spite/bad faith to these types. Hell, I like Ochaco and Hinata but understand why they receive criticism as characters; I know not every single comment against them is because of shipping autism.
No.15125
>>15122One nice thing I can say about JJK is that the girls are just kinda hanging out and if any of them give/receive romantic inclinations they are so tertiary to everything that I am not instantly annoyed like I am when I see that Ochako/Hinata/Orihime is in focus so I know it's mostly gonna be about their feelings for the MC. Normie girl likes Yuji. Mechamaru liked Kasumi. Maki gets with Yuta off screen. It's all very unobtrusive (AND doesn't explicitly cuck any noteworthy m/m ship).
>a shojo manga protagonist he liked a lot as a teenager without realizing it, so they have the exact same backstoryIt's funny to read that he lifted this from a shojo because I noticed Nobara seemed to have her own shit going on in a way that shonen girls usually don't. She's got hobbies (fashion, Smash bros, dropping that YYH ref) and that whole Thing with her mom that while not at all relevant to the story made her seem way more real.
>>15120>>15121These are good tl;drs for the uninformed, thanks.
No.15126
>>15120>or maybe by some GiyuuTan fujos that don't like when they see her with GiyuuI ship GiyuuTan but like Shinobu. Her with Giyuu is a NOTP but only because I think it makes no sense and it's usually portrayed very OOC. Plus the fact many shippers are antis and all that shit. But I've never seen anybody hating on Mitsuri? She doesn't even 'get in the way' of any popular ships. The only female KnY character I have ever seen criticized is Nezuko for being in the box most of the time.
No.15131
>>15107half of these characters are literal shit written, they just virtue signal for characters that are bland enough to self insert.
Annie is hated for killing people and getting forgiven also, and the brown haired girl from attack on titan has never been hated df?
Also apple white? really?
Are we going to put Bloom from winx club too? Guess what Bloom was disliked too because she was unlikeable.
No.15132
>>15113>I don't know if I'm retarded or what, but I don't get this. If a female character was written poorly by a man who clearly hates women, that's what the character is. Nobody's blaming a fictional entity, so I never get why people have to clarify it's not the character's fault. That's like saying it's not Scar's fault he chose to kill Mufasa; he was just written to want to kill Mufasa. Like, yeah, when a character is being criticized, it's generally a critique of the writing. The characters do not possess independent consciousness.It is retarded.It is virtue signaling and acting like the female character is a real woman so they are defending her from the evil writer when she is literally an imaginary concept lol.
No.15134
>>15131>the brown haired girl from attack on titan has never been hated df?lol that’s Gabi not Sasha. and Gabi was hated (for understandable reasons)
No.15135
>>15134my bad I forgot a lot about snk
No.15136
Everyone is calling themselves fujos nowadays and in the same breath claiming yaoi is kweer media, where the fuck did the jo in fujo go??
No.15137
>>15126Honestly I can't give a shit about Mitsuri as a character cause she's clearly designed as coombait for the male readers.
No.15139
>>15136I’m wondering that too, those same people waxing poetic about yaoi being queer would’ve demonised fujoshis for wanting to see two anime boys getting it on (but of course, yuri fans are never given the same treatment)
>yaoi is kweer media I swear do these people even consume yaoi or is it just heartstopper shit? maybe I can say playing nitro chiral games is being a heckin ally kek. Maybe they’re calling yaoi queer now because of TIF aidens taking the yaoi larp too far.
I remember this TIF friend of mine calling fujoshi embarrassing and fetishisers (before trooning out). now she’s pretending she’s in a yaoi relationship with her bf with matching discord pfps, complete with now pretending yaoi is cool. she’s also one of those people who will watch tiktok edits of characters and then won’t bother engaging with the media they’re from beyond that. how embarrassing.
No.15140
>>15139aidens are self hating women so of course they would hate it when women like something they, as aidens, like, because it reminds the aidens that they are indeed women too and not that different from their fellow beloathed women. so, naturally, they have to police who gets to enjoy yaoi and demonize all the other evil women who are "fetishizing gay men" by enjoying yaoi. that way they can also claim to be fetishized and oppressed by those stupid, evil, gross women. too bad though because real fujos don't care AND they don't see aidens as yaoi boys either.
No.15141
>>15140>>15139Fujos need to kill one anti a day to keep the ozone clean
No.15143
>>15137She is a weird case. Editor mandated fanservice characters are a known thing and I don't hold it against the author because it seems like bare minimum from her. You have the boob window, but there isn't a single panty shot despite all the flying around she does. Only one obligatory jiggle in her introduction but zero during the fight scenes. And the side comic 'backstory' of her outfit with what looked like a clear standin for whoever the male editor was. I tend to hate obvious fanservice characters but I still like her anyway, just wish for a better design. Sometimes you get situations like Bishamonten from Noragami as well, who starts off in a bikini but then becomes much more appealing when she ends up getting much more screen time fully clothed in a suit, and then the authors (who are women) actually end up 'killing off' the bikini outfit for good (context, the outfit is a girl who transforms, and some of these characters die)
It definitely made me happy lol.
No.15144
>>15113>"it's not the character's fault! It's the writing!"This is said to dismiss character criticism by people who defend the concept of said character.
>>15136Media that features homosexuality is reflective of real representation and LGBTQ politics in the west. Or else it's bad for fetishizing gay men. See also why antishipping is so common.
No.15145
Why do those morons on reddit always like to make up shit about female characters getting heavily hated on in 2026 when I always see stans shipping the girl with the 2 dudes in polycule rubbish kek.
No.15147
>>15145more like all female characters are girlbosses according to fandomfags in 2026
No.15148
>>15147I agree sometimes the hate is too extreme but calling out poor representation of women is also important
No.15149
Spite usually helps motivate me to keep on making art every time I see some stupid anti complaining about character ages, incest ships or women liking BL. But right now I'm just kind of exhausted and it's sapping my motivation. The Voltron shit was almost 10 years ago and we're still dealing with this crap. Wonder if I will ever live in a world again where you can draw/talk about fandom shit without fearing extreme hostility unless you're in a place you know is safe.
No.15150
Not sure if unpopular opinion but I hate how anti-woke policy is bleeding into fujo territories because some stupid people feel cool patrolling as the internet cops.
Some stuff that can be seen as "representative" can indeed be boring and flat, but this about gay shit, so the lines between "just gay" and "representative gay" can be very, very thin. This is mostly about interpretation rather than official announcements.
I was already accused of being a tranny/leftyzoomer/shill/fake/othershit for liking Witch Hat, Transformers, Nakamura-kun and a bunch of video games and cartoons. Fuck off already.
Can't enjoy dark gay because it's abusive, can't enjoy open gay because it's woke, can't enjoy gay jokes because it's "not gay", can't enjoy abusive gay it's homophobic, can't enjoy masculine gay men because it's "bara shit", can't enjoy trap gay because it's fake, can't enjoy ANYTHING if the creator made just one damn twitter post in their life that suggest that they aren't a proud right winger.
Can't enjoy fucking anything that's gay because everything has to be politicizes and strawmanned to death while men and yume can proudly coom to 500 different types of garbage without anybody batting an eye.
No.15151
>>15150This problem stops existing after you close lolcow tbh.
No.15152
>>15150The tradeoff for populated ibs is that they are often full of miserable people who only like talking shit. I see that kind of posting here (very rarely) and also find it annoying. A while back I made the choice to be a little lonelier at the cost of cutting back on spaces that are too negative and I don't really regret it. Fujochan is a real blessing, even if it's kinda slow.
No.15156
>>15150You shouldn't take stuff said on imageboards too seriously.
No.15158
>>15156No, but I do agree with them that it"s frustrating how some people seem to make everything about the culture war. I don't like it when I see nothing but complaining, when I'm in a fandom space I want to see people actually talking about the series they're into not just vauge complaints about pomblematic content or whatever the fuck. Sometimes it seems like people aren't even into anime or games and just want to politicize everything.
This of course isn't the same thing as discussing what you do and don't like about a series.
>>15152I feel like part of the problem, I wish I had more overlap with people here. I love it when ai see the Transformers thread bumped since there's that real back-and-forth conversation going on.
No.15159
Lolcow's become so insufferable for fujos. The amount of fujosperging everywhere outside of the dedicated BL threads is fucking ridiculous atp, even though the anti-fujos have several containment threads of their own yet they still feel the need to bitch about us everywhere else. I can't even go into the Avatar thread anymore because the whole thing's just devolved into chimping out over one of the new character's being gay as if it's a personal attack instead of discussing literally anything else about the new series.
No.15160
>>15159Hate to externalize some of my internalized misogyny but the gossip rag nature of the site means it's full of normalfag women who love to punch down and put their fandom grievances above baseline solidarity.
>>15158>I wish I had more overlap with people hereYeah it sucks to only talk about fujo stuff in a general manner most of the time, but more specific fandom spaces are just wretched these days.
No.15161
>>15156>>15150>>15151>>15159Genuinely don't go on lolcow for any earnest fujo conversations or even any attempts to debate regarding fandom. Most of the lolcow userbase genuinely unironically believes that fujos are groomed aidens, autopedophiles (what is even this term?) or the typical excuse of "you're a cuck because you have to be attracted by default to every male character you like in media". It's pointless to talk there. Even for talking shit about other fandoms, even rightful complaints about yumes being deranged, they'll find a way to blame it on the fujos. Fujos are what trannies
and indians currently are to 4chan, it's the current boogeyman to complain about.
No.15163
>>15161I still use lc regularly but it always confuses me that such a huge part of the user base has such a hate boner for fujos. they used to just not care about it or tell fujos to go to their fujo thread but now so many discussions about fandom get derailed by fujohating anons that just have to remind everyone that they hate yaoi and fujos btw. it just doesn't make any sense to me.
No.15164
hate when yumes are assumed to be more passionate fans as opposed to shippers by default
No.15166
>>15165>pic relI'm probably in the minority here, but I don't see regular pregnancy as body horror because there is nothing "body horror" or "unnatural" about it to me, so mpreg as body horror doesn't register for me.
> it's just funny the existence of fujos makes these people contend that them liking to see solely women subjected to that bullshitIt's always the cb character that's subjected to violence and rape and the gaping vagina on the cover. It's quite telling to me
No.15167
>>15161>>15163I've given up on most ibs, even with the antifujo ragebait aside they just arent fun. Nobody on wc or lc has hobbies they actually like to talk about, they just want to rant and bait.
At least I have curated a bubble that's semi-snug.
No.15168
>>15166I'm not naive on how hard pregnancy often is on women, but this rhetoric often warps around to being misogynistic tbh
>>15167tell me about your hobbies, bl-related or not
No.15169
>>15168>but this rhetoric often warps around to being misogynistic tbhIt certainly does. I am very aware, and most women are too, that pregnancy is not easy and its a dangerous, vulnerable moment especially during labor. However to consider it repulsive, body horror, or whatever buzzwords people like to use to describe just gives me the impression of mockery towards women.
How dare you be a lower being and get pregnant? Doesn't that trigger you? How can you accept this parasite? Are you stupid?Medically speaking, yes it is quite parasitic, but that doesn't mean it's unnatural or disgusting either.>>15167I love that little hamu. Such a cutie glutton in the arms of that bishie ♥
No.15170
>>15165>picRetards and kinksters will generalize. They wouldn't be retards and kinksters otherwise.
>>15166>hereMore power to you but I doubt this is the only place that can't see mpreg as something natural.
No.15171
>>15165Did they forget somehow that women are aggressively sexualized everywhere and so yaoi exists? So called radfems should be defending this
No.15172
>>15171No you don't understand anon if there's no women present it's automatically misogynistic
No.15173
>>15171I saw a radfem criticize yaoi fans for being "obsessed with male pleasure" and that it was misogynistic by "valuing men over women". Just mad that women are being turned on by men at all I guess
No.15174
>>15173a lot of radfems think that yaoi is evil because so many tifs cite yaoi as their reason for trooning out or claim that they discovered their gender through reading yaoi. it's kind of like how boomers think that violent video games turn people into school shooters.
No.15175
>>15170>more power to you but I doubt this is the only place that can't see mpreg as something natural.Nowhere did I state I view mpreg as natural. And of course it is not, I'm saying that I do not view it as body horror because pregnancy (as IRL pregnancy that only females can experience, ffs I feel I shouldn't have to explain this yet I do) isn't body horror to me because it a natural thing that can happen to a woman. I don't know any other way to phrase it other than it doesn't bother me. I'm not into mpreg but I'm not vomiting profusely if I encounter it in the wild, unlike CB and trannyshit. Believe it or not mpreg is ancient compared to ABO and trannies.
No.15176
I just can't take anyone trying to apply politics to fiction seriously anymore, which sucks because political ideas CAN be explored in fiction but internet tards seem unable to see anything beyond politics ever. Literally find some joy in your life, what is this mental illness?
No.15177
>>15176i wouldn't mind if people talked about how authors or their works are influenced by real life cultural or political events since i personally think that is so fascinating but unfortunately it always devolves into "author x portrays y therefore author x supports y and is problematic/evil." i'm a literature major in grad school and so many of my classmates don't know of the death of the author. we will discuss books about, idk, a character becoming radicalized online, and they'll claim that the author portrays getting radicalized online in a positive light. or that the main character is the author and everything is biographical or something so therefore the book is written by a radicalized chud and we should boycott this author and shouldn't have read the book in the first place. it's exhausting.
No.15178
>>15176Everything is political now, nona. You can't ever get a break from it, even in your hobbies
No.15179
>>15171> women are aggressively sexualized everywhere and so yaoi existsYaoi is a fantasy for women to assert sexual agency in a way that doesn’t benefit heterosexual men; you’d think radfems would be more supportive but a lot of them have massive hangups over women having sexual desires. Yes, part of it is justified since female sexuality has always been co-opted in the name of benefiting men but my issue is that for such a “radical” group, they do not suggest or support new ways for women to have sexual autonomy free from men. No, political lesbianism doesn’t count since it’s basically reverse conversion therapy. They expect women to be asexual, even the lesbians they put on a pedestal. This - along with the average behavior on LC - is IMO one (among many others) of the major flaws about radical feminism and why it cannot have a larger impact.
No.15180
>>15173I think hetshipping is being obsessed with male pleasure more and they don't criticize it
No.15181
>>15163It's because of newfags who came to lc because they thought it was a radfem terf safe space and not a nerdy gossip imageboard made by people from /cgl/, as in, weaboos.
No.15182
>>15181I noticed this trend in lc too, I can see how it attracts radfems because of the trans threads. otherwise, I see anons criticising other users for participating in gossip culture (because they think it is misogynistic) as if the point of lolcow isn’t a gossip board. how those anons interpreted it as a radfem space is beyond me.
No.15183
>>15159Ia the avatar show worth the fujobait because the lc thread is HOLY FUCK levels of seething right now
No.15184
>>15183all I see is comparisons to voltron on twitter kek i didn't know the new character was gay
No.15186
>>15183For me personally: "gay couple right off the bat no speculation no build up no climax" is very low tier fujobait, to the point where I'd even call it repellent.
No.15187
>>15183I hear the actual show is nothing special so far but they are literally seething over a kiss on the cheek, it's fucking embarrassing. Some radfems are even trying to cry that it's "lesbophobic" because Korrasami only got to hold hands while the gay male couple gets a kiss on the cheek, ignoring the fact that Korra was released before gay marriage was legal nationwide in America and it was censored.
No.15188
>>15182Yes they do that all the time on /ot/, it's baffling. I've seen plenty of anons talking about they hate anything Japanese, they hate anime, they're sick of seeing anime style pictures, etc. as well. Like where do they think they are?
No.15189
>>15183I wouldn't even call it fujobait. It's literally the most harmless, milquetoast, child-friendly ~queer representation~ to ever exist. I do think the designs for the gay character and his boyfriend are pretty cute, so hopefully in the future their relationship will become more interesting, but as of right now they're basically just a side thing. Which makes the seething on LC even more ridiculous, because seriously? They're all bitching over *that*? Some of them unironically sound like conservitards freaking out over the mere existence of gay people with the way they're acting like the gay couple has completely hijacked the entire show when so far they've had like, less than 5 minutes total of screentime together.
No.15190
>>15189Radfems are just incels but women, both have a lot in common. Only difference is that radfems think they're morally superior.
No.15191
>>15190The seething isn't really radfems, just extremely bitter yumes who feel like they got cucked out of a bishie because he's canonically gay. Funny how they can easily ignore canon female LIs but go apoplectic at male ones.
No.15193
>>15191>yumesThat explains it, lots of yumes are insane.
No.15194
>>15192Voltron never truly died.
No.15199
Yumes ranting about yaoi and fujos then acting like it was just joking. That they aren't actually seething in the inside. Ha ha so funny!!
No.15200
>>15183yumes gonna yume i guess.
They see two hot dudes and be like noooo
No.15201
>>15159The most frustrating part is that the mods barely give a shit and I'm sure some of them tripdrop and anonymously partake in the infights because sometimes the antifujo shitflinging gets to go on for hours despite filing multiple reports but the moment you say shit about yuri or hetslop you get banned and redtexted in less than 20 seconds. Not to mention how both yume/yuri milk threads got immediately banned and locked because "they invited infighting" before finally allowing them on /m/ for some reason (probably because it's the least popular board after /w/) yet at the same time antifujo spergery gets two hugbox threads. Year in year out it's the same kind of "fujos are all porn addicted troon eggs and pedophiles into shota" narrative and then you go to the husbando/waifufag thread in /g/ to see the most miserable kind of yumefaggotry possible.
No.15202
>>15175> I feel I shouldn't have to explain thisIt's best you don't. Thinking you're in the minority for not seeing pregnancy as body horror and unnatural is wild enough. Associating pregnancy (as in not the fetish) with mpreg to discuss about a stupid fetish is a rabbit hole, and what the retards in that pic are already doing. You don't need to go there.
No.15203
>>15190>incels don't think they are morally superior to womenI don't know about that, boss.
>>15199They're ranting about their usual boogeyman (fujos) because they can't screech about the gays without exposing themselves or getting harassed. Calling the wet noodles someone's posted above fujobait, when it reeks of corpo-approved slop and queer representation, is to their advantage.
No.15205
>>15202When I said perhaps I am in the minority, it was done as a phrase. Such as "am I the only one who…" I'm kind of confused that you're focusing on that? Perhaps it's a sign I've been seeing too many odd opinions online, but still, I don't think I'm truly a minority. Regardless, I'll stop.
No.15206
>>15188oh my god i also notice that. i didnt know they were the (bad) radfem types, i just thought they were weebs who are trying to distance themselves from anime kek.
No.15208
>>15181>>15182The neurotic fujo hatred is a relatively new trend on Lolcow, I've been on the site since it's inception and I first started seeing it when the radfem migrates came in around 5-ish years ago or so. Then came the mentally ill yumes, kiwi refugees and nutty personalityfags like paki-chan and yuripedo who average like 500 posts a second whenever an infight gets instigated. A lot of these people relate to each other on the venn diagram via chud beliefs and conservatism since the so called "radfems" are often just garden variety right wing tradfems and/or chudettes who wear the mantle to get a free pass to seethe about whatever they can slip under the tranny boogeyman umbrella. Fujos are trannies because they're Aidens who troon out. Gays and lesbians are trannies because they're degenerates who try to larp as the opposite sex. Other women are all misogynistic tranny handmaidens so they should get axed too. Immigrants are somehow related to trannies as well. Tranny this and tranny that.
Ironically enough the people they seem to hate the least are white straight moids who they should by all metrics be considering their biggest threat, but because they either want to get picked or think putting down other women grants them brownie points, they couldn't care less. A lot of the time when a farmer is unmasked she turns out to be some kind of an antisocial loser with weapons grade autism so I'm not at all surprised that they seethe at fujos specifically, either because they're emasculating their husbando by making him into a disgusting faggot or by having their own fun, creative girls club the NLOG isn't a part of.
No.15209
>>15202It's crazy to read this, and also disheartening for someone that got pregnant last year.
No.15210
>>15209I hope you had a safe delivery, nona
No.15211
>>15205No, it's just my bad English and inattention. Checking the chain of reply would have confirmed that.
> To think that you're part of a minority just because you don't view pregnancy as a bordy horror or something abnormal is, etc No.15212
>>15200A lot of them literally can not enjoy fiction without self-inserting. They see fujos consuming yaoi as us mentally role-playing as men.
No.15213
>>15211Meant for this
>>15209 My turn to stop since my head is not in the game.
No.15214
>>15151It's also on /a/. Was never on LC to begin with besides a few years ago for two weeks and it was unironically worse than even 4chan and also a hivemind. 4chan can be great or shit, depending on the time you post, the thread and basically of one of the resident shizos join. LC felt like it was 80% shizos and half of them projected their issues with their ex and/or his new gf onto every other user of that board.
No.15215
>>15158>I feel like part of the problem, I wish I had more overlap with people here. I love it when ai see the Transformers thread bumped since there's that real back-and-forth conversation going on.Same. Maybe I should post more often there too. It's one of the rare fujo things that are popular enough to live forever and feel bad for not drawing anything for two years. I always feel more productive when I draw fanart of things I love. A feeling my jobs have never given me lmao
No.15216
>>15158Yeah I think that one of the best traits of FC is how aware everybody here is that it's just fiction and that ultimately that's fine as long as you have fun. From the perspective of a dudebro or addicted coomer everything containing gay is "woke" anyway, because the very desire to pander women is already woke by itself to such people. It's less about the content and more about hatred that's caused by the realisation that media isn't solely made for "you" (aka: them).
Gay shit is so alienating to most people that FC is pretty much safe and chill.
I also noticed that the best method to get rid of shitposters on /a/, /co/ and such is to post gay shipping fanart while talking. The haters can only look at so many gay artworks before getting a meltdown and leaving and the dudes and women who stay are chill.
No.15218
I really hate the stupid double standards people have towards fujos vs hetshippers. Recently I saw people shipping Aang and the villain from the ALTA movie. Just because of some people being annoying and one fanart where someone made the villain bigger than Aang, some hetshippers started to screech about how evil yaoi is and the typical anti-fujo rhetoric about how we're racist and sexist although hetshippers do similar things all the time. They just seethe over fujos. I even saw some denying the fact that hetshippers often do the things they accuse us of doing. This ship wasn't even popular, but they still get pissed over the slightest hint of yaoi.
No.15219
>>15191Because they can self insert as the female lis even though they're also different characters and are far more likely to be in the way, they're just in denial of it.
No.15220
>>15208I saw the absolutely shitshow in meta, and I cannot understand where they're getting these "fujos have gotten worse! They get away with everything!" rhetoric they keep spouting. Frankly it all just sounds like a discord raid of antifujos pretending to be both sides.
No.15221
>>15220Oftentimes the most inflammatory "fujos" there are people who spam "well I like watching men get raped so I'm the more based feminist here" which really makes me question if it's actual fujos and not just hetfags into male ryona.
No.15222
>>15150the solution is to stop caring and only have an online friend circle of like 5 people and close yourself off from fandom otherwise. The age of making fandom friends is dead.
No.15223
>>15107Misa is a female character created by a misogynist. She should be hated instead of coddled.
>>15085idk most of the annoying fucktards that complain about yaoi like that are white kids with little to no issues irl otherwise.
No.15224
>>15223> idk most of the annoying fucktards that complain about yaoi like that are white kids with little to no issues irl otherwise.seconded. or else theyre just very westernised which is honestly indistinguishable from the average westerner online
No.15226
>>15225
forget image for ants, this is an image for bacteria.
No.15229
>>15107>overhated female charactersso where have all these ppl been in the ranma fandom?
or is a female character being hated by other female characters stans ok?
>>15226oops
No.15230
>>15229>hating on ShampooOnly Akanefags are this hypocritical.
No.15231
>>15230exactly.
Where are all the moralfags talking about how misogynistic it is to want to watch a female character die?
No.15234
>>15161>>15163Most of them are yumes and they defend being a yume as part of being a real woman, but not being a fujo. It's always yume seethe.
>>15216Look at the Malfoid trend. You have straight moids talking about how it's the natural nature of a woman to become submissive to a man, but you don't see any of these people going after these guys, they only seethe at fujos.
No.15236
Moralfujos tire me like stop they already dislike you and you're not one of the 'good ones' pick me
No.15238
Harry is a pretty spoiled bland character who ends up getting what he wants because he's so cool and the world revolves around him
No.15239
>>15236I don't know why fujos felt the need to moralfag over ships over the years quite frankly. I know that everyone always had their squicks even during the times of kinkmemes, but most people left it at "not my thing" and kept it at that. Why was there a need to go "ERMM YOUR AGE GAP SHIP IS LITERALLY PEDOPHILIA AND IF YOU ALLOW IT TO BE SHIPPED YOU ARE GROOMING PEOPLE BY PROXY". It's not as if there haven't been cases of "grooming" done by women, but the likelyhood of this happening is still lesser than men. It's one thing to say someone's OTP is shit because of X and Y reasons like not being a good ship, bad chemistry, whatever, but moral reasons? Seriously? I never understood this mentality. There are things I wouldn't ship but I wouldn't go "everyone who ships this is a rapist pedophile"
No.15241
>>15239Because regular shipwars behavior like calling a ship or character garbage and moving on became "problematic" and "yucking someone's yum“, but you can't stop people from hating so they devised this moral ruler to engage in politically correct haterisms.
No.15242
>>15236The ones who cave in by pretending to like gl ships or simp for irrelevant female characters especially are so cringe like just stop it man.
No.15243
>>15239Tumblr is totally unusable now since neither do I want to tag proship and be associated with lolicons nor stand bad faith kweer white knights inventing reasons fujos are evil
No.15244
>>15236>>15239If this is a response to my post
>>15233 heads up, I'm not an anti. It's just a new type of annoying online personality who obsesses over proship as being offensive and disgusting as they can imagine as a fuck you. All they do is talk about shit, gore and lolicon instead of just not caring who ships what.
No.15245
>>15244I get you, I hate these types of people too. personally I don't care about age gap or incest being problematic and I really like it. but I can't stand the ones that then try to make the ship as edgy as humanly possible because they want to like everything that makes "antis" mad. it's so difficult to find others who are cool about your fave ships when instead of just enjoying what they like they are dead set on being as contrarian as possible.
No.15246
>>15244Oh nah, I'm the second quote but I also hate those types of people too. I've complained about it in the past before in several threads. There's no balance between simply liking ships that happen to be problematic anymore, you have to name yourself cockpissrapist and talk 24/7 about whatever edgy fantasy you can put into a character in an almost performative way. I feel like new fandom kids basically just have two paths in life, either they're antis that get moral OCD for literally anything or they become ultra super edgy kids retweeting pictures of self harm and going "this is (shipname) btw" or shit like that.
It's the people who take 'proship' mentality a little too seriously, too political or needing to be as much of a 'freak' as possible. It's fine if you're a bit of a weirdo yourself but it's different when some people just make it their entire personality.
No.15247
>>15242I feel ya nonna, liking female characters don't have to be too exaggerated as if they were on drugs or seething.
What annoy me is 'nobody should hate (insert female character)!'
Would that make people hate her even more due to obnoxious fans forced anyone to like their waifu?
No.15248
>>15247they will literally call you an incel if you hate a female character that they deem is worth protecting.
No.15250
>>15229> is a female character being hated by other female characters stans ok?Yes.
Fujos can't, but hetshippers/yumes can hate all female characters they want, even when they are obviously vitriolic about it.
No.15251
>>15250I suppose they think that a woman hating another woman over a man is more acceptable than a woman hating another woman just because.
No.15252
I'm done with xitter radfems. All of them are anti-fujos and spread nothing but lies.
No.15253
>>15252they are often extremely pick-me and male-obsessed by their own standards anyways. or they get bored and become a trad catholic larper
No.15254
>>15252the irony is these TERFS are male centered but in another way where they're obsessed with their hatred of them. Idc about them either, but making it your whole personality is pathetic
No.15255
>>15252Who are more obsessed with het couples than wlw ones lmao
No.15256
>>15252It wasn’t the anti-fujo stance that did it for me, but how judgmental they are to other women - even those with similar stances - who don’t live up to their ideological purity standards. Blackpillers on LC are one thing since they’re a mentally ill lot. Go on Vexxed, clovenhooves or any other non-LC radfem site and you’ll find tons of extreme opinions that are just condescending to women. According to some of them, wearing makeup is always for the purpose of making yourself fuckable to moids and dressing up makes you a magnet for moid attention, hence it’s your fault if you get sexually harassed. Ironically, their insane ideological purity standards end up taking autonomy away from women. So if women can’t enjoy the few by women, for women hobbies like EGL fashion (you’re pandering to pedos) or yaoi (you’re centering men) then what can you enjoy?
No.15257
>>15250I've seen women who like characters such as sakura and aerith shitting on other female characters before so the idea that it's only fujos who do this is bs.
>>15255And even that would be considered male centered by their logic, sometimes otome also catches flak simply because it's focused on men as well.
>>15256> Ironically, their insane ideological purity standards end up taking autonomy away from womenThis, you genuinely can't do anything atp without them accusing you of being a cum-gurgling pickme.
No.15258
>>15257It is male-centered but you can tell by the way they talk about shipping & fandom they don't actually care for yuri / lesbian ships and it's just performative or the few titular wlw ships (MadoHomu, UtenaAnthy, etc.). They just keep their actual fandom interests separate from that specific twitter account because they know it would put them as hypocrites. Heck I've seen some of them rag on ships like MiziSua & Vivinos (whose SSA and in a relationship with another female animator) for not fitting their purity standards.
No.15259
>>15257I think the broad cause of all of this is people thinking of fictional characters as real people. If you don't like Sakura, that means you hate real women. If you like yaoi, that means you're obsessed with real men. There isn't a line between fiction and reality anymore.
No.15261
>>15256Just recently I came across a japanese tweet about enjoying bl because there is a separation between the characters and herself and all the comments were bashing her as antiwoman and saying that if she didn't want to see women hurt she'd be reading yuri.
Not even trying to recommend series, not even pretending to be nice, just "read yuri you misogynistic retard".
No.15262
>>15261the "straight/male leaning bi women should read/produce yuri instead of yaoi" argument never makes sense to me. why should anyone like anything they don't like. I agree that broadening your horizons is good but if you simply don't like yuri (which is often made by gross moid yuributas anyway) it just isn't for you. the same crowd will reeeeee if a straight woman writes yuri or plays a lesbian in a movie because she's totes stealing gay roles from gay people. you can't win with these people. this is why I just do whatever I want and refuse to give a fuck about woke brownie points by reading shit that isn't interesting to me.
No.15263
>>15262They say the reason they don't like it is "because they're lesbophobic" and they need to stop being lesbophobic. Just completely ignoring that women attracted to men like romance/erotica to see people they're attracted to get romantic/sexual and if they like men they're gonna want it with men in it. Any time I've seen them be confronted with this point they say some version of "You can't just be motivated by lust, that's icky".
No.15264
>>15261> if she didn't want to see women hurt she'd be reading yuriAh yes, I almost forgot to mention the massive hangup radfems have over female sexuality. Makes sense for the group who thinks they can reverse conversion therapy themselves into becoming lesbian.
Do they also not realize that yuri as a genre exists largely because of mens’ Madonna-whore complexes? Women read yaoi to escape from the tyranny of being female; men read yuri to not see their waifus defiled by other men - why else would all women casts exist?
No.15265
>>15259Correct, that or either identifying with them too much, you can see this with Mel from Arcane as well, they think people are shipping yaoi to spite her.
No.15266
>>15259they also get hungup on the potential of characters instead of the actual canon characters.
>>15261why do women need to pretend to like yuri when a straight man would laugh at people demanding he read yaoi and tell them to fuck off? yuri isn't some magically more enlightened genre than yaoi
No.15267
>>15265Doesn't Jace break up with her in canon anyways? Like even the show isn't shipping them, why should I get them back together?
No.15270
>>15263unfortunately I am icky and motivated by lust. lust for hot anime boys kissing and fucking.
No.15275
>>15255>>15265reminder that this is what a hetshipper/yume said on lolcow about it.
They genuinely think if you don't self insert you can't enjoy a ship.
No.15277
>>15275Kek why would the absence of women in a genre focusing on men be unsettling. It's not a surprise these people constantly accuse fujos of being misogynistic/future aidens since they're basically projecting their own tendencies onto everyone else. I also like how she claims that being a yume is more "feminist" but then goes off on how it's wrong to like yaoi.
No.15279
>>15275>not natural for you nor are you includedkek I'm not thinking about myself at all times. It is impossible for a fictional character to love you or to be included.
>watching from afar is creepyWatching from afar??? They aren't fucking real! We aren't watching real people from an alternate dimension. These are fictional concepts in our heads. Actual mental illness.
No.15280
>>15275Does this person self-insert into everything she watches/reads? It's more weird to me that someone needs to feel personally "included" all the time instead of just enjoying characters and stories as they're presented which is separate of you.
No.15282
Reading your comments, I realized that most fujoshi are indeed misogynists. Do you even know what a radical feminist means? Do you really think these are women who say, “It’s your own fault if you were harassed?” No, radical feminists don’t say that. You’re really behaving like incels. radical feminists acknowledge the influence of patriarchy on standards of female beauty. And yes, if someone says that watching lesbian porn is feminism… Then congratulations, you’re dealing with a pixel feminist who, in 90 % of cases, is either an incel or a resentful lesbian who’s sad that her waifu isn’t worshipped.
No.15283
>>15282You could have said this in a much less bait "please get mad aaah" way by simply saying "I think you guys are mistaken, those aren't really radfem."
Are people genuinely this socially retarded? Do they know how to speak to someone without going "you are a MISOGYNIST and BASICALLY AN INCEL" because someone else took a tweet that said they were radfem at their word?
No.15284
>>15280I've seen several people say exactly that. They straight up self insert into every single thing they read/watch. Its so bizarre, and the worse part is that these types of people are increasing in number and more and more media is opting to cater to them with bland wish-fulfillment rather than invest in genuine stories since those take more effort. Lowest common denominator is going to drag everything down to their level.
No.15285
>>15282What do I call them then, just radfem LARPers? My meaning is the same, I obviously was not referring to the kind of women who participate in soup kitchens & support groups for female victims, but the chronically online type. How is it misogynistic to take a women at her word lmao and use the terms she uses to identify herself, and anyways I doubt most of these accounts are lesbians anyways so your comments about the hypothetical mean lesbian is strange. Many of these women are bisexual at most, they're polilez.
No.15286
>>15282Are you the anon that lurks here and screenshots posts for LC's fujocoomer thread?
No.15287
Yes, I’m socially retarded, and you’re just retarded. You say nonsense without even thinking. You’re no different from incelsyou even use their slang.
No.15288
>>15287>Yes, I’m socially retardedEverything after that is just you continuing to be socially retarded.
No.15289
Translation from rude bitch:
>"Sorry, I did probably overreact to everything. That being said, I still think some of the language went too far. I don't think its right to sweep everything negative said under the term radfem when it can give the movement a bad name, even if the accounts call themselves that."
No.15290
>>15275You don't understand you have to self insert as y/n or you can't enjoy a romantic fiction
>>15264Many internet feminists are in denial over this
What happened to liking bishies I wonder? Now all they do is navelgazing and demand anime males should be hairier instead because it's pedophilia otherwise. While the entire hollywood industry has women get skinnier, completely hairless body and inject botox
No.15291
>>15282is behaving like an incel just having the non mainstream opinion at this point lmao?
I am so tired of people thinking a woman has to have a b and c opinion in order to be respected as a woman, and it's ironic how you can't see this is real misogyny, wanting women to have all the same opinion and be carbon copies of one another.
No.15292
>>15253And this is a fact. I used to run in radfem circles before being completely disillusioned with how conservative and hardcore NLOG many of them were and just call myself a normie feminist now. Most of the fujo hatred is genuinely just thinly veiled homophobia and femcel-like seething of having ships that don't have a female character because as much as they love to claim feminist beliefs they still want a woman to be given a prince as a prize. Two male characters means that two female characters are left without their princes. There's a reason why the radfem to tradfem pipeline exists, they're donning the radfem costume to seethe about other women until they themselves get picked.
>>15256>So if women can’t enjoy the few by women, for women hobbies like EGL fashion (you’re pandering to pedos) or yaoi (you’re centering men) then what can you enjoy?Honestly, this is what I always wondered. So many of them are simply miserable and don't have many hobbies or interests because they're neurotic over everything being seen as non-radfem compliant and problematic. Much of them call themselves "ex-cultists" who "got rid of the gender brainwashing when they found radical feminism" only to move on to a new in-group that spends their energy being the quintessential moral police rather than building solidarity and a safety net between women. Ironically enough, fujo circles have always been the most feminist communities in my entire life - fully female, welcoming, open minded, supporting each other. My best friends are fujos I've known for half of my life and we have each others' backs through thick and thin and no man has ever come between us.
>>15261>if she didn't want to see women hurt she'd be reading yuri.I know they're arguing in completely bad faith but out of curiosity, just what the hell is the logic here?
No.15293
>>15275You can sense the barely contained rage and disgust in this post and it's a perfect example of this "if an attractive male exists without a woman then there's a woman somewhere without a man to fulfill her and the women who like it this way are taking away my resources and thus are my competition and enemies" mindset. It's like female cuckold anxiety.
>>15280I've honest to god seen people on Lolcow argue that you can't enjoy media without self insertion and that there's no point in enjoying a romantic relationship if you can't imagine yourself in it because that's "being a cuckquean". Mental illness.
>>15282What in schizo ESL word salad posting is this
No.15294
I don't like this insurgence of hatred towards a/b/o dynamics I think Andrew Tate has something to do with this
No.15295
The way antis think fujoshis are misogynistic because they ship males makes me think they find siscon coomers who like yuri as heckin feminist. Which makes majority of straight male and tims.
Somehow going all the way backwards and calling your enemies your friends. Since they don't know how to differentiate between sexual desire and fondness maybe they also think women who hookup or have/had multiple relationships with males as pickmes. Such simpletons, mostly tweens too.
No.15296
>>15282I was a radfem but seeing radfems easily hate fujoshi for fuck reason made me side with them. Sorry find another reason to radfemly hate other women maybe i'll reconsider oh wait I won't because i don't hate "strange" and "outcast" women like you do
No.15298
>>15294I just hate them because it puts breeding kink in yaoi. I was hoping to escape that with same-sex pairings
No.15299
>>15298i feel the same about the alpha and omega stuff nona. i also dont like mpreg in general so that may be why i also dont like a/b/o.
No.15300
>>15294ABO is hated because it's dogshit.
No.15301
>>15294I hate it since it ignores the character dynamics and just seems like a lazy way to get two characters to have sex. "Oh his heat started and the alpha fucks him." Yawn.
No.15303
>>15301I like it since finally an alpha woman can make an omega man pregnant, also it's satisfying seeing an uke suffer instead of a woman
No.15304
>>15303The scenario you're talking about accounts for less than 1% of all omegaverse content.
No.15305
>>15303practically nobody writes this, nona.omegaverse is just another excuse to turn BL into cuntboy het
No.15307
>>15305Not everything is trans ideology
No.15308
>>15304This, I also don't give a fuck about het, I like men, Omegaverse is a lazy PWP factory that has very little to do with the characters I enjoy reading about.
No.15309
I will never forgive omegaverse for growing onto kemonomimi works like a tumor. It's not even that I hate pheromones or heat, but I hate mpreg.
No.15311
>>15294My take has always been that omegaverse is just an excuse to write rape fetish or mpreg fetish stuff, it serves the purpose of having a built in explaination for why you're writing that and I think it became so popular because just writing non-con, dub-con or mpreg as is started to be seen as "cringe" or "problematic". Honestly there's some original BL omegaverse manga I enjoy but for the most part it's run its course, especially in fanfics. On the other hand, I respect fujos that just straight up make male characters pregnant because it's their kink and they can, yaoi boys aren't real men and can have magical self-lubricating assholes and stuff. I only really draw a line at cuntboy fetishists because removing their dicks just turns it into a completely different thing altogether, the same way I don't consider futashit real yuri.
>>15310Whenever I see that picture I always wonder how the original artist feels about that drawing becoming a meme…
No.15312
>>15311>I always wonder how the original artist feels kek, me too. probably very embarrassed. i remember when i was a teenager (maybe 15/16?) and i wrote some slightly dark/edgy fanfic. didn't think much of it but when i went back to the family computer the next day (showing my age here, kek) i had a ton of comments from people making fun of me for writing something so cringe and edgy.
No.15314
>>15311I find the concept of abo/omegaverse in general to be retarded and I don't get how people can unironically find men getting pregnant appealing. Like at that point I would just look at het content and even then I'd rather pregnancy not be present to begin with.
No.15316
>>15314>I don't get how people can unironically find men getting pregnant appealingAside from the fankid/trad family obsessed women, it honestly is just a fetish, nothing more nothing less. It's not really talked about because most people perceive weird fetishes to be autistic male territory but I don't think it's a stretch to say mpreg is to certain female autists what furry inflation feet art is to certain male autists. Honestly what really annoys me are omegaverse tropes being shoved in the most random fics just to rehash old tropes (fated pairs are just soulmate aus, pheromones which are just an excuse to write dub-con/non-con etc.), again, I think it's gotten real stale and I do hope it eventually dies down.
>>15312That reminds me that I used to be a very dumb child on the internet and after I deleted my old accounts I had a brief phase where I would look up my old usernames on google and on lolcow websites out of fear lmao I guess that's why I feel bad whenever silly fanart breaches containment like that
No.15317
>>15316I wish there was more fuck or die or fucking for convenience's sake, like in a fantasy setting where sex is necessary or the preferred method to replenish magic energy or to heal injuries or something. there were so many ffxv kink meme fills about this. even naruto fics back in the day had this trope pretty often.
No.15318
ABO should have died the moment the hetties got a hold of it and started publishing it in their hetslop books actual companies greenlit. Ever since then, the male omegas began to have actual pussies instead of the weird bifurcating intestines from their anuses. Once the straggots take things, they begin to invade the fujo space and start calling vaginas gay and heckin' male and ruin things.
No.15319
>>15295I think people ignore how Tims are a huge reason why there's so much anti fujo sentiment coming from yurifags. They have the same interests they did when they were incel moids, but slap a trans flag on an anime girl and now it's woke to call fujos male centered dick suckers.
No.15320
>>15319We need to do something about tims. All this hate towards sparks of tomorrow is also 4trans doing
No.15321
>>15320There is an actual civil war going on between TIMs and TIFs on tumblr right now. We can probably see the effects of this trickle down to other social media within maybe a year or two, and then it will seep into IRL spaces from there. The death warrant on trannyism is already out, it's just gonna take some time for it to really kick into gear.
No.15322
>>15321Considering that trannyism in its current form originated and trickled down from tumblr, I pray that you're right. Hopefully the LGB takes the hint to get the fuck out of there because of how radioactive the T is.
No.15323
>>15295fujos can't be useful to any of these groups so they are hated.
Moids want female sexualization so they hate bl, trannies and hyperwoke handmaidens want bl to be basically not bl anymore so they hate it, and political lesbian radfems want fujos to not be into men anymore, but are fine with yumes and hetshippers since both of them are easily manipulated and always self insert into escapist fantasies about their husbandos while fujos are more likey to actually date irl.
No.15327
>>15321>There is an actual civil war going on between TIMs and TIFs on tumblr right nowDid you screencap some examples? I'm intrigued. The most infighting I've seen in the past back when I was still on tumblr was:
>Uuuurgh testosterone is such poison.>Erm ackshually I'm on T right now so that's offensive. No.15329
>>15321I took a peek out of curiosity and even I, an oldfag, could barely follow the arguments amidst the jargon. TIFs are calling out “AMABs”….so basically men? So close yet so far. The tide can’t turn fast enough.
>>15323> political lesbian radfems want fujos to not be into men anymore, but are fine with yumes and hetshippers since both of them are easily manipulated and always self insert into escapist fantasiesTbf the polilez radfems are a minority from the past and they’re ridiculed by other radfems. Most radfems also hate heterosexual romance since it’s still centering a man. There’s tons of valid criticisms of het romance but at the end of the day het romance and yaoi are two different sides of the same coin; it’s just different methods of escapism. Radfems are so anti-fun they don’t even want other women to have entertainment where good things happen to women (het) or women don’t need to deal with being women (yaoi).
No.15330
>>15327The entire thing is on LC's tumblr transfeminists thread in /snow/.
No.15332
>>15294I don't hate it but I remember when Roe v Wade got over turned it really soured me to it for a bit. Personally I haven't seen alot of hate for it but from experience I think it's partly just because more people are learning about it and getting yucked out by it for the first time as fandom continues to broaden as it has been
No.15333
IMO the reason omegaverse is so polarizing is because it’s one of those tropes that’s easy to mess up. With a capable writer, it can genuinely be thought provoking but with a mediocre or shitty writer it’s basically heterosexuality 2.0.
It should have stayed an obscure LJ kink meme fanfic trope, not a whole genre open to scrutiny from outsiders.
No.15336
Anyone fucking tired of this queerplatonic bullshit popping out recently between homo couples
No.15337
>>15336I will never understand what the hell queerplatonic even means. Just friends who are gay? Is that it? It's called FRIENDS. They're your fucking friends and couples are couples because they're in a romantic relationship. Fucking hate the gendies so much
No.15338
>>15336>>15337Supposedly the actual meaning of this is people living like a couple but not romantically involved. I.e raising kids together, owning house together. The funny thing is that het marriages who no longer fuck but haven't divorced are functionally living the same way. How common actual 'queerplatonic' relationships are I have no idea but someone always pops up to say they're an example. In practice with fandom this is just used to get rid of icky gay by people with hangups usually similar to acefic.
No.15339
>>15336I permanently filter out all writers who use this as a tag.
So you want a world where literally everyone is gay. Fine. But having that stupid tag reeks of performative activism and attention grabbing
No.15340
>>15338>Supposedly the actual meaning of this is people living like a couple but not romantically involved. I.e raising kids together, owning house together.So a thing that never happens.
>>15337It's like those people who call themselves asexual and have sex. New gen is obsessed to find terms to be "queer".
No.15341
Sometimes I can't even jork to it I just consume bl out of spite, knowing some moid is seething over it
No.15342
>>15341Is it weird to never have masturbated to yaoi? I had no idea other fujos did that until I found this site.
No.15343
>>15342I used to, but over time I just stopped masturbating in general. Guess I'm not a horny teen anymore lol.
People talk all the time about performative purity, but I truly do just prefer sfw BL works. I tend to zone out of H-scenes unless there is something character-wise happening.
No.15344
reposting or drawing art of the same characters but always claiming it's found family or best friends, sure jan
No.15345
>>15343I feel like I'm slowly going in this direction as well, I started reading fanfic with G and T ratings for the first time in my life. I just don't care about the smut unless it's doing character work, even a longing look is more stimulating to me now. I've been off SSRIs for a while and thought things would improve but I'm actually less horny now than when I was on them (which is saying much because I already only masturbated a few times a year when I was on meds).
No.15346
>>15342I don't either. For me it's more of a heart stimulant.
No.15347
>>15345Opposite happened for me
I was all about G-K+ for years and hated any kind of smut. It was upsetting trying to find anything that wasn't based on romance at all.
Then I hit a threshold around late college and suddenly the idea of reading anything below M is the most undesirable experience. I'll only read something T rated if it's by an author I like. And I mean love.
I never really liked doujinshi all that much but when I read it as a teen, I loved all the sfw fluff. If I had to experience a 20 page sfw doujin or a 900 word smut piece, I would choose smut. It isn't even for the sake of masturbating I just dislike the lack of heavy physical stakes.
No.15348
>>15342Not weird at all, lots of fujos like lots of different BL for lots of different reasons
I'm a little surprised you didn't know other fujos did it considering some of the BL/fanfic out there that's basically just porn lol
No.15350
>>15349>QPRAnd it's just someone who wouldn't dismiss me as to not traumadump on her
No.15351
>>15341I don't consume bl out of spite since I've always been a horndog but it is funny knowing that it makes moids uncomfy. Tbh it's much more satisfying seeing them seethe over series with attractive men in it (lads, jjk, etc.) or just hot fictional guys in general rather than gay hentai specifically.
No.15352
>>15343Yeah. I don't mind smut if it's well written or well drawn, but I vastly prefer the more plotty parts of the story. I can go on any hentai site and watch yaoi, but I can't find interesting characters and dynamics just anywhere.
No.15353
>>15352The more smut I read the more bored by common tropes I get. If there's no dialog at all or very little I'll probably scroll past. So I'm much more interested in plot these days as well.
No.15354
damn, i feel like a crazy horndog in here because yeah, i love yaoi, i love r18 yaoi and i love jorking to it. of course i can appreciate stories without porn too but i largely consume this stuff because i want to watch hot men fuck for my viewing pleasure. i was over the whole family friendly "censored r18 handholding while blushing shyly" stuff when i was like 14, kek.