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>>10865Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.13063
>>13052>Who hates Nene though? Me, she ruins the superior BL ship and I dropped the manga because of her. I never saw anyone else hate her though
sadly. I even got blocked when I told someone I don't like her kek.
No.13064
>>13063Twincest? Or Kou x Hanako?
No.13065
>>13033Right? I'd say there's plenty of female characters that I like on their own, and I simply dislike their het ship. But these hetties/yumes/whatever believe the only way for a female character to be happy is to become a tradwife for the mc, and they can't comprehend people seeing her as anything other than that or liking her other qualities. Pairing her up with another girl is no good either, because in that case you're just trying to get her "out of the way" and they don't believe it's possible to genuinely enjoy a ship between two girls while also liking the m/m ship.
>>13043Chiaki isn't a good example to use here, not only is her ship with Hinata the definition of hetslop, she's also really fucking boring, written with no flaws, made to be a perfect gamer waifu. The game also tries too hard to make you feel bad for her, because she's so nice and innocent and kind, and she soo doesn't deserve what happens to her. Maybe it's just me, but this kind of thing usually has the opposite effect on me and ends up making me dislike a character instead. But I'd feel this way towards her even if there wasn't a "rival" yaoi ship. If we're talking about danganronpa, then Kyoko is a better example of a female character that's not hated for being a part of a het ship as she's genuinely likeable and not too badly written.
No.13067
>>13065I think it's also funny when yumes/hetties get angry over a shipping a different het pairing, especially the ones who don't make up an oc. They get angry / uncomfortable over a het pairing involving the fmc and a younger male character in my fandom over the much more popular pairing with a older masculine man. Some will even moralfag and say it's wrong to ship them because the fmc has a motherly relationship to the younger male character kek.
No.13071
>>13064I also liked Kou/Hanako more than Kou/Mitsuba but it didn't make me hate Nene. Her design is top tier cute and I like her character too.
Genuinely hate Tsukasa and his whole character type though. Not enough to make me drop the manga but he's definitely a stain on it for me.
No.13077
>>13036They're always trying to use troon logic and it's either to stealthily make a bl ship into a hetero one, or because they think joseimuke properties need to be more "inclusive". Look at the Tsubakino from Windbreaker, Arashi from Enstars, Vil from Twisted Wonderland, and Kinosaki from Marriagetoxin.
>>13052These memes make sense when you realize they think indifference or "not writing enough fic of her with a male character" is "hatred". It's not enough to not bash her, it's hating her if you don't give her the man she wants.
No.13081
>>13071>>13075I like Tsukasa/Amane… I love twincest but I'd ship them even if they weren't related because Tsukasa is the cutest. I would take Kou/Hanako over Nene too. Disappointed yet again that even my dear fujosisters on fc like hetshit better. Not only do people love Nene now they hate Tsukasa too. I'm sad.
No.13082
>>13031The "you hate this female character, so you're a misogynist" will never not be stupid. Are you a misandrist for hating a male character? Do female characters written by men really count as female? Do these animu characters behave like actual people for you??
It's an "argument" and "debate" by and for retards or crazy people with a not-subtle agenda.
No.13084
>>13081You're not getting any reward for being a goldstar fujo kek
No.13085
>>13081I also like Tsukasa/Amane and don't care about Amane/Nene at all.
No.13087
>>13067That reminds me in reddit woketard how one hetship is hetslop while her hetship is wholesome, fujos in that fandom were chill and minding their own business and sursprisingly yumes there were chill, it's reddit hetsloppers & yuritards are dramatic and nearly caused ship war.
Wanna know the fandom, it's Record of Ragnarok, one of safe comfort zone for fujos but better not stumble to subreddit one, many hetsloppers were there.
No.13088
>>13082Those simps and wokes never able to distinguish reality and fiction
You can dislike characters regardless of gender without bringing sexism, sometimes I dislike some male characters because I simply don't like them, not because they're guys.
Same goes for female characters, nowadays you can get away hating, criticizing male characters, both well and badly written, people dgaf but when it comes to their 'Slay Queen Waifus' getting criticized, incels and femcels shit themselves and calling everyone misogynistic pricks.
No.13089
>>13081I don't see what would make someone hate Nene unless they really dislike her specific personality traits or hate big foreheads or something. I don't automatically hate a female character just for getting in the way of a ship. It takes more than that for me, usually the fans of the actual character hating on my ship or being obnoxious in some way.
Tsukasa is a love it or hate it type of character. He's the lolrandom psycho type of villain who 13 year old edgelords with BPD will overidentify with and sucks all the life out of the fandom with endless debates over whether he's an irredeemable sociopath or a poor misunderstood little meow meow. To me he's annoying and I don't like shota/shota or shota twincest 99% of the time. Also don't like sudden twin reveal plot twists, so yeah. I can appreciate the badtouch but that's about it. But I get it, if you like dark/toxic BL stories and wish that was the main ship/plot then you will probably not like the main mc for existing I guess.
No.13091
>>13088It's also funny how nobody remembers the biggest ship wars between het ships like the famous Rukia vs Orihime, Asuka vs Rei or more recently on much a small scale Kana vs Akane?
And it was most of the time just based on ships, they didn't need to write an essay on why they disliked the other character.
No.13092
>>13091Rukia v Orihime was so funny because I remember a common tag for Ichiruki being like "Ichigo remembers Rukia EXISTS". There was also Sakura v Hinata and Ginny v Hermione. I can't think of any "classic" m/m shipwars (although I can think of recent ones that cranked it up in ways hets of the past never did).
>Asuka vs Rei Having
Mari and Keisuke come in and nuke that was so funny I can't even be mad.
No.13095
>>13027I ended up caving and making a Twitter, kek. Although it does show me some nice art, I've ultimately been struggling a bit fine tuning my algorithm. A million cutesy pictures of my favourite anime boys but very little actual yaoi, and almost no dead dove content. Still, I'm happy with it.
As an oldhead tumblrfag, I'm still struggling a bit with the website etiquette. How often to like, how often to share, how often to follow— but honestly, I might just be overthinking it. Either way, it's still the closest thing I had to my ideal experience in years and I feel kind of dumb for putting it off for so long, lol
No.13096
>>13095the muted words feature is a huge appeal of twitter for me (seeing as how pixiv limits it) I follow a lot of the same artists on both pixiv and twitter. there’s a following tab too if you don’t want to deal with the algorithm
No.13097
In truth i'm a fujoshi and a misandrist in terfy way. I don't mind ftm, i mind mtf. I don't care about pronouns as long as it's a woman, female. I don't care about fetishization in yaoi. I think the notion that yaoi is misogynistic is only true because of internalized misogyny. I think radfems were the ones who started "yaoi is misogynistic" claim and it got popularized by yumes who wanted to feel superior (even though they also support misogynistic tropes and like to feel stereotypically feminine with their husbandos). I just don't care let women like what they like and be what they believe even if it's a little delulu. That makes me misandrist sex essentalist or gender abolitionist. Enough of that I just want anime boys to kiss like playing dollhouse
No.13098
If only official manga/anime allowed male lead to be openly gay/bi, his main rival is also his love interest, some males are bi and had badass gay harem
If Arcane, Chainsaw Man allowed to have badass lesbians, how about badass gays who viewers dgaf who he fucks but homophobic incels would hate it -_-
Thing I hate about men is shitting on yaoi, canon gay/bi male characters but jacked off to hot lesbians and female protagonists allowed to be bi or les
No.13100
>>13098My dream BL is just a really popular long-running shonen that ends with the ship I like being canon. Half for the validation, half for the tears. I've never, ever had a ship I was insane about be explicitly canon, not even the het or f/f ones.
No.13103
Being both a fujo and "terfy" is very weird. On one hand, most BL fans are very obnoxiously "woke" but on the other hand, radfems think yaoi is anti-woman propaganda.
I wish there were more places where women don't feel the need to constantly tone police each other to death. Oh no, I look at pictures of fictional men taking it up the butt AND I laugh at dumb trannies on the internet, I guess nobody from either camp wants to associate with me anymore. I don't spend time in male-dominated spaces but are they like this too? I like being in female spaces except when it comes to this need to treat certain subtypes of women as pariahs. Or maybe it works like this in every single social group and I'm just autistic.
No.13104
>>13098>>13100plot-heavy BL and fujobait like that just gets labeled as BL anyways and put in a non-shounen mag. when there is a fujobait or canon homo in a shounen magazine it still has a majority female audience. the specific magazine label doesn’t matter in my opinion because the content will be the same. (ex: kyo kara maoh has the typical isekai harem like a shounen but genderswapped so it of course gets put in a shoujo mag but the writing is still the same). Is the element of surprise important to you for shipping? like does the homo element being unexpected make it better for you? Would you rather the homo be a rugpull or built up like a typical romance? (which would earn it a plot-BL label anyways)
No.13105
>>13103>I don't spend time in male-dominated spaces but are they like this too?Nope, although it tends to be the inverse if anything where it's mostly seething at trannies even more so if it's a heavy female-only media (which means it has a bunch of yurifags or MtF trannies that use it to self-insert).
But that's the thing, moids don't need to constantly censor themselves. They can be unapologetically insulting and some people may say shit but not enough care.
Women care too much about fandom image, you can't even say retard without someone eventually bringing it up and ruining your reputation in one go. You made content of a ship I don't like and I want you to disappear? I'll mention how much of a fucking ableist chud girl you are that says the "hard R" that'll show you!
(But the worst part is that it does indeed work)
No.13108
>>13103>I don't spend time in male-dominated spaces but are they like this tooMoids don't care about virtue signalling or any of typical moralfaggotry you see in female spaces. Depending on who you associate with (i.e. non-culture war obsessed lolifags that are "cultured" on animanga), the conversations to be had over there are actually nice but it can never substitute the joy of sperging out over a ship with another fujo sadly.
I've also interacted with seemingly zero limit, edgy proshipfags but they always draw the line at hating on trannies. Shitting on homos, women, and even racial jokes are fine but if you dare say anything slightly negative about troons
and even cuntboy tbh you're literally Hitler to them. It's strange because you can mention being a frequent channer and they won't care (some even larp as imageboard users) but LC/CC are irredeemable to them because le terfs.
No.13109
Nonnas weren't kidding about the Project Hail Mary fandom. I see Japanese fujo artists drawing cute stuff but the Western fandom is so full of unbearable "aroace" and "queerplatonic" crap. I hope this is a safe space to talk about how much bullshit the current "aroace" movement is. A lot of it feels like people who are uncomfortable about sex and still want to write romantic interactions but just call it "queerplatonic" to not get called out.
I really don't care about Adrian though. I always hate whenever a story has a "bromance" bond and fandom keeps adding the canon partner I don't care about. I don't want a throuple, I want to ship the characters I spent most of the movie with. A relationship just being canon doesn't mean I care about it when a character is offscreen. It's bad enough people try the usual anti yaoi talking points about why would you ruin a platonic bond between "bros" and trying to make Adrian a "wife". But even if it was gay I still wouldn't care about Rocky/Adrian. I'm tired of being expected to care about a character who's mostly headcanon in my shipping. I just want to find the freaks.
No.13110
>>13109You lost me at Adrien.
I mute all accounts that try to push some anti-cis male shit onto Grace. But, I like Adrien for existing as she does. She gives context to relationships and how long one could thrive. However, people seem to be incapable of understanding relationships where someone's partner encourages breaks or seeing other people.
Adrien, as a long living alien with no appearance or personality to reference, can be anything. And I would think if she was able to accept the mission and what it meant- she can accept her mate having his human for however many years. It's a non-issue born from people with such a pitiful scope of relationship dynamics that don't adhere to what they think romance is meant to be.
I love Grace and Rocky, but, I also wish people would stop humanizing him and leave him as a freaky rock.
No.13112
>>13110>people seem to be incapable of understanding relationships where someone's partner encourages breaks or seeing other peopleIt’s not that they “don’t understand” it’s that they’re just not interested. you can like whatever you want but you shouldn’t act like open relationships and polyamory are “enlightened” or whatever.
No.13113
>>13110>stop humanizing himNta but this is where you lost me… Idk if they show it in the film but at the end of the book he and Grace can communicate with each other will full understanding of each other's grammar and Grace has adapted to Eridian culture and even thinks in their time and can "speak" Eridian (using an instrument). I don't like Adrian but my ideal future is where Grace has a pseudoromantic relationship (from a human POV) with Rocky and he continues being mates with Adrian. So is it technically infidelity? Yes but neither Rocky nor Adrian pick up on it and Grace is so attached to Rocky he doesn't tell him either. Also was it just me that saw Adrian as a guy? Ik they're all hermaphrodites but still.
No.13114
>>13103You always have us nonnie
No.13115
>>13113Yeah I took Adrian as a guy too. Its a guy name and its also a rock so I dont think it matters too much.
No.13116
>>13113I meant literal humanization version of him.
Also maybe I misremembered, but I thought Rocky called Adrian a she. But as
>>13115 claims, it's the name doing the lifting.
No.13117
>>13112>you shouldn’t act like open relationships and polyamory are “enlightened” or whatever.Where did I say that it was enlightened? These are alien rocks. I do not think their mate status conforms to human lifespans or habits. And aliens could have alien relationships. It's not poly to recognize your rock husband picked up some space freak and let him have his fun. If someone asks where Adrian is in a comment, just say "the mate rock is on holiday right now." The end. It is a non-issue for the simple fact that they do not need to conform to anything except hugs, kisses, and maybe figure out a way to use that mouth thing Rocky has.
No.13119
>>13111Ur into feathers nonna ?
No.13120
>>13097>I don't care about fetishization in yaoi. I think the notion that yaoi is misogynistic is only true because of internalized misogyny. I think radfems were the ones who started "yaoi is misogynistic" claim and it got popularized by yumes But girls wanting to read and indulge in male characters only (aka yaoi) is not misogynistic, it's straightness, or at very least attraction towards fictional males.
Moids who play games like kancolle or uma musume who never have male characters are misandrists?I don't think so.
This was a yume argument all along, because yumes can't get into romance without self inserting, so because they can't understand how looking at a romance that doesn't involve them works they blame everyone else (typical narcissistic tactic)
No.13122
>>13104>Is the element of surprise important to you for shipping? like does the homo element being unexpected make it better for you? Would you rather the homo be a rugpull or built up like a typical romance? (which would earn it a plot-BL label anyways)I thought about how to tl;dr what I really meant from my post and the closest I can get is using an example. I would want it to be like Naruto: billed as shonen, long-running, worldwide popularity, but around the end Sasuke and Naruto's turbulent relationship reaches its logical conclusion (they are in love with each other). Super popular BL ships from shonen get as popular as they do because they are extremely compelling to women (the gender that supposedly "understands" romance!) and it's irritating that a lot of ships I would consider well written romances never actually end that way.
Shonen BL is like seeing the ingredients for cherry pie(sasunaru) laid out on the counter, thinking "oh boy cherry pie, can't wait!" and then before it goes in the oven the cook dumps it in the trash and takes a fat steaming shit in the pie tin (Boruto). Then the dog you were playing chess with to pass the time calls checkmate.
No.13123
>>13122what do they even mean? it's just a roundabout way of talking. The thing is shounen is for young men, and most young men aren't gay, hence the rarity of gay couples.
No.13124
>>13123This, if you want canon gay, you have to go somewhere where it’s even on the menu.
No.13125
>>13122>Shonen BL is like seeing the ingredients for cherry pie(sasunaru) laid out on the counter, thinking "oh boy cherry pie, can't wait!" and then before it goes in the oven the cook dumps it in the trash and takes a fat steaming shit in the pie tin (Boruto).Kek Boruto is so bad that I would ignore it even as a hetshipper. I just pretend that Boruto is a bad ending and let the fic writers make Naruto into what it should have been (not that I'm necessarily asking for canon NSN). I seriously think of dj/ff as "DLC" for the original IP.
No.13126
The only shonen I know that has an endgame canon gay couple that involves the MC is Blue Flag, but it also literally was only confirmed in the final chapter where a several year timeskip happens that was like yeah I broke up with the girl I was with even though the whole story was making a big deal about us being together. There are very very vague hints about the MC reciprocating before that but apparently the mangaka was going to make them even more subtle and I'm like bro how??? That's more of a philosophical story anyway
No.13127
>>13124Canon homo alone isn't a sell to me. I want to read action manga with shit like ninjas and sorcerers and then I want my ship to kiss after 40+ volumes of dancing around each other. VNs and danmei kind of fill this gap but there are only so many of them that appeal to my non-BL wants in fiction. Like, I'm never watching the hockey show because I know those 2 dudes fuck on screen. My general tastes come first.
>>13125>I seriously think of dj/ff as "DLC" for the original IP.This is the compromise I live with. With popular shonen there will always be at least one god-tier fanfic I can treat as the actual ending or I can bake the pie myself. I admit I'm kind of "spoiled" because of this so if my posts come off as whiny I get it.
>>13126I read this knowing what the endgame was and kept on waiting for it to pick up
and am still kind of annoyed I had to read what was essentially a full run of a m/m/f love triangle that "ends" with m/f but no just kidding it's m/m!!! Insane! No.13129
>>13128holy shit venterra I haven't seen that in a long time.
The fact that KH is gay as fuck, without directly confirming anything is what makes it so good. I agree with anon that canon homo is not a sell. I don't want romance at al personally. I want an action story where romance is not a heavy focus and the feelings between two characters are explored beyond sex. Romance is a writing trap. But thinking of Terra going genuinely psycho over the idea of Ven getting hurt, knowing that they lived together as students and would die for one another- there's the draw.
Birth By Sleep was probably my gateway into non-fluff related ships because of Vanitas.
No.13134
>>13123whenever someone says they want “shonen BL” it’s just a roundabout way of saying they want more action BL (or fujobait)
No.13135
>>13134I feel like with BL, the plot is a sideshow to the romance, so I can definitely understand wanting something where the plot takes center stage and the romance is a side plot.
No.13137
>>13127I have my many issues with that series and that is one of them. I get obviously the gay guy doesn't want his friend to know which is why it's dealt with at the end but from the girl who had a crush on him saying it would be easier for her if she was a guy (forgetting gay people exist) and his friend beating the shit out of him for being gay, he is not having a good time at all LMAO. Don't even get me started on how the author would make characters act like the way fans/the audience would instead of people or like him making characters that would use the criticisms that he foresaw some fans using.
Essentially when the bald guy conveniently revealed he was molested by a man to explain his homophobia after his entire character being about him bothering a girl with his unrequited romantic feelings for her despite her saying she only wants to be friends. So now he suddenly cares about predatory behavior lmao. And then the author made the gay guy's other friend's gf & her friend say "isn't it convenient to say rn you were molested when you hurt your friend for being gay?" and have them be told that's horrible to say to make it seem fucked up for the reader to think that despite 100% being the case lmao. Don't even get me started on the female population of the school being fujos who want the FMC to get out of the way and for the two MCs to get together like what…? In a RURAL school lmao??? I'm glad it exists but there are some parts that make me mad. Don't even get me started on
that one female character ending up with a man. I get bisexual women exist but we see her have a long-string of COLLEGE AGED BFS THAT DON'T LAST while she's a highschooler and not one successful relationship with a woman like are you fr. The only copium is that her "husband" is FtM since apparently they're drawn without an Adam's apple unlike all the other male characters.>>13134For me it's not just action BL I just wish both characters in a pairing were fleshed out outside of the relationship and you don't have one who has a personality and then only exists to simp over the MC after they fall in love. This is my issue with danmei tbh, why is the shou allowed to have complexity but as soon as the seme falls in love it's either domesticated househusband or rapey warlord. Or sometimes both but again having little motivation outside of the MC. Only if it's some mutual bs like SasuNaru could I tolerate it. Even if shonens are MC-centered that lick his boots, other male characters are usually focused on the plot unless it's haremshit.
No.13138
>>13137>This is my issue with danmei tbh, why is the shou allowed to have complexity but as soon as the seme falls in love it's either domesticated househusband or rapey warlord. I don't think it's that widespread and I don't even read much danmei.
No.13139
>>13137>MC-centered that lick his boots>unless it's haremshitthat’s like half of all shounen though