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>>10865Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.13632
>>13630>FuGioWTF didn't know that was popular. Why would you ship Fugo with anybody besides Narancia? lol
Honestly don't get moralfagging over such small age gaps with high school aged characters, I think age gap doesn't matter period, but if you're going to throw a fuss at least make it over some dead dove.
No.13636
>>13633I suspect that it's because that generation of fans really lost a distinction between fandom and real life. All of their interactions were/are online, so suddenly a fictional relationship between a fake 15 year old and a fake 18 year old is just as exploitative as a real relationship between a 18 and 15 year old.
No.13638
>>13632Ikr? FugoNara has so much more going for it, but these literally no one else for moralfags to ship with Giorno in the main case. Also in the non-canon LN Giorno sends Fugo on a quest or something to have him prove his loyalty (?) so there's some stuff there but I've heard it's not really in character. And I agree, they should be drugging each other to complacency spy on each other, snitch, etc. They are mafia! Let them act like it.
>>13633Holy shit discourse over 15 & 18 y/os really is common kek I remember that too, tho atp OtaYuri has been accepted people just like to ignore the age gap or age them up. Sigh remnants of a better time…
>>13636Which I get if it was for something like JosuHan (no offense to any shippers here I'm just using it as an example) since it's a 16 y/o & 20 y/o, but 15 & 18 are both still high schoolers, even IRL it's not inherently horrible. I do agree they are very online I just don't understand the cognitive dissonance of them liking problematic ships but drawing the line at an 18 y/o being with anyone younger than them. DMMD pfps telling me I should kms for shipping GioMis and I'm just standing here like. Bro. I feel like a lot of it is groupthink where they just agree with what others say and "attack" so as to not draw attention to the shit they're doing. High school social dynamics recreates but 1000x worse
No.13642
I hate moralfags
No.13660
>>13636It's the inevitable trickle down of representation politics. That's also why they see ignoring a female character for yaoi as misogyny and "cucking me".
No.13661
>>13660as the other nona said, it's escapism and having no real life, plus a huge dose of narcissim which makes them want to self insert in their favorite media, and when they see no female character to self insert as they go nuts because they can't live throu it and they feel cucked out.
No.13663
>>13642Moralfag back at them. They're all performative so they are bound to have skeletons in the closet
No.13664
>>13663Yeah, but that requires knowing what's 'in' to cancel someone over, and it's simply not worth the headache to keep up with all that nonsense.
No.13665
I hate that we can't talk about how much less fujobait we get in anime and games now without someone trying to say there's so much if you get into some indie Japanese thing that will never be translated and that has five fans.
Even yuribait is more mainstream now. Nobody wants to pander to fujos. The BL visual novel industry is basically dead but we have to hear yumeschizos cry about invading fujos when they have way more games with a better budget. It's more mainstream to be a yume and they never stop shitting on fujos and bragging about how little we have. If a female oriented gacha exists, it panders to them. There's only one popular BL gacha and the best fujos can do in mainstream "omni" games is Hoyoverse, which can't do interesting yaoi because they can't do interesting anything. Fujos have taken the biggest hit with the mainstream slopification of all media. It's not profitable since you have incels hating it because they hate gay shit and they hate thinking that men are being objectified, yurifags see it as the enemy despite there being more and better yuri content than yaoi, and yumes hate it because they see it as NTR. Fujos can't win when people on all sides are against them.
No.13666
>>13665>Fujos have taken the biggest hit with the mainstream slopification of all media.I think this is the main issue. Maybe I'm tooting my own horn, but I feel like fujos tend to have slightly higher standards than the average viewer (I mean, Love Island is the most popular thing on TV right now, which speakd of the standard of most people, but I digress), so when everything is suddenly worse, and the average audience accepts everything being worse, the standard plummets. You want compelling relationships between
any characters? Nah, here's Standard Anime Man and a female character who looks twelve with giant boobs. They stand next to each other and thus are in love. It seems to be less about writing the characters to be interesting or compelling, and more about writing the characters to be pandering and compliant, particularly for gatchas.
Gatchas becoming so popular is also an issue, because they have to be written so bland and universally appealing that they can't have any interesting motivations or interactions, because then the paypigs might stop dumping money on it.
No.13667
>>13665>someone trying to say there's so much if you get into some indie Japanese thing that will never be translated and that has five fans.I was one of those lol, I gave up on replying though.
No.13668
>>13665Have you ever seen a meme for any otome game, other than Diabolik Lovers and Amnesia (because of how lolsworthy their anime were)? Me neither. Meanwhile BL games get memed to hell and back all the time, even when they don't have an anime adaptation. It should tell you all you need to know about their respective audiences. Do you really want to fangirl over stuff alongside such people?
No.13672
Saw someone make a photocard of a character and specify it's an "aroace" one and this has just solidified to me that aroace hcs are a round-about way of husbandoing but in a moralfag way.
>You can't ship my husba- I mean this relatable character to me a #aroace because he's not a faggo- I mean he's not attracted to anyone! He's just friends with everyone, now let me reblog 50 fanarts of this guy sweaty and oiled up.
No.13673
>>13672It definitely is and they like to think they are better than nasty fujos because they're not "sexualizing" the character too. They don't make it subtle either. I've also seen moids use this too to avoid making their fave a fag or to deter their fave from getting gay shipped with another male character by making the latter aroace
No.13674
>>13672Yeah, yumes who also project onto a character—the worst of both worlds.
No.13675
>>13673>I've also seen moids use this too to avoid making their fave a fag or to deter their fave from getting gay shipped with another male character by making the latter aroaceI haven't seen this specifically, I usually just see them insist the character is straight.
No.13676
>>13673>because they're not "sexualizing" the character tooWait you're so right… they're literally the kind of women who hate people who are openly yumes for being self-indulgent because they see "sexualization" as degrading men and they can love their blorbo for his mind because their appreciation is "intellectual", unless those horny vapid sluts.
>>13674Yeah this guy is unforch also getting the gender beam (both directions) so I can see that. I've said this before but he's the wacky smart guy with a heart of gold whose also pathetic and attractive in a scraggly way so that they don't feel "basic" or "vapid" for liking him and many TIFs cling onto males like that because looking like that is attainable.
>>13675Idk if this is the example anon was thinking of but this happens to Luffy (from One Piece) who the author has alluded he isn't really interested in romance, he only shows interest in a naked woman's body once and the author retconned it by saying he was copying another character's reaction, and he has a woman who gets naked just for him and doesn't give a single fuck lol. Because he's like that, guys don't really have an argument to stand on to argue he's straight unlike other dudes so they try and "wokely" tell you not to ship him with his crewmates bc you're erasing his sexuality meanwhile they're consuming LuNa or LuBoa hentai.
No.13678
>>13665There isn't exactly any discussion to be had when all you want to do is repeat yourself like a broken record and move the goalposts when someone does bring up current fujobait just because it isn't the most mainstream popular show of the moment. Was JJK obscure? Is Blue Lock obscure? Was Bravern obscure? Was Hanako Kun obscure? Was Karaoke Iko obscure?
I don't even disagree with the point that it feels like there is less intentional fujobait now, especially in games. But KnY was my main fujo fandom for years and I saw so many people complaining they couldn't see any fujobait in it, so there's obviously a subjective element to this. What one person finds extremely shippy may seem like nothing to another person. Then again, there's also a difference between that and intentionally manufactured/telegraphed fujobait, as it's pretty easy to tell the difference. I can always tell it the moment a mainstream shonen adds the obligatory pretty rival boy the editor probably asked for and they get one moment where you can feel the author saying 'okay, now ship them and give us money!' and frankly it has the opposite effect on me. Quality bait is something like Gintama's GinHiji teasing where they're aware of the fandom but it doesn't feel obligatory and insincere.
Anyway, the point is, it's just not true that there are/have been zero fujo shows airing both now and recently, and acting like the only ones that exist are just 'obscure' and untranslated is plain trolling. You seem like you just want to troll / falseflag endlessly about the same thing. Other nonnas should ignore it because it's always the same BS.
No.13679
>>13678>Was Bravern obscure?NTA, but yes. Mecha is always obscure outside of Japan, unless it's Gundam or Code Geass.
No.13680
>>13678Yeah that insincerity you mentioned is the worst and turns me off a show. It's part of the reason I avoid reverse harem style shows as well, the feeling of being actively pandered to is just off-putting. There is definitely a fine line to walk as I think a lot of sports shows contain intentional shipbait fanservice, but because of the setting it feels natural/earned so it's not as weird.
No.13681
>>13680>There is definitely a fine line to walk as I think a lot of sports shows contain intentional shipbait fanservice, but because of the setting it feels natural/earned so it's not as weird.I think Blue lock is a prime example of this. It's clearly written with the idea that it has a fujoshi fanbase but I think the bait doesn't take away from the characters. Reonagi is pushed pretty hard and some part of me feels the urge to be a contrarian cause it's a pretty vanilla 'they're already married' dynamic but it got more interesting when they were separated.
No.13682
>>13678>I saw so many people complaining they couldn't see any fujobait in it, so there's obviously a subjective element to thisThis has been me with every shonen I've read for the last decade until Kagurabachi finally broke the streak. I honest to god thought my fujogoggles were broken or I had somehow grown out of it.
No.13686
>ship has 50 fics
>half is in Chinese and untagged cuntboy
Yeah I'm reminded why I quit reading fics lmao, dire straits. Fuck it my imagination is better atp.
No.13687
>>13686Nonna start writing ASAP to combat the problem!
No.13688
>>13686Use Google Translate.
No.13689
>>13688Maybe the Chinese fic is also cuntboy, it happens.
I wrote one of the only fics in English for my rarepair and one day a Chinese fic popped up that had a very similar premise/story but ended up being cuntboy (magic transformation), was a sad moment. I can't say for sure they were inspired by me but it felt like it.
Mostly though, I was just disappointed they chickened out on the android-fucking.
No.13690
>>13688chinese women love cuntboy
before the western side of twitter made it practically mandatory, Chinese fujos were the only accounts I saw creating that
No.13691
>>13687I did decide to just because I felt bad for other fans of this ship. Thank you for the motivation nonny…
>>13688Maybe my phrasing was confusing, 3/4 of the fics were in Chinese and half were Chinese & untagged cuntboy. So I'd give a fic a chance and use a translation website and all of a sudden the guy's leaking slick and has labia. I mentioned that most were Chinese because at least I could mention to an English speaker (via annoyingly woke language) about the CB issue but I have no idea what the tagging etiquette is for CN fans.
>>13689I would be so offended, if you're going to use a similar idea at least make it better… wdym they made it *worse*. I'm so sorry nonny, I'm assuming you're a transformer's fan and it's crazy people are still applying normal human biology to robots, why not get freaky with it?
>>13690Huh, I didn't know that I always thought it was a western invention (in my head it's like the transition was trans hcs (tagged) → trans hcs (untagged) → CB and no mention of what's going on in the chest area (tagged) → tagged normal definition of CB → untagged CB)
No.13693
>>13691> I have no idea what the tagging etiquette is for CN fansWhen in Rome, I suppose. If they're posting on AO3, they should follow AO3 conventions, which (at least, it used to), involve tagging for CB. Although, tons of western authors don't tag for it now either.
No.13694
>>13686Is there a reason why cuntboy is so popular among Chinese artists? I see it more than actual peen on peen yaoi.
No.13695
>>13691>I'm assuming you're a transformer's fan and it's crazy people are still applying normal human biology to robots, why not get freaky with it?Surprising but no, different canon with a robot character. The weird part was how it wasn't explained. One paragraph he's an android and the next, he suddenly has skin, a human dick (but monster sized), a tongue a meter long, and he's also eight feet tall or some shit. (I have seen this eight feet tall description pop up in google translate from cnovels and I have no idea if it's literal or some kind of translator-ese of an idiom). Canonically he is not a realistic human bot and probably made out of wood or porcelain or some shit.
There was definitely supposed to be some kind of magic going on or some shit but there was no explanation at all lol, the dude just turns the uke's dick into a vag with the power of his mind. No, none of this has canon explanation. At least put effort into explaining your crazy plot convenience. When I'm writing porn I get hung up very easily on whether the position makes sense, let alone this shit.
>>13694Similar reason omegaverse is so popular, gender role issues and homophobia are x1000 compared to Japan. Female gender roles are also baked into relationships in a way they aren't elsewhere, e.x a married couple is always husband and wife regardless of gender. Feminization of uke characters seems to be a huge thing. Giving the couple the ability to have kids probably has something to do with it as well.
No.13696
>>13691NTA but as a TF fan, there is a push for ass pounding.
It's going slow as fuck because there's only like 6 people interested, but having pussy only for M/M for going on a decade now is a special kind of pain.
https://aftplugweek.tumblr.com/ No.13697
Been reading a BL where the characters keep talking about how uncontrollably horny they are but they never get hard no matter how flushed their faces are or the panting ahegao they're making when they hide behind a closed door. I keep expecting them to have a tent in the bed sheets or rush to the bathroom to deal with it, but even the one time the uke ran off and jerked himself to cool off there was a close up of his boxers with a completely flat front. I genuinely thought there'd be a surprise vagina he was scared of being seen, but no, they just weren't allowed to draw bulges at all? All the jerking and sex scenes conveniently have the dicks hidden and then there's jizz on the floor so I guess whatever they published to just didn't allow penis even if it was a vague lump. It's so jarring though, I'm not convinced they're horny when their body is doing fucking nothing. Their faces are covered in blush hatching but that's it. I want shapes under fabric dammit!! Parted legs as he stabilizes himself against the wall! Put some feeling in those loins! ~~If the uke is this horny he should press his crotch against the seme's body and force some pressure/friction!!!!! Wimp!!! Coward!!!!! Fake horn!!!!!!!!! No horn at all!!!!!!!!1one!~~
No.13698
>>13697Is this censorship, or just the female author not realizing what sort of physical reaction men would have?
No.13699
>>13697This sounds like most Chinese BL. As long as the dick isn't shown, they can get away with a lot when it comes to censorship.
No.13707
>>13702I hate ship portmanteaus and wish top/bottom with the slash didn't fall out of style. I honestly prefer the jp keysmash ones (bkdk, kbnz, etc) over portmanteaus.
>>13700I have started skipping fics with tag lists longer than the summary. It's snooty but I've realized "tagging" is a writing skill and I will not deign to read the works of somebody without it.
No.13708
>read another hidden trans fic that had ZERO tags related to PIV until I got to a part where it said "perky breasts and vulva"
FOR FUCKS SAKE
No.13712
>>13708I'm so sick of it, I'm going to start asking for them to tag it. Nothing will change if I don't call these people's BS out! Thankfully my ao3 account is not connected to my socmed. It's just etiquette that any kind of change to the canon facts about the character's source material should be tagged, and genitals, even if it's more """woke""" should be no different.
No.13713
>>13712You'll have to out crybully them, so I'd bet that claiming you're trans and it triggered you would be effective. Better if you claim you're mtf, too.
No.13719
>>13708>perky breastsKek if this character was binding they would be droopy. It's obvious when trans is being used just for porn because if they were being 'realistic' then PIV would be painful too due to effects of T. So it really is just stealth het, especially when they put so much effort into describing the tits and vag and how sexy and attractive they are and blah blah blah.
No.13720
>>13708i had this happen to me the other day. i feel you, nonna, it's so fucking disgusting.
No.13721
Every day My Reading Manga falls further away from the light of the pleroma and into the clutches of the demiurge. When they allowed furshit, the bara grew exponentially as did westoid art. Now, every single day there is a cuntboy doujin/original work being uploaded.
It's so fucking insidious and disgusting. I don't think I have ever seen a website fall so far from grace in recent times as MRM. Utterly disgusting. You just know that men and trannies of both flavors are the ones who run that website now.
No.13722
>>13721I am a transformers fan and while normally, I would empathize. Instead, I feel a bit of validation.
Now everyone can feel as bad as I do.
No.13723
>>13721It's incredibly disappointing that the mrm mods are picky about which doujinshis are allowed to be uploaded, but are lenient with the cuntboy shit and barafag patreon slop that shits up the site. What a disappointment, using hentai sites like hitomi and nhentai are more preferable for doujinshi than mrm at this point. I can only pray for an alternative BL exclusive doujinshi site by fujoshi for fujoshi to pop up soon
No.13724
>>13721I'm surprised they haven't been dcma'd by Image or DC comics yet given some of the stuff of theirs that has been posted on mrm.
No.13725
>>13721>>13723I dont care about the furshit generally, but it drives me nuts seeing the weirdest western fetish comics after they removed and purged a lot of the stuff in the shota and doujin tags. Why can't we all eat in peace?
>>13724I have to wonder where their servers are located, since they don't seem to fear DC or Marvel, but small Japanese publishers have bullied them in the past.
No.13726
>>13725>I dont care about the furshit generally,But most of the furshit is westoid and/or bara trash. Come on nonnie, it's not the cute/handsome Japanese furry your find in mythological BLs