No.4226
>>4225yeah, kinda weird.
but what would you/the party have done with his horns?throw them off the cliff to show all his supporters he's not clemar?there's an npc you can talk to at the beginning who questions his clemar heritage because he goes so far for his goals. No.4227
maybe if there was reason to believe louis' plan for his new world would've actually worked there would've been reason to pick it, but as is, there's no reason to pick it.
and then at the end there's even dialogue from rudolf about "oh, are you sure your world is better than louis' would've been?"
and it just seems dumb since the game gives the player no reason to think it would've worked and every reason to think will's world is the best choice even if still not perfect.
idk.
do any of you think louis' world would've worked? what are the upsides to his world?
No.4228
>>4223He uses "watashi" when speaking about himself here, but uses "warera" when he says "what did the world do to us?"
I think he pretty much means his kin, what has the world done to us
elda.
I delusionally sometimes think he's speaking about him and the King though but yeah warera is only used in a plural sense, so he's speaking about himself + something other
No.4229
>>4226>but what would you/the party have done with his horns?I think keeping them as a special item would've been funny
>>4227The game makes Louis's world a bit too exaggeratedly evil towards the end so it wouldn't work no matter what, but if you remove the
'turn everyone into humans' part (which I imagine rudolf definitely wouldn't have known) I think it would've played as a standard kingdom of beasts scenario, everyone fighting for dominance constantly that even Louis is not safe. Anyone could come kill him and they're welcome to try. I guess it's a world that exists whether there's people who deserve to live or not.
No.4230
>>4228yeah, i get the feeling
it's about himself and other eldabut your theory about the king could work too. i think it'd be interesting to explore more>>4229should've let will equip them kek
i just can't see anyone surviving on their own based on how louis couldn't even overcome his own anxiety. but louis wanted everyone to overcome their anxiety on their own.i also wonder if louis deep down knows no one would be able to survive his metrics. No.4231
if zorba was still left to die even after his humanification, does that mean louis didn't see it as zorba overcoming his anxiety how louis wanted?
louis says those who are strong and overcome melancholization would be protected, or maybe louis didn't even know what zorba did
No.4233
>>4231I have a feeling that Louis simply left Zorba to do as he wanted and whether he fought Will or not would be up to him. If he lived, good. If not, too bad.
Him fighting the party would prove his own strength, Louis can't be held responsible if somebody simply dies because somebody else was stronger than them.
>>4232Fuck I was about to tell you "We'll see tomorrow" but there's 2 days left for the next manga chapter which will probably still simply be focusing on Martira's introduction, so a nothingburger.
I think Will reacting so strongly over Grius in the Manga is so weird though because he genuinely only met him for a day
No.4234
>>4233>louis can't be held responsible if someone was strongeryeah, true
>will, griusi get where you're coming from but the
prince did know grius.maybe some kind of remnant of the prince's feelings even if will doesn't remember he's the prince technically. No.4237
>>4235I always thought it was mostly for aesthetic purposes,
a bit disappointed that Louis's skin is unblemished because I always had imagined him with scars beforehandI think it might be something about balance, since everything in
archdemon design has opposing elements, sun and moon, swords and daggers, "black" and "white" (represented through his skin at least). Good and Evil, just like Lucifer.
I've looked at the pattern on his model textures before and honestly no clue what it means either, it's likely just to look cool given that you can't fully see it normally most likely
No.4238
>>4237>balancethat's an interesting point.
but it makes me wonder what's important about balance in the context of louis' character.
>unblemishedis it?
we only see his skin in archdemon form or am i forgetting/missing something? No.4239
>>4238>we only see his skin in archdemon form or am i forgetting/missing something?No, it's only my thoughts. Because we do see him half naked in archdemon form it kind of killed off my thoughts of imagining him with scars on his body
No.4243
Nothing much happened this chapter again…but at least the next one should have Louis
No.4245
i honestly think louis would be aversed to sex/getting someone pregnant in general for the primary reason of not wanting to bring any more elda or mixed race people into the world.
he'd be the type to think it's an act of cruelty to bring more kids into the world because it's "broken."
No.4246
>>4245I really think that he would be the type to not have sex at all (it's irrelevant to his plans and he can't be bothered to care) plus I think he'd actually want to be responsible (if) he ever were to have children because they'd be subjected to discrimination and he doesn't have time for that.
People usually portray him as sex-crazed but he gives either completely uninterested vibes or
got molested vibes
No.4247
>>4246i don't get where people get the idea of him being obsessed with sex comes from.
but:
>spoilerwhat gives you this impression?
or is it a joke about
more? No.4248
>>4247More is
not entirely pure but he wouldn't do that to Louis. Count Guiabern, on the other hand….
what's a noble planning to do with an orphaned elda boy? No.4252
>>4248but louis
always presented himself as clemar outside the sanctumi don't think mr. guiabern would do anything to a "clemar" kidif louis never hid his elda race, i might agree with you though No.4253
>>4252I always wondered though, when exactly did he start doing it and how? Did he decide to get the horns as soon as he got out of the Sanctum? Did he kill someone for the horns? Did someone give them to him?
I can imagine that it's possible that maybe he had been seen as an elda at some point so he had to start wearing the horns to not arise suspicion, but while we know he's always been known as a clemar we don't know when did that happen exactly
No.4254
>>4247It's because Louis is hot and they want to see him fuck. It's really not much more complicated than that lol.
I also hc him as being
molested by Count Guiabern. I refuse to believe some random clemar noble brought him in out of the kindness of his heart, little Louis being "clemar" or not. We're given basically zero info on the circumstances surrounding it–but we DO know that more often than not, the nobility in this world aren't the best of people.Anyway, I can see Louis viewing sex as transactional as a result. I guess I'm of two minds here. I can see him being a virgin,
outside of whatever interaction he's had with Guiabern (Louis saving himself for More since childhood… RIP) OR he's been sleeping with others in a very sort of detached, non-pleasurable manner. His military genius speaks for itself but I could see others needing swaying in different ways.
>>4253This is one thing I've always wondered about as well. They look so much like a headband that I've never even considered them being "real" clemar horns, just an enchantment of some sort. But I REALLY like the idea of him killing someone for them immediately upon leaving the sanctum.
No.4255
>>4254Thank you for more water on my train concerning ZoRui.
I can see Zorba noticing how detached his idol is from physical affection, and as a result, turning him down and making him tea or something instead, if Louis attempted to 'sway' him, thus increasing his esteem in Louis' eyes.
Both HCs are very moe… The image of him
saving himself for More is sweet and heartbreaking, would he admit it to More, if the two got together? Or would he keep it to himself, and angst about it?Although Louis the emotionless slut is really, really hot, and suits his doll-like, pristine image very well. Imagine him being used like a toy for most guys, and the genuine confusion once he gets treated well.
No.4257
>>4256>can't have the One, sluts aroundI also really enjoy this trope, but somehow that makes me feel a bit bad for Zorba lol (being both a ruimoa and zorui is suffering). Though I suppose Zorba might not mind being used in that way, if it's for Louis.
(Speaking of, I am suddenly reminded of a popular western fic where Louis ends up with Strohl, but Zorba gets treated really poorly as a result… I did not vibe with it personally.)In any case, I don't feel Zorba and More are alike at all, unless those fans mean Louis does this based on physical attributes alone–both More and Zorba have long hair, a slender body type, and clemar horn(s). When sleeping with someone, it's really only the physical traits that matter anyway if you're just trying to pretend…
No.4258
>>4256>>4257agree on louis viewing bonds as give and take but i personally can't get behind all the sex stuff.
louis never mentions anything about sex ingame nor alludes to having had sex in any way.
i honestly think he's never had sex.
but it would be fitting if mr. or mrs. guiabern did something to louis (not necessarily sexual) but only for the angle of louis getting messed with by several people at that time for no real reason.
just pure random injustice.
No.4260
>>4253true we don't know when he started
presenting as clemari just assumed he got the horns in the sanctum though. could've been an elda artifact or maybe eldas had several headbands that make fake horns incase they ever wanted to travel outside the sanctum.but if he killed someone for the headband, wouldn't he have also had to know that person's horns were fake? or are you saying he killed an actual clemar and cut the horns off their body and embued them with magic and attached them to a headband to create his own set of fake horns? No.4261
i don't even think it's farfetched for there to be more "clemar" like louis who wear fake horns. elda could be all around, just wearing fake horns.
it's a point ingame that most people have never seen an elda, but what if they have and just don't know it? (besides the mc and louis).
No.4263
>>4258I get your point, but it isn't a game about romance or sex so it makes sense that it doesn't get brought up in any real way. Nearly all characters in-game avoid mentioning sex specifically, and no one would assume every single character is disinterested or nonsexual on that basis alone. We get some mentions of Strohl being expected marry and to have children, I guess, but I can't think of any other instances off the top of my head.
I will also counter this point–
>louis never mentions anything about sex ingameand say that Louis does mention More's "youthful years of debauchery" which to me has always just been him slut-shaming More for having sex with his own wife lol. Though of course he isn't talking about having sex himself.
>>4260After reading the other nonna's post, I was thinking he made them out of real clemar horns and infused them with magic. I really like the idea of little Louis going to such extremes…
No.4264
>>4263>louis slut shaminglol
but idk.
i still don't think louis would want to have sex with anyone
without first seeing if they survive the natural selection process
>hornsit really is up in the air.
maybe we'll get more info in the inevitable new content.
maybe
he killed one of the clemars who attacked his village for thembut idk.
it just kinda seemed like they
were made out of magla or something No.4269
>>4257Oh yeah, I remember this. I was actually enjoying that fic but I thought Louis
just simply killing Zorba out of nowhere because he was being 'annoying' was extremely ooc and I couldn't muster to finish the fic afterwards, even if I like Louistrohl conceptuallyI don't think they're similar either, I think most of the japanese posts regarding that are really for nsfw purposes since they want to have both ships but only really care for Zorba's side while More is forgotten….
>>4259I don't know if simply crashing a funeral counts as a crime
beyond the murder. But he already paid for it by
dying, so I guess that's how it is
No.4270
>>4269a guard said it was treason.
but yeah, he died anyway so that's his punishment.
louis killing zorba for being annoying sounds terrible.honestly i don't enjoy most fanfiction because everyone's usually really ooc. No.4272
>>4270I had also read another where Louis was happy that Zorba was gone because "he was sullying his memories of the Prince in the Sanctum with his presence" which was even worse.
All fanwork/fanfic is ooc by nature, it just depends how ooc some people are willing to go
No.4274
>>4272Not to make this a thread about Louis only, but since that's the direction we're going anyway, speaking of–
>memories of the prince in the sanctumI'd love to understand where people are coming from with this. Are they just being a bit more loose with the canon timeline (which, admittedly, does feel a bit murky)?
Still–before the sanctum burned, the prince had to have been a literal infant. Louis himself was described as only a child. Really, how many memorable interactions can you truly have with a baby less than one years old?
No.4275
>>4274All things inevitably lead to Louis, so it's only fair.
>Are they just being a bit more loose with the canon timelineIt's just straight up headcanon and wishful thinking. Shuouji childhood friends wasn't real
and people are cowards to not embrace selfcest so they force it on to Louis to make them have a connection from the get-go (as opposed to simply being enemies).
It's really not possible for Louis to have meaningfully had any connection towards the Prince not only because the Prince would've been a newborn at the time, but because the Queen doesn't really care about Louis either (she would've known if a blonde elda boy was near her infant after all).
Even if they could've met when the Prince was roaming in the palace, Louis never really mentions him nor does Will/Prince mention him either.
Also, Louis just like everyone else in the Kingdom, never saw the grown-up Prince, because everyone assumed he was dead. So people thinking that Louis somehow knows the Prince was alive all along (and draw him with the 18-year old Prince) are also all wrong too.
It's really just a headcanon that's straying too far into people believeing it to be canon, or wanting it to be canon because they can't imagine a Louis that hasn't cared about Will from the moment he was born. And I guess it adds that "romance" to it in the 'I fell in love with you ever since you were a toddler' but that's just creepy to me imo
No.4276
>>4275Also adding to this, we do have a way to gauge the timeline with Will's age alone and Rella's, and there are several places in the story where Louis doing (something) at a specific timeframe gets mentioned. Like joining the army "15 years ago" (so the Prince would be 3 years old then), Rella cursed the Prince at 12 and Louis got mistaken for Rella, said to "have his same build and stature" so he wouldn't have been any older than 12 himself at the time of the curse either.
No.4279
only reason i could see louis having an attachment to baby will is if he saw will as a symbol of the new world the king wanted to make.
>maybe since the king had a kid with an elda, the kingdom of euchronia will have to accept eldas!
No.4280
zorba listened in on the party at the sanctum and knew will fused with the prince.
he only leaves after gruidae is done explaining everything.
he could've heard what she said about louis likely being elda.
that could be how zorba knows that if he even does know.
No.4289
>>4280I feel like Zorba knew all along that Louis was an Elda. I also wondered if his horns somehow fell off when he "died" lol that also could've shown him that he's an Elda too
No.4291
>>4289>>4280I think Zorba knew the entire time as well. The phrasing in pic rel's scene, when they discuss the prince in the sanctum, always implied it to me–"against all odds, it seems that this place is… [the same place you came from, which we thought had been destroyed]." I dunno. I asked someone about the jp translation here for "against all odds," and it's just "surprisingly." Which also works, I guess.
I had also considered maybe Zorba's necromancy required knowing what tribe the person he's performing it on is from, if that makes sense. So, to successfully revive "dead" Louis, he'd need to know he was elda. That's just conjecture though.
I think I got this from fic lmao??? Cannot remember.I swear to god clicking spoiler image does not work for me half the time reee No.4292
>>4291i thought zorba's phrasing when they were discussing
the prince had to do with the prince/sanctum surviving.not necessarily louis.but
i do like the idea of zorba knowing louis is elda.zorba
also says a clemar couldn't understand his plight to strohl but tells will that since he's elda he must understand what being a lowly race is like. No.4329
>>4320what do you want to discuss?
i don't really have anything else to discuss.
No.4336
>>4333Peak design imo. His design in general feels very old school JRPG and this form
is obviously a nod to Lucifer/Helel… with the final form being clearly inspired by Dante's Satan. Louis is so beautiful in every way, I'm sorry ugh.
>i wonder who threw out the request to have him get naked.I've been wondering about stuff like this as well. Metaphor really has so many character designs and dynamics that feel geared towards women, some of which aren't really present in Persona. I just don't remember ever shipping so many different things before. I suppose with fantasy you can also do a bit more with unique designs… Anyway, I hope they keep up the fanservice in newer games.
No.4341
we can discuss more if you want but i'm not into shumoa.
what about more do you want to discuss?
No.4356
fandom are sleeping on more
i need to see him fuck and be fucked